- 06 Jun 2022 00:41
#15231962
No, it's better that the U.S. empire *de-imperialize*, if only a little.
The withdrawal was done without any 'transition', though, so it was *rushed*, without any concern for Afghanistan *civil society*:
And now:
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I'm not just *any* leftist, though -- I'll *take* government intervention, as from the U.S., if it happens to actually be *beneficial*, but that's rare, and the U.S. didn't do anything to help the *people*, particularly women, of Afghanistan.
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Solve *what* problem?
This *isn't* some fanciful, early 20th century 'Great Power' kind of drama and international friction -- note that the U.S. empire *left*, *abandoned* the country, and now a different entity, closer to it, is expressing interest.
You *do* have a Cold-War kind of mentality regarding the U.S. and China, don't you -- !
There's also the issue of ISIS factional control *around* the periphery of Kabul, but the Taliban says that it has that kind of thing under control.
Rancid wrote:
@ckaihatsu what are you saying? The US should have never left Afghanistan? They should have stayed?
No, it's better that the U.S. empire *de-imperialize*, if only a little.
The withdrawal was done without any 'transition', though, so it was *rushed*, without any concern for Afghanistan *civil society*:
Impact on civilians
The Taliban's advances alerted many Kabul residents. Some locals, especially women, were fearful for the restoration of Taliban rule and reported feeling betrayed and abandoned by the Ghani government and NATO allies; a minority of residents celebrated the Taliban advance.[45][68][69][70] Zarifa Ghafari, the former mayor of Maidan Shar who was working with the defence ministry in Kabul, told media that "There is no one to help me or my family. I'm just sitting with them and my husband. And they will come for people like me and kill me. I can't leave my family. And anyway, where would I go?"[71]
It was reported that sales of burqas (known as chadaree in Afghanistan) climbed in the days leading to the Taliban's arrival, with the price of one increasing from ؋200 to as much as ؋3,000 (approximately US$2.50 to $37.25), in fear that the Taliban would re-impose it as mandatory on women and would target women who refused.[72] One Kabul woman told The Guardian that female students had been evacuated from their university dormitories before the Taliban could reach them and that university-educated women across the city were hiding their diplomas.[73] Khalida Popal, former captain of the Afghanistan women's national football team, advised the women's national team players to burn their uniforms to avoid reprisals.[74] Shops in the city were noted to have begun painting over and removing advertisements featuring women, and public posters featuring women were vandalized.[75][76] Residents reported a large increase in food prices.[45] It was reported that a significant number of vendors in Kabul were attempting to liquidate their stocks in hopes of raising enough money to escape the country.[77]
Concerns were quickly raised about the thousands of refugees who had fled Taliban advances elsewhere in the country and now found themselves stuck in Kabul.[78] In the evening, the National Museum of Afghanistan posted a statement on Facebook stating "huge concern about safety of Museum's Artifacts and goods for Museum Employees".[79][80] World Health Organization mobile health teams in the city were placed on hold because of safety concerns, and the delivery of medical supplies via the airport was significantly impacted.[81]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Kabul_(2021)#Impact_on_civilians
And now:
Western nations have suspended most humanitarian aid to Afghanistan following the Taliban's takeover of the country in August 2021 and the World Bank and International Monetary Fund also halted payments.[234][235] In October 2021, more than half of Afghanistan's 39 million people faced an acute food shortage.[236] On 11 November 2021, the Human Rights Watch reported that Afghanistan was facing widespread famine due to an economic and banking crisis.[237]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan#21st_century
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Rancid wrote:
The US should have never left Afghanistan? They should have stayed?
Beren wrote:
They obviously shouldn't have stayed, but they'll have to return after they've dealt with the rest of the world. No one can remain intact from the ultimate betterment of the world!
Rancid wrote:
Of course, but @ckaihatsu seems to have a problem with the fact that it's a good thing the US left.
Beren wrote:
Afghanistan is a hard nut to crack for leftists. On the one hand US imperialism is bad by definition, on the other hand women should go to university everywhere.
I'm not just *any* leftist, though -- I'll *take* government intervention, as from the U.S., if it happens to actually be *beneficial*, but that's rare, and the U.S. didn't do anything to help the *people*, particularly women, of Afghanistan.
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Patrickov wrote:
Erm... actually I side with him this time.
"US leaving the place" already results in CCP is coming in and reap the profit at the expense of everyday Afghans.
Theoretically it would have been better if the US could strike some kind of cooperative relationship with the Taliban (ideal case is what South Korea or Japan is now), although I admit that the Taliban is keen to turn to CCP at its first opportunity, and to "solve" the problem I have something much more sinister in mind than ckaihatsu.
Solve *what* problem?
This *isn't* some fanciful, early 20th century 'Great Power' kind of drama and international friction -- note that the U.S. empire *left*, *abandoned* the country, and now a different entity, closer to it, is expressing interest.
You *do* have a Cold-War kind of mentality regarding the U.S. and China, don't you -- !
There's also the issue of ISIS factional control *around* the periphery of Kabul, but the Taliban says that it has that kind of thing under control.
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