“Prigozhin's cell phone was found at the site of the plane crash, but his corpse has not been identified,
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Sandzak wrote:@litwin the Wagnerovskis have to accept that Prygoshin broke the peace agreement by flying to Moscow and St. Petersburg, according the honour law of the horde
According to Flightradar24, the aircraft reached an altitude of 28,000 feet before falling. Many air-defense systems are incapable of hitting planes at this height. For example, the shot would have been virtually impossible for someone on the ground (such as Ukrainian special forces) using a man-portable air-defense system. In fact, any kind of short-range air-defense missile system likely could not have reached a target so high. At a minimum, this would have required a medium-range system (such as a Buk) that was also located near the target plane’s air path.
The powerful missiles launched by these systems with a greater range would likely have caused even more damage to the plane than is visible from eyewitness footage. For example, if a 70-kilogram warhead and its 7,000 submunitions hit an aircraft the size of the Embraer ERJ-135, the fuselage would not likely have fallen to the ground “in one piece.”
There is obvious political significance in determining whether it was a bomb or a missile that downed Prigozhin’s plane. If a surface-to-air missile was the cause, there will be no doubt that the Russian military is responsible for shooting down and killing the country’s most notorious mercenary leader. A bomb aboard the plane, on the other hand, allows for virtually any culprit (which, of course, does not exclude the Russian authorities).
litwin wrote:
ThirdTerm wrote:There was an explosion mid-flight, which could have been caused by a bomb on board. Or one of the engines attached to the wing had a mechanical failure and exploded. The videos show the plane is missing a wing. The aircraft reached an altitude of 28,000 feet and a man-portable air-defense system can be ruled out. A surface-to-air missile from a Buk would have caused much more damage. A bomb aboard the plane is more likely.
Potemkin wrote:You realise this is a joke, @litwin?
Unthinking Majority wrote:No it was just a plane accident. Russia has a lot of accidents among elite types like people randomly falling off balconies and accidently ingesting radioactive poisoning so their hair falls out. Russians are just clumsy as a people, except for Putin.
Politics_Observer wrote:@Unthinking Majority @Potemkin @Szabo
You know, I was just thinking the same thing! This is just PURELY a tragic accident.And as fate would have it, it just happened to be the plane that Prigozhin and his Wagner henchmen were on. It was just a totally, out of the blue accident. That's all it was! I imagine Putin found this purely coincidental accident, rather convenient for him. I mean, he wouldn't dream of orchestrating such a thing, would he?! I mean, accidents happen, can happen to anybody, right?
The truth about Prigozhin was that he was a killer and a higher level killer hired him to do his dirty work. Russia doesn't have the rule of law. Instead, Russia is ruled by a gangland code of unwritten rules. And Prigozhin broke one of the gangland rules which is if you are going to go take out your mafia boss, you better go all the way and not halfway like he did. Going halfway doesn't get the job done and it gets you killed by the killers you went to work for who hired you.
Szabo wrote:@Politics_Observer
Another enemy of Ukraine bites the dust, and that's a good thing. Let's not forget how many cities he had flattened in the Donbass. It's good for Ukrainian morale and bad for Russian morale, that a symbol, a leader of their aggression was killed by their own.
On another note, I do find it shocking just how careless he was, and after everything that had transpired, how could the entire leadership of Wagner gather in one place, a small airplane of all places to take a joyride across Russia as if nothing had happened. It's stupidity on a monumental scale. I guess that's what too much hookers and heroin does to you. In essence, they killed themselves.
Moreover, I don't understand why it had to come to this. Why did so much animosity develop between Wagner and the Russian Ministry of Defence in the first place?
Someone told me that Putin probably decided to shut Wagner down because Prigozhin had become too much of a loose cannon and a loud mouth, especially after frustrations due to the losses they had incurred, and if there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that a true Russian should be the silent and faithful little servant to his master Tsar all the days of his life.
I guess that makes sense.
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