MadMonk wrote:They are going to have to live with the fact of being neighbors with the Russians, that's a fact. Question is, are the Russians ready to live with the Ukrainians as neighbors now and in the future? Because Russian history has an overwhelming predisposition of trying to eradicate the Ukrainians cultural, spiritual and intellectual identity. This was the history of the Empire, the Soviets and now the Federation.
You would never accept this behavior from the Yankees over Puerto Ricans, as I'm sure they have done for centuries as well. The world is grey with no moral absolutes. The US government seized an opportunity much like the Soviets seized an opportunity when they encouraged Black American revolutionaries to sow discord in American society. That doesn't make the Ukrainians of today or Malcolm X being on the wrong side of history.
The solution in my opinion MadMonk is about being common sense about a lot of things. If you have ideas about the world that emphasizes conquest and imposition over security and working on very pressing local issues then you will be sowing discord in your environment.
You need always to prioritize human rights. For your native population first. For newcomers in need. The problem really is that many nations do not have the needed structures and resources to address the needs of their populations. Some of it is about environmental pollutions and degradations.
I live in Mexico. I love this city a lot. But, like most cities in Mexico the water here is contaminated. You can't just turn on a faucet and drink the potable water. It is too high in bacteria and in silt and impurities. It would hurt your kidneys over time. So you must buy water from ironically Coca-Cola or some other private company that sells the 30 gallon jugs for about $1.75 US dollars. You have to live with the possibility of an emergency in a hot and humid climate of being cut off from drinkable water. Why? The corporations get more power over a local resource, and they and the government do not INVEST in the necessary actions to make clean water for all a priority.
I can go on and on.
The other problem is jobs. Not enough high paying jobs. For the locals. Me? I am living the high life compared to them. My income is similar to a middle class income or lower middle class income in Denver. But I am in Mérida where the cost of living is way lower. I sold my duplex in Denver in 2019 and bought some property here.
I do not owe anything on it. Except the bank trust and the yearly property taxes.
So, I am not a typical working class Mexican Yucatecan. They find the prices too high and the salaries too low. They make about $1.75 cents an hour. If they are lucky they make about $3 dollars US an hour. It is not enough to cover expenses. Most people make end's meet here because they are long term local families who live in family owned homes for generations and no longer have mortgages or rents to pay. Instead they put up some microbusiness and make about enough for food, transportation, clothes, etc. and maybe save a little bit.
The wealthy are extremely wealthy and the poor are very poor. The middle classes are not enough to offset the poverty problems. So the poor are the ones pushing out to other areas. But Mexico has stabilized recently and more young people the costs and the benefits of immigrating to the USA and it is not all that attractive. So they stay put.
The ones running for the border in the USA are Venezuelans living with precariousness and chaos and lack of joba and services and affordable rents, food, etc. Inflation and all the ills of an unstable economy. The sanctions imposed by the USA has triggered that as well in Venezuela. Cuba also. Honduras which is capitalist based is also in chaos for US policies. And bad leadership too.
If you want to have people stay in their own nations and not immigrate and to stabilize nations? You have to have a non interference policy for neighboring nations. Not imperialism. Imperialism whether it is from Russia, the USA or any other nation is going to create problems over the long haul.
But? You have national interests. Countries that want that land because it is a port for their ships and a place for their military to defend the region that they want defending in a military geopolitical worldview. Like Puerto Rico is of interest to the US and Ukraine is to Russia.
We need to be satellite states for the fights for power and dominance between Russia and or PRC vs. EU and the USA. The USA wants to be the only superpower left standing in that fight. They see the PRC and Russia maybe wanting to get into the European strongholds and they want to make sure that both EU and Russia and PRC will not get that top spot that belongs to the USA only.
So why not blow up Nordstream and supply arms to Ukraine and bog it all down and drain that money and time and instability for years and years?
It might slow down that entire economy enough so that the US retains its positioning in the world? Russia is ambitious and Putin is a nationalist that wants power and to secure Russian interests. No matter what.
if you want to stabilize and make a better world you need to redo the entire premise of international political and economic relationships. It should not be about profit only and invasions and wars and threats and sanctions. Not in a contaminated world with decreasing fish, decreasing quality of food being grown, droughts, and shortages and supply chain shit that breaks down and is inefficient.
Got to rethink the entire system. Putting guns to nations' heads and forcing them to comply because the opposite political government or competitor might get more territory over you? Is for a bad and ugly outcome.
Raw power and hatreds caused by wars and occupations and seeing other nations as pawns in a game of shit? It inhumane and not worth it for the lives that are taken.
These power drunk assholes need to make peace ASAP. And concentrate on some heavy lifting in politics which is having high paying jobs, accessible and affordable and safe housing, clean water for their people, clean streets, recycling, stopping waste, creating coaltions of cooperation between nations so that everyone can STAY PUT in their native lands and not have to leave because some criminal gangs are running their streets, corrupt politicians are not getting anything of real value done, contaminated environments are getting people ill, and high prices and low wages are forcing people into caravans of desperation.
They need to educate people and stop spreading disinformation campaigns where the people living in poor nations are thinking erroneously that the USA or the EU and so on are a PARADISE, and their own nations are hopeless hellholes that have to be given up on forever.
All nations have a place in time, history and with effort and correct politics, economies and actions can improve drastically.
For me? I have studied all kinds of human societies and world histories for a long time. Empires and wars go hand and hand. It is about dominating and controlling without giving human rights or equal rights to anyone but the elite manipulating the need for these wars.
In order to stop it you have to do something very difficult. Confront the ones with bad policies and get them to never have any real power. Confront the ones driven incessantly by greed and profits only and who never prioritize human needs over anonymous irresponsibility by investing in corporations and then wiping their hands clean of any wrongdoing because they have the right to sue governments and upend governments who are not for sale and who refuse to betray their democracies in service for their corporate GREED.
Got to clean house. It is do or die time now. There are periods of human history that are pivotal and change the value systems of a society irrevocably. They leave the past values behind because they are dysfunctional.
Russia needs to give up on its old ambitions of control. But they want their Crimea port. They see NATO as an existential threat. They think they are fighting for their national interests. Ukraine wants to be independent. They have a lot of internal problems but they are really very poor Madmonk. I was surprised when I did a deep dive into Ukraine. They live and have lived with a lot of stark poverty. They work hard and are people of a lot of resiliency. But they are not living the good life either.
I think what needs to happen on a world stage is to have nations refuse to participate in this tug of war between the PRC vs USA and so on. Make another option. The option of nations refusing to be part of an imperialism gone wild partitioning of the world like a cake or a pie. This slice for your USA. This slice for me Russia. This slice for EU, and this slice for China. This slice....that is BULLSHIT.
Respect the sovereign rights of all people and all borders as they stand now. And work on serious economic decline, environmental decline and lack of basic needs all over the world destabilizing the entire planet.
There are enough fucking problems in all of our nations to keep the leadership busy solving water contamination, education, infrastructure, and so on human rights issues forever.
No need to be catering to an overblown ego and overweening and stupidly greedy elite who refuse to share with the little people....they always throughout human history cause internal collapse. In the end the ones who survive it all and continue on are the lower classes. The elites wind up having to die or be erased from power because all their ill gotten gains bites them in the ass either with a Marie Antoinette situation during the French Revolution or Russian Revolution or American Revolution, or Mexican Revolution and every revolution that happens when people are hungry, tired and have had it with the elite not dealing or solving PROBLEMS in their own society!