[paeng]

Private vs public is a rather fake division and these labels always seem incoherent when speaking about economic systems. If private means anything it just means not part of the governing body. Being a 'worker' would seem to preclude being some government official so how on earth could a person say workers are not private? These definitions just seem incoherent.

It's a fake division only if you live in la-la land.

Check articles of incorporation to find the owners.

Stop living in ignorant bliss.

[paeng]

For a state to declare that it is interested in the welfare of the han Chinese ethnicity necessarily implies that it is nationalist.

Based on what the words are supposed to mean, I think it should be immediately obvious that all economies are necessarily mixed. In fact it is so obvious that I don't see why the label 'mixed economy' exists at all...it is useless. No economy cannot be mixed. And so of course natsoc Germany was mixed. No economy was ever not mixed nor could it ever be conceivable otherwise.

Except that it isn't.

A mixed economy doesn't refer to race. LOL.

[FiveofSwords]

It's a fake division only if you live in la-la land.

Check articles of incorporation to find the owners.

Stop living in ignorant bliss.

You know technically the British empire did not conquer india. The east India tea company did.

[Dr House]

Empires are awesome so idk what FiveOfSwords is doing trying to criticize globalists for being imperialist

The problem with globalists is they're trying to invert the hierarchy

[FiveofSwords]

Except that it isn't.

A mixed economy doesn't refer to race. LOL.

Nobody suggested that a 'mixed economy' has anything to so with race. If that were the case then there would be plenty examples of economies that are not mixed. There simply could never be an economy where a state has zero influence and there could never be an economy where a state has 100% control. Pretty simple concept...right? Those two extreme endpoints are just weird abstractions that could never be achieved.

[FiveofSwords]

Empires are awesome so idk what FiveOfSwords is doing trying to criticize globalists for being imperialist

The problem with globalists is they're trying to invert the hierarchy

My claim was that if you are internationalist then you cannot be anti colonial. If...then. in this post I was not offering any critique of imperialism itself.

[Pants-of-dog]

And yet, history provides many examples of nationalist movements that also embrace some internationalist ideas.

[late]

You know technically the British empire did not conquer india. The east India tea company did.

The patronage quickly blossomed into direct investment by the crown.

So, sure, they had a private army. But the government was involved, the proof of which was when they dissolved the East India Tea Company when it ran into trouble. That was when the British Raj started.

[late]

And yet, history provides many examples of nationalist movements that also embrace some internationalist ideas.

Under the old empire system, trade was between members of that empire, for the most part.

We allow nearly everyone to trade with anyone, anywhere. There are exceptions, of course, but to use China as an example, they just changed their mind because there was no upside at all to pissing us off. International trade brings in foreign capital, which they need to avoid economic collapse.

[Deutschmania]

Hmm, are you a Holocaust denier? Yes or no?

You can keep dodging questions. It is no skin off of my nose.

@FiveofSwords , in his responses to me posted this .

Sorry, but I am aware that the Nuremberg trials were a farce and just meant to serve as propaganda to delegitimize any genuine socialist or nationalist sentiments. There was no physical evidence for any of it...just assertions from people who hated Germany. https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15311099#p15311099

The crazy stuff mentioned in the Nuremberg trials about the t4 program is quite unbelievable and there is zero physical evidence for it. Just outrageous claims from random people. We know for a fact that people made up a lot if stuff about Germany...people have ADMITTED it. The weirdest accounts of the 't4' program are without a doubt exactly the same sort of thing. https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15311236#p15311236

So I would say that clearly the answer to your question is yes .

[Tainari88]

@FiveofSwords , in his responses to me posted this .

So I would say that clearly the answer to your question is yes .

Let us say he really thinks his national socialist thoughts have some traction in the US of today.

Unify the White Race as one.

Then be the force for Revolution in the USA. Go after the liberals with tons of money, and media power and that control a lot of the Deep State that these groups talk about incessantly.

Do an organized attack against the capitalist liberals in the USA. Hard. I hope they all go after that goal. If they want to be men with big balls they go after the ones with tremendous amounts of resources. Down to the last man standing.

That will be White Genocide. But it will be the battle of the multicultural liberals with guns and money and power vs the National Socialists who want racial purity and unity in Race and so on....fight it out for supremacy. Hitler had to confront the powerful German Liberal Parliament in his day.

He had to take on the liberals and all the rest.

The problem is that too many of the Whites in the USA are brainwashed and love the Rainbow coalition of liberalism.

So? They need to come up with another strategy soon.

Donald Trump might be their last option for some fringe power.

They are hoping it might be their ticket to ride.

Little do they know....they are betting on someone who never had foundational principles.

But let them destroy themselves by believing in lies all day.

That is the way all of the world learns their lessons. Fantasies and Myth hit Reality and the Skids.

[FiveofSwords]

And yet, history provides many examples of nationalist movements that also embrace some internationalist ideas.

Well I don't know what you mean. Give an example?

[Deutschmania]

Let us say he really thinks his national socialist thoughts have some traction in the US of today.

Unify the White Race as one.

Then be the force for Revolution in the USA. Go after the liberals with tons of money, and media power and that control a lot of the Deep State that these groups talk about incessantly.

Do an organized attack against the capitalist liberals in the USA. Hard. I hope they all go after that goal. If they want to be men with big balls they go after the ones with tremendous amounts of resources. Down to the last man standing.

That will be White Genocide. But it will be the battle of the multicultural liberals with guns and money and power vs the National Socialists who want racial purity and unity in Race and so on....fight it out for supremacy. Hitler had to confront the powerful German Liberal Parliament in his day.

He had to take on the liberals and all the rest.

The problem is that too many of the Whites in the USA are brainwashed and love the Rainbow coalition of liberalism.

So? They need to come up with another strategy soon.

Donald Trump might be their last option for some fringe power.

They are hoping it might be their ticket to ride.

Little do they know....they are betting on someone who never had foundational principles.

But let them destroy themselves by believing in lies all day.

That is the way all of the world learns their lessons. Fantasies and Myth hit Reality and the Skids.

Not to mention that Trump is not altogether on their side either . Like , he has a daughter whom converted to Chabad Judaism , upon marrying her husband , Jared Kushner , whom is a Jew by birth even , and whom has spawned multiple children . So yeah , Trump now has Jewish family members . Oh , and also Trump's support base consists not only of Christian nationalists , but also Christian Zionists , whom believe that God favors the Jews over all other people . So really , neo-Nazis /white nationalists who fall in line behind Trump , are conversely comparable to some self purported Communists and/or left-wing populists who vote for Biden . It is not so much that they altogether support that candidate , but that they oppose the other major contender for the office of President . And if it wasn't for the existence of the Electoral College , and the lack of ballot access for minor party candidates , and independents , I expect that the situation could very well be different . We could very well have things be more like this first animated comedy sketch , in terms of political variation . However , as it is , there will be a number of people who'll settle for whom they view as the least objectionable of the major party choices , lest the dystopian future that they imagine might otherwise happen , worse case scenario , come into being , like in the second video .

[Tainari88]

Well I don't know what you mean. Give an example?

You do not know what he means because you have a hard time with the limited history that you have studied or been indoctrinated with.

Nationalism to internationalism has been explained. But since you refuse to read or listen to what is posted in those topics you fail to realize the reasons have been done already.

Why? Fear of debating with opponents. Weakling.

[Tainari88]

Not to mention that Trump is not altogether on their side either . Like , he has a daughter whom converted to Chabad Judaism , upon marrying her husband , Jared Kushner , whom is a Jew by birth even , and whom has spawned multiple children . So yeah , Trump now has Jewish family members . Oh , and also Trump's support base consists not only of Christian nationalists , but also Christian Zionists , whom believe that God favors the Jews over all other people . So really , neo-Nazis /white nationalists who fall in line behind Trump , are conversely comparable to some self purported Communists and/or left-wing populists who vote for Biden . It is not so much that they altogether support that candidate , but that they oppose the other major contender for the office of President . And if it wasn't for the existence of the Electoral College , and the lack of ballot access for minor party candidates , and independents , I expect that the situation could very well be different . We could very well have things be more like this first animated comedy sketch , in terms of political variation . However , as it is , there will be a number of people who'll settle for whom they view as the least objectionable of the major party choices , lest the dystopian future that they imagine might otherwise happen , worse case scenario , come into being , like in the second video .

Let them attack the establishment hard.

They will lose their property and rights to assemble in peace.

They will be censored hard. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. complained about being censored by the Biden campaign. So the National Socialists will have the full weight of the US government on their asses day and night with frame ups, lying and smearing campaigns, their houses, trucks and funds frozen or dried up, and their list of membership rolls bank accounts frozen until further notice.

They can try to hole up in some compound like other Right Wing groups have done in the past.

But it means a lot of work, loss of money and the liberals and establishment moderates are going to be authoritarian with them and be nasty to the bone with the national socialists.

They will pressure them hard.

They will have to go underground and do guerrilla warfare tactics. If they are good at the throw and run thing? They will be able to survive for a while.

But it will cost them. They still need the majority of the voting public and bored with politics majority to vote for their point of view of white genocide lies, and Holocaust did not exist shit, and also be willing to sacrifice for the group over individualistic interests. Most Americans on the cultural scale are the most individualistic thinkers on the planet. So the majority of their pool of possible growth candidates are diametrically opposed to their premise.

Germany after WWI had enormous amounts of average German citizens hurting financially, losses were real, being humiliated was real and losing control was REAL. Not fiction.

They need to recruit other white generic people and tell them that the liberal scene is not worth it.

Competing with conservatives who love Candace Owens and all the Black Tokens that the Republicans throw out there to fit in with the liberal narrative of all colors and races are accepted in the big Republican tent. The corporate Republicans who sell out to capitalists for dollars. Hardcore Christians who are far Right but accept racial mixing like McConnell who has a Chinese American spouse. All far Right as well.

The dividing in the purity and the unity is going to fail.

So where does this leave them?

Nowhere.

Politically it leaves them nowhere.

Meanwhile, the Saudi Arabians have seen the signals and they have paid Kushner 2 Billion dollars to make sure Saudi interests are attended to if Trumpy man wins the White House.

Are the Saudi White Nationalists with White Genocide screaming LIES? No. They are not. They are class consisous Muslims extraordinaire busting out deals with sellout fake politicians in the USA from both parties.

The Nazis are sunk. They are in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong slogans.

But they do not know that yet. I say they fight the good fight against the Liberal Hegemony of the US and get their asses kicked a good long while. Once they do? They can then try to move to another country that might fit their ideology better. Like some dumb people do thinking being an immigrant outsider in a nation that is not your native society is easy to do. They will soon find out how hard it is.

But the Kleenex box will be empty by then with all the whining and crying those men who never face reality or history with truth.

They have to experience their mistakes in the flesh and in a painful way.

[late]

@FiveofSwords , in his responses to me posted this .

So I would say that clearly the answer to your question is yes .

When I was a kid, I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood. We were Protestants, and there was a Jewish family next door. The parents survived the Holocaust...

It's different when you've known someone that was there. My Stepdad was one of the soldiers that liberated one of the death camps.

The army took pictures...

[FiveofSwords]

Let them attack the establishment hard.

They will lose their property and rights to assemble in peace.

They will be censored hard. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. complained about being censored by the Biden campaign. So the National Socialists will have the full weight of the US government on their asses day and night with frame ups, lying and smearing campaigns, their houses, trucks and funds frozen or dried up, and their list of membership rolls bank accounts frozen until further notice.

They can try to hole up in some compound like other Right Wing groups have done in the past.

But it means a lot of work, loss of money and the liberals and establishment moderates are going to be authoritarian with them and be nasty to the bone with the national socialists.

They will pressure them hard.

They will have to go underground and do guerrilla warfare tactics. If they are good at the throw and run thing? They will be able to survive for a while.

But it will cost them. They still need the majority of the voting public and bored with politics majority to vote for their point of view of white genocide lies, and Holocaust did not exist shit, and also be willing to sacrifice for the group over individualistic interests. Most Americans on the cultural scale are the most individualistic thinkers on the planet. So the majority of their pool of possible growth candidates are diametrically opposed to their premise.

Germany after WWI had enormous amounts of average German citizens hurting financially, losses were real, being humiliated was real and losing control was REAL. Not fiction.

They need to recruit other white generic people and tell them that the liberal scene is not worth it.

Competing with conservatives who love Candace Owens and all the Black Tokens that the Republicans throw out there to fit in with the liberal narrative of all colors and races are accepted in the big Republican tent. The corporate Republicans who sell out to capitalists for dollars. Hardcore Christians who are far Right but accept racial mixing like McConnell who has a Chinese American spouse. All far Right as well.

The dividing in the purity and the unity is going to fail.

So where does this leave them?

Nowhere.

Politically it leaves them nowhere.

Meanwhile, the Saudi Arabians have seen the signals and they have paid Kushner 2 Billion dollars to make sure Saudi interests are attended to if Trumpy man wins the White House.

Are the Saudi White Nationalists with White Genocide screaming LIES? No. They are not. They are class consisous Muslims extraordinaire busting out deals with sellout fake politicians in the USA from both parties.

The Nazis are sunk. They are in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong slogans.

But they do not know that yet. I say they fight the good fight against the Liberal Hegemony of the US and get their asses kicked a good long while. Once they do? They can then try to move to another country that might fit their ideology better. Like some dumb people do thinking being an immigrant outsider in a nation that is not your native society is easy to do. They will soon find out how hard it is.

But the Kleenex box will be empty by then with all the whining and crying those men who never face reality or history with truth.

They have to experience their mistakes in the flesh and in a painful way.

You are funny. The usa actually has regularly just thrown national socialists in prison for their political beliefs for a very long time. At least since the 1940's. This happens regardless of whether there is any violence. And since about the 1960s there really hasn't been any violent pro white organizations. You really do not have basic constitutional rights in the usa if you are pro white. This is a lesson many naive newcomers to the ideology have to learn. They think they live in a free country and they have basic rights and they are allowed to just peacefully assemble and speak what they believe without being arrested for it. They are wrong. Unfortunately many of them wind up serving long prison sentences in a state of confusion and all of their appeals to the '1st ammendment are futile. Just because the media doesn't report on something, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

It is worth pointing out that naturally this is exactly what you should expect if the 'conspiracies' they complain about were simply true. It would seem like the pro white people still just trying to work within the system still do not fully believe that the us government really is their enemy and really is trying to genocide white people globally. Since that is the case, there is no way you are going to be able to appeal to reason with them and negotiate for our survival. There is no way you are going to 'trick' them by forming some church worshipping asatru and appealing to religious rights. The us government simply doesn't care what is written in the constitution and if they did then they wouldn't be attempting a global genocide. They absolutely will throw you in prison or kill you for being too effective at resisting white genocide, which is their number one priority.

[Tainari88]

You are funny. The usa actually has regularly just thrown national socialists in prison for their political beliefs for a very long time. At least since the 1940's. This happens regardless of whether there is any violence. And since about the 1960s there really hasn't been any violent pro white organizations. You really do not have basic constitutional rights in the usa if you are pro white. This is a lesson many naive newcomers to the ideology have to learn. They think they live in a free country and they have basic rights and they are allowed to just peacefully assemble and speak what they believe without being arrested for it. They are wrong. Unfortunately many of them wind up serving long prison sentences in a state of confusion and all of their appeals to the '1st ammendment are futile. Just because the media doesn't report on something, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

It is worth pointing out that naturally this is exactly what you should expect if the 'conspiracies' they complain about were simply true. It would seem like the pro white people still just trying to work within the system still do not fully believe that the us government really is their enemy and really is trying to genocide white people globally. Since that is the case, there is no way you are going to be able to appeal to reason with them and negotiate for our survival. There is no way you are going to 'trick' them by forming some church worshipping asatru and appealing to religious rights. The us government simply doesn't care what is written in the constitution and if they did then they wouldn't be attempting a global genocide. They absolutely will throw you in prison or kill you for being too effective at resisting white genocide, which is their number one priority.

Finally, we are getting somewhere with you Mr. Sword.

The US government is run by people who do not share your ideology. That is for certain.

So what are you going to do about it?

Wake up the world with Holocaust denials and bullshit?

I have no illusions about the US government.

What you fail to realize is you are not their top number one priority of trying to wipe out the White generic race. Totally wrong on that.

Their number one priority is consolidating their power in the world. They are being challenged hard by the PRC and the EU. So what do they have to do to get rid of that challenge?

Putin is not a classic Communist atheist. He is a nationalist. Before sanctions by the West and after sanctions by the West. Russia is going to keep doing its authoritarian deal. Nationalist too. So in that they share some things with the Nazis in the USA.

It is not going to work out. The Russians during the Soviet era lost millions upon millions of Russians. Fighting Nazis. They hate your ideology with a passion rarely seen in any group. A lot of Ukrainians did embed there with Nazi thoughts. I have always thought trying to exterminate an entire political philosophy via violence is never going to work. You have to convince the majority of its functionality for all people in all nation-states. Divide and conquer only works for a time. Then it breaks down and another device is needed to make your elitist shit gain priority again over regular human beings' needs. That is the problem with liberalism by the way. They say they are for the common man and woman and they are not. They are elitist bourgeois people who are for sale and only care about capitalism and internationalism not to uplift the poor in every nation. But to only gain profits for their group. They have a hidden agenda. But they are POWERFUL as hell because their economics are the most effective of all so far.

They are using that to their advantage. The US government needs to bog down the Russians hard and the EU. Hopefully, isolate and slow down the PRC enough to stay in the Superpower seat as long as possible. So Putin will be smeared thoroughly and excuses will be found to continue with that war until further notice.

As long as the US troops do not have to stay in that nation for 20 years like they had to do in Afghanistan and wind up giving it up to the Taliban....all is well on the war front.

Meanwhile, back home, you are stuck with being targets of the FBI, ATF, and Homeland Security. You are fucked.

But you can keep thinking the White Generic people are going to bind together.

Even though the evidence says that it is not about race. It is about interests, class, economic and geopolitical positions. And it is internationalist.

Everyone has nationalist sentiments. In Nation States that is what they shape. What makes an economy work though is internationalism. Do you fail to understand that? You will be conquered quickly by the ones that do.

Meanwhile, the people in the USA are going to have to pay for the costs of all this propping up of the state of Israel, being negotiators with Muslims with Royal ties and access to petrol into the foreseeable future.

Their priorities are not some ragtag Nazi types out in the boonies of the USA.

They have other bigger fish to fry.

[FiveofSwords]

Finally, we are getting somewhere with you Mr. Sword.

The US government is run by people who do not share your ideology. That is for certain.

So what are you going to do about it?

Wake up the world with Holocaust denials and bullshit?

I have no illusions about the US government.

What you fail to realize is you are not their top number one priority of trying to wipe out the White generic race. Totally wrong on that.

Their number one priority is consolidating their power in the world. They are being challenged hard by the PRC and the EU. So what do they have to do to get rid of that challenge?

Putin is not a classic Communist atheist. He is a nationalist. Before sanctions by the West and after sanctions by the West. Russia is going to keep doing its authoritarian deal. Nationalist too. So in that they share some things with the Nazis in the USA.

It is not going to work out. The Russians during the Soviet era lost millions upon millions of Russians. Fighting Nazis. They hate your ideology with a passion rarely seen in any group. A lot of Ukrainians did embed there with Nazi thoughts. I have always thought trying to exterminate an entire political philosophy via violence is never going to work. You have to convince the majority of its functionality for all people in all nation-states. Divide and conquer only works for a time. Then it breaks down and another device is needed to make your elitist shit gain priority again over regular human beings' needs. That is the problem with liberalism by the way. They say they are for the common man and woman and they are not. They are elitist bourgeois people who are for sale and only care about capitalism and internationalism not to uplift the poor in every nation. But to only gain profits for their group. They have a hidden agenda. But they are POWERFUL as hell because their economics are the most effective of all so far.

They are using that to their advantage. The US government needs to bog down the Russians hard and the EU. Hopefully, isolate and slow down the PRC enough to stay in the Superpower seat as long as possible. So Putin will be smeared thoroughly and excuses will be found to continue with that war until further notice.

As long as the US troops do not have to stay in that nation for 20 years like they had to do in Afghanistan and wind up giving it up to the Taliban....all is well on the war front.

Meanwhile, back home, you are stuck with being targets of the FBI, ATF, and Homeland Security. You are fucked.

But you can keep thinking the White Generic people are going to bind together.

Even though the evidence says that it is not about race. It is about interests, class, economic and geopolitical positions. And it is internationalist.

Everyone has nationalist sentiments. In Nation States that is what they shape. What makes an economy work though is internationalism. Do you fail to understand that? You will be conquered quickly by the ones that do.

Meanwhile, the people in the USA are going to have to pay for the costs of all this propping up of the state of Israel, being negotiators with Muslims with Royal ties and access to petrol into the foreseeable future.

Their priorities are not some ragtag Nazi types out in the boonies of the USA.

They have other bigger fish to fry.

The us government is run by people who do not like my race. It has nothing to do with my ideology.

[ingliz]

@FiveofSwords

The US has not locked up neo-Nazis for their beliefs but their actions - Murder, conspiracy to murder, arson, stockpiling automatic weapons, dealing drugs, etc, etc.




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