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By litwin
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Skynet wrote:I am not Bosnian, I am Sandshakli, this is not the same ethnicity, but I think Bosnia would be better on if it would give land away to Serbia.

Yes, thats true. still, why do you think Ukr. ´d give up its territory ?

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written by the leading Muscovite front - line propagandist
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1800 ... _&ref_url=

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the only one out of 28 orcs to survive.
https://x.com/albafella1/status/1800202 ... _&ref_url=
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I got to laugh, apparently Putin has chosen his daughters as his successor so now they are going to be pushed in to public life. Which one is hard to tell for now but just :lol:

Monarchical Communism was wild enough, now we gonna get Feudal Kleptocratic Monarchy.

Make this guy proud:

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By litwin
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JohnRawls wrote:I got to laugh, apparently Putin has chosen his daughters as his successor so now they are going to be pushed in to public life. Which one is hard to tell for now but just :lol:

Monarchical Communism was wild enough, now we gonna get Feudal Kleptocratic Monarchy.

Make this guy proud:

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czar Putin has been promising Moscow empire that they have "decisive superiority", declaring "wins" as a result. Today even the most hardcore Moscow imperialists start questioning this line.

"Moscow empire will cease to exist in its current territorial, political and social forms."
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1800804050922779031
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Interesting video on why Macron wants to deploy French troops in Ukraine.



They're basically worried that if Ukrainian men are let out of Ukraine to receive training, they can apply for asylum. The Liberals basically want to use Ukraine as a slave state to fight their hate war against Putin. Its not just hate ideology, some of these liberals are bought and paid agents of National Socialist China, who are absolutely loving this war.

Anyway the liberals want to create to use Ukraine as a North Korean style militarist slave state to destroy Russia. In Ukraine, they'll be none of this nonsense about we don't know what a woman is, or race doesn't exist. No in Ukraine, a man is a man and its his duty to fight for his volk against the unter mensch, In the West our number one duty is to hunt down Nazis and police the population for the slightest hint that can be labelled as Nazism. In Ukraine on the other hand Nazism is to be positively encouraged, as long as they see Russians as sub humans. We see this with the recent lifting of the ban on supplying weapons to Ukrainian Nazi military formations.
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By litwin
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Rich wrote:Interesting video on why Macron wants to deploy French troops in Ukraine.



They're basically worried that if Ukrainian men are let out of Ukraine to receive training, they can apply for asylum. The Liberals basically want to use Ukraine as a slave state to fight their hate war against Putin. Its not just hate ideology, some of these liberals are bought and paid agents of National Socialist China, who are absolutely loving this war.

Anyway the liberals want to create to use Ukraine as a North Korean style militarist slave state to destroy Russia. In Ukraine, they'll be none of this nonsense about we don't know what a woman is, or race doesn't exist. No in Ukraine, a man is a man and its his duty to fight for his volk against the unter mensch, In the West our number one duty is to hunt down Nazis and police the population for the slightest hint that can be labelled as Nazism. In Ukraine on the other hand Nazism is to be positively encouraged, as long as they see Russians as sub humans. We see this with the recent lifting of the ban on supplying weapons to Ukrainian Nazi military formations.


a bunch of RT crap

back to reality ,

the horde has visually confirmed lost an equivalent of over 80% of its pre-war tanks in active service.

https://x.com/robbertt4321/status/1801231525029020060

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by the way,

“We call for turning the tragic page of history and gradually restoring relations with Ukraine & Europe.” :lol:
- czar putin

The only reason an autocracy (like Putin's #horde ) shows any interest in a ceasefire is when they know they're losing, and realize that time is not on their side.

The fact that a prominent Putin apologist amplifies the Kremlin's interest in a ceasefire in #Ukraine means they're not only losing, but losing badly.

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litwin wrote:back to reality ,

the horde has visually confirmed lost an equivalent of over 80% of its pre-war tanks in active service.

No you Liberals are not in reality. Russia is not a horde and is not remotely close to being a horde. Historically it was Russia that defeated the hordes that came from the south and the east. It was Russia that civilised the cossacks that occupied Ukraine.

Russia is the successor the inheritor of Kievian Rus not modern Ukraine. Another thing that a lot of you Liberals seem confused about is the Polish Soviet war. Despite what you Liberals may have heard from you Liberal news sources, Pilsudski was not fighting to create a Ukrainian state. In fact Pilsudski was fighting Ukrainian nationalists, he was fighting to wipe Ukraine off the map. It was Soviet successes, their advance westward that allowed them to create the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. For good or for bad Ukraine owes its existence to the Soviets. If the Soviets had been overthrown, its very unlikely that Russia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania would have allowed a Ukrainian national state to survive.
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By litwin
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Rich wrote:No you Liberals are not in reality. Russia is not a horde and is not remotely close to being a horde. Historically it was Russia that defeated the hordes that came from the south and the east. It was Russia that civilised the cossacks that occupied Ukraine.

Russia is the successor the inheritor of Kievian Rus not modern Ukraine. Another thing that a lot of you Liberals seem confused about is the Polish Soviet war. Despite what you Liberals may have heard from you Liberal news sources, Pilsudski was not fighting to create a Ukrainian state. In fact Pilsudski was fighting Ukrainian nationalists, he was fighting to wipe Ukraine off the map. It was Soviet successes, their advance westward that allowed them to create the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. For good or for bad Ukraine owes its existence to the Soviets. If the Soviets had been overthrown, its very unlikely that Russia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania would have allowed a Ukrainian national state to survive.

SO you are saying that your role Model Karl Marx was wrong ? :lol:

the terrible and abject school of Mongolian slavery that Muscovy was nursed and grew up

Muscovites are not Slavs or Indo-Germanic, but rather an invader on Eastern Europe.

The bloody mire of Mongolian slavery, not the rude glory of the Norman epoch, forms the cradle of Muscovy,

- Karl Marx

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By litwin
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Rich wrote:Interesting video on why Macron wants to deploy French troops in Ukraine.



They're basically worried that if Ukrainian men are let out of Ukraine to receive training, they can apply for asylum. The Liberals basically want to use Ukraine as a slave state to fight their hate war against Putin. Its not just hate ideology, some of these liberals are bought and paid agents of National Socialist China, who are absolutely loving this war.

Anyway the liberals want to create to use Ukraine as a North Korean style militarist slave state to destroy Russia. In Ukraine, they'll be none of this nonsense about we don't know what a woman is, or race doesn't exist. No in Ukraine, a man is a man and its his duty to fight for his volk against the unter mensch, In the West our number one duty is to hunt down Nazis and police the population for the slightest hint that can be labelled as Nazism. In Ukraine on the other hand Nazism is to be positively encouraged, as long as they see Russians as sub humans. We see this with the recent lifting of the ban on supplying weapons to Ukrainian Nazi military formations.

VIDEO: putin sends to the war the mentally sick Muscovites I "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" goes to Ukraine :lol:
When you watch them talk about 'legal and 'illegal' is absolutely hilarious :lol:

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By litwin
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Rich wrote:Interesting video on why Macron wants to deploy French troops in Ukraine.



They're basically worried that if Ukrainian men are let out of Ukraine to receive training, they can apply for asylum. The Liberals basically want to use Ukraine as a slave state to fight their hate war against Putin. Its not just hate ideology, some of these liberals are bought and paid agents of National Socialist China, who are absolutely loving this war.

Anyway the liberals want to create to use Ukraine as a North Korean style militarist slave state to destroy Russia. In Ukraine, they'll be none of this nonsense about we don't know what a woman is, or race doesn't exist. No in Ukraine, a man is a man and its his duty to fight for his volk against the unter mensch, In the West our number one duty is to hunt down Nazis and police the population for the slightest hint that can be labelled as Nazism. In Ukraine on the other hand Nazism is to be positively encouraged, as long as they see Russians as sub humans. We see this with the recent lifting of the ban on supplying weapons to Ukrainian Nazi military formations.


I heard, the encircled PUTIN´S soldiers demanded Ukraine to transfer Kyiv to them as a pre-condition to negotiations about Moscow's retreat from Vovchansk. is this information correct ?


https://x.com/sumlenny/status/1802037752512368934

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It seems a critical moment in the conflict just happened and past.

Putin made one last attempt to finish the conflict through negotiations.

He stated the official goals of the SMO, as they've been specified from the beginning (Ukraine returns to neutrality, demilitarization, denazification, protection for ethnic russians) and the already established losses of land (i.e. Crimea and the four oblasts).

These are the absolutely minimal demands those who paid attention would expect from Russia.

Unfortunately this was rejected by both Ukraine and the west and interpreted as a sign of weakness.

https://tass.com/world/1804049
"The new peace initiative of Vladimir Putin is the last chance to preserve the Ukrainian state. Ukraine at present with its illegitimate president, the regime adversary to the people, legal nihilism and the Nazi state ideology cannot be considered to be the state anymore," the politician said. "Vladimir Putin suggests returning the state to Ukrainians, making it neutral, sovereign, demilitarized and denazified," Medvedchuk said.
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By litwin
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Negotiator wrote:It seems a critical moment in the conflict just happened and past.

Putin made one last attempt to finish the conflict through negotiations.

He stated the official goals of the SMO, as they've been specified from the beginning (Ukraine returns to neutrality, demilitarization, denazification, protection for ethnic russians) and the already established losses of land (i.e. Crimea and the four oblasts).

These are the absolutely minimal demands those who paid attention would expect from Russia.

Unfortunately this was rejected by both Ukraine and the west and interpreted as a sign of weakness.

https://tass.com/world/1804049

I heard, the encircled PIG-DOGS demanded Ukraine to transfer Kyiv to them as a pre-condition to negotiations about Moscow's retreat from Vovchansk. is this information correct ?

:lol:
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It turns out that it was Lord Rothschild who was the real owner of Russia's oil after drunk Yeltsin sold everything at rock-bottom prices to bankster-appointed oligarchs, and it is the Rothschild clan who might be behind the WW3 provocation of Russia because Putin re-nationalized this oil entity:

Israel Shamir wrote:...in a recent interview, Mr Ch revealed to a young reporter that the real owner of Lukoil was the late Lord Rothschild...


...Like locusts attacking a tree, each Jewish oligarch took over a different branch: Mr Berezovsky went after the auto industry, and Russia stopped producing cars; Mr Gusinsky seized television, and turned it into offensive propaganda; Mr Chubais managed the world’s largest transfer of wealth since 1917. Mr Chodorkovsky took over all of Russia’s oil and gas. Everywhere they stole all they could steal, built yachts and palaces, mocking ordinary Russians by their conspicuous consumption.

Their official rule ended sometime after 2005 when Mr Berezovsky convinced Yeltsin to pass his reign over to young Mr Putin, and then Mr Putin told the oligarchs to stay away from the state or else. Mr Ch laughed and said he will get rid of Putin. Putin put him into jail and nationalised the oligarch’s mammoth Lukoil oil company. Ten years later, Mr Ch was allowed to leave and so he did. Russian oil is still in the hands of the Russian state, and it still remains the basis of Russian prosperity...


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It was the Rothschilds' money that created Israel, so it might very well be this Big Pile of MoneyTM that is behind the seeding of wars around Russia and its oilfields (that look a lot like the oilfields around Israel).
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By litwin
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QatzelOk wrote:It turns out that it was Lord Rothschild who was the real owner of Russia's oil after drunk Yeltsin sold everything at rock-bottom prices to bankster-appointed oligarchs, and it is the Rothschild clan who might be behind the WW3 provocation of Russia because Putin re-nationalized this oil entity:





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It was the Rothschilds' money that created Israel, so it might very well be this Big Pile of MoneyTM that is behind the seeding of wars around Russia and its oilfields (that look a lot like the oilfields around Israel).

HAVE JEWS FORCED Muscovite pig-dogs rape and kill Ukrainians in Bucha ?

By Rugoz
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"The new peace initiative of Vladimir Putin is the last chance to preserve the Ukrainian state. Ukraine at present with its illegitimate president, the regime adversary to the people, legal nihilism and the Nazi state ideology cannot be considered to be the state anymore," the politician said. "Vladimir Putin suggests returning the state to Ukrainians, making it neutral, sovereign, demilitarized and denazified," Medvedchuk said.


:lol:

Medvedchuk, one of Putin's many puppet oligarchs. He got the Nazi rhetoric down.

I suggest returning the Russian state to Russians, starting with organizing free and fair elections, which, unlike Ukraine, Russia hasn't had in more than a decade, or in fact never. Also, Russia must be demilitarized, since clearly it is an aggressor that has invaded its neighbors repeatedly, unlike Ukraine, which has done nothing of the sort.
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Negotiator wrote:It seems a critical moment in the conflict just happened and past.

Putin made one last attempt to finish the conflict through negotiations.

He stated the official goals of the SMO, as they've been specified from the beginning (Ukraine returns to neutrality, demilitarization, denazification, protection for ethnic russians) and the already established losses of land (i.e. Crimea and the four oblasts).

These are the absolutely minimal demands those who paid attention would expect from Russia.

Unfortunately this was rejected by both Ukraine and the west and interpreted as a sign of weakness.

https://tass.com/world/1804049



Putins peace plan is toilet paper and everyone is laughing at it. Who presents a peace plan that is a surrender initiative for the opposing side while you are loosing the attrition war. The desperation is clear. It is funny how even the cautious ones are laughing at it also.
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Found the TASS article about Russias demands.

It actually includes lifting of all western sanctions, too.

https://tass.com/politics/1803657

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"Today we are making another concrete, real peace proposal [to Kiev]," he said.

Putin went on to list Russia’s terms for a settlement. "As soon as Kiev agrees to these conditions, agrees to completely withdraw its troops from the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions and actually launches this process, we are ready to start negotiations without delay. I repeat, our principled position is as follows: the neutral, non-aligned, non-nuclear status of Ukraine, its demilitarization and denazification. What’s more, these parameters were generally agreed upon by everyone back during the Istanbul talks in 2022. Everything was clear regarding demilitarization, everything was spelled out, including the number of tanks, and everything was agreed upon. Of course, the rights and freedoms of Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine must be fully ensured, the new territorial realities and the status of Crimea, Sevastopol, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions as Russian constituencies must be recognized. In the future, all these basic, principled provisions should be recorded in terms of fundamental international agreements," he said.

All Western sanctions imposed on Russia should also be abolished. "Of course, this also means the lifting of all Western sanctions against Russia," the president said.

Putin emphasized that Russia's plan would mean ending the conflict once and for all, not freezing it. "The essence of our proposal is not some kind of temporary truce or suspension of fire, as the West wants, in order to restore losses, rearm the Kiev regime, and prepare it for a new offensive. I repeat, we are not talking about freezing the conflict, but about bringing it to an end," the president said.

The Russian leader added that if Kiev and Western countries once again refuse Russia's offer, the settlement conditions will become stricter. "If Kiev and Western capitals refuse it, as before, then, after all, this is their business, their political and moral responsibility to continue the bloodshed. Obviously, the realities on the ground, on the line of engagement will continue to change, and not in favor of the Kiev regime. The conditions for the start of negotiations will change," he clarified.


Of course russian hardliners like Medvedev (leader of the most important russian party, the conservatives, who consider themselves aligned with Putin, even if the later isnt member of any party) want to simply absorb Ukraine completely and I wouldnt be surprised if thats the end result of the conflict, especially if western wishes actually come true and Putin is replaced.

Always be careful what you wish for.

P.s.: Funny, Wikipedia claims that Medvedev is actually "more liberal" than Putin: :eek: :eek: :eek:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Medvedev

:eek:

:roll:

:lol:

Yeah, no:

https://tass.com/politics/1802737
https://tass.com/politics/1799383
https://tass.com/politics/1796377
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JohnRawls wrote:Putins peace plan is toilet paper [...]


So is the US declaration of independence, the bible and anything else ever written on paper.

Unless people actually care.

As they say in german, paper is patient. Infinitely patient, actually.

Our elites here in Germany for example clearly disrespect parts of our constitution, such as freedom of speech.

Russia cant finally have peace at their western border unless the west actually respects Russia, and any treaty with Russia has actual meaning to people in the west, and is not an option to be dropped for whatever new scheme they come up with to finally get rid of Russia.

As things stand, our elites just dont respect Russia. They lie to Russia at every chance they get, and they try to trick Russia every chance they get. And they cant admit that all their scheming has failed.

Frankly I'm not even sure that the west will start respecting Russia if Russia actually just takes all of Ukraine back.

I mean the people in the EU clearly want peace, thats what the last european parliament elections have clearly shown.

And the people in the USA clearly dont want to get further involved in that stupid country far away that means absolutely nothing to them.

Thus no, there was indeed no chance that the fools that lead us will take this offer. As you just said it, its "toilet paper" to them (and you). But to the global majority which actually looks to Russia and China for help out of their misery it is important to see that Russia keeps trying to get peace, even if they predictably fail again and again.

The reaction to Russias peace proposal again proves to anyone with a brain who are the bad guys in this conflict.
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Putin's problem is that any serious peace proposal will be seized by the liberal idiots to say "nah, nah, nah, nah! Putin know he's a loser". Even this offer which must be considered pretty hard by any standards has been used by the most extreme liberal idiots to claim victory. This is exactly what II predicted a long time back. I long time back I said just this, Putin can't make a serious peace offer because the Liberal idiots will use it as evidence of victory.

Putin's peace plan though is actually a reasonable one compared with Zelensky's. Ukraine has been losing ground for 7 months now. Yes its a very slow Russian advance, but still Ukraine has been losing ground steadily for seven months. In fact the Ukrainians have failed to capture a settlement of any significance since November 2022. Yet Zelensky demands that Russia withdraw from all 2013 Ukrainian territory, before negotiations can even start. What kind of pathetic fantasy world is this demented narcissist living in? I'm not going to compare Zelensky to Hitler because that would be an insult to Hitler's memory. Even Hitler never made such unrealistic demands. Even Hitler was never so out of touch with reality as Zelensky appears to be.
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Negotiator wrote:So is the US declaration of independence, the bible and anything else ever written on paper.

Unless people actually care.

As they say in german, paper is patient. Infinitely patient, actually.

Our elites here in Germany for example clearly disrespect parts of our constitution, such as freedom of speech.

Russia cant finally have peace at their western border unless the west actually respects Russia, and any treaty with Russia has actual meaning to people in the west, and is not an option to be dropped for whatever new scheme they come up with to finally get rid of Russia.

As things stand, our elites just dont respect Russia. They lie to Russia at every chance they get, and they try to trick Russia every chance they get. And they cant admit that all their scheming has failed.

Frankly I'm not even sure that the west will start respecting Russia if Russia actually just takes all of Ukraine back.

I mean the people in the EU clearly want peace, thats what the last european parliament elections have clearly shown.

And the people in the USA clearly dont want to get further involved in that stupid country far away that means absolutely nothing to them.

Thus no, there was indeed no chance that the fools that lead us will take this offer. As you just said it, its "toilet paper" to them (and you). But to the global majority which actually looks to Russia and China for help out of their misery it is important to see that Russia keeps trying to get peace, even if they predictably fail again and again.

The reaction to Russias peace proposal again proves to anyone with a brain who are the bad guys in this conflict.


Yeah may be in your Russian mind. Laws are enforced etc and Putins proposition is unenforceable on top of being a joke in the eyes of around 100 leaders. While the others mostly don't care. But its nice to see that he at least removed Ukranian army de-militrization and ability to veto aid to Ukraine from his Istambul bullshit.
By Rugoz
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Rich wrote:Putin's problem is that any serious peace proposal will be seized by the liberal idiots to say "nah, nah, nah, nah! Putin know he's a loser". Even this offer which must be considered pretty hard by any standards has been used by the most extreme liberal idiots to claim victory. This is exactly what II predicted a long time back. I long time back I said just this, Putin can't make a serious peace offer because the Liberal idiots will use it as evidence of victory.


The "peace offer" was not "hard" nor was it an offer, it was simply Putin trolling, to distract from the peace summit:

Putin went on to list Russia’s terms for a settlement. "As soon as Kiev agrees to these conditions, agrees to completely withdraw its troops from the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions and actually launches this process, we are ready to start negotiations without delay.


Even if Ukraine were on the brink of losing, which it is not, it would be plain retarded to withdraw from anything until an agreement is made.
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