[Agent Steel]

I was already 21 years old when my father passed, meaning I didn't lack a father figure in my upbringing, and did not need a father after being all grown up. Naturally I went through a period of grieving, but I handled it quite well and was not traumatized by it.

I've been through so much pain in my life that perhaps when tragedy befalls, I can get through it alright. The sheer hell of other life experiences far surpassed the death of my father.

[MadMonk]

I was already 21 years old when my father passed, meaning I didn't lack a father figure in my upbringing, and did not need a father after being all grown up. Naturally I went through a period of grieving, but I handled it quite well and was not traumatized by it.

I've been through so much pain in my life that perhaps when tragedy befalls, I can get through it alright. The sheer hell of other life experiences far surpassed the death of my father.

[Rancid]

The sheer hell of other life experiences far surpassed the death of my father.

Then perhaps it's those other traumas. I don't think we here at pofo are equip or qualified to delve into your life in that way. However, I still think that there is something deeper that isn't getting addressed.

I'm going to apologize and say sorry for calling you a boy. That is not to say I think your way of thinking is right or good. That is just to say, I'm not sure what you are going through or have gone through to send you down this path. I'm just going to back off with the ridicule.

[Agent Steel]

@Rancid

Well then, let me also be a gentlemen and apologize for the way I so harshly replied to your original comments.

I understand why you would dislike and be opposed to Andrew Tate, for this was also my first impression of the man.

But after I watched his extended interview with Piers Morgan, I gained a newfound respect for him.

Many of the points the mainstream media have made against him have been based on very small soundbites taken out of the context of hour long podcasts.

When you actually get the chance to sit down and speak with Andrew Tate face to face, I don't think you will find that he is a misogynist or an unreasonable man.

I was originally pissed at him for his comments about mental illness, but after hearing him clarify his position, I'm no longer pissed at him so much as I am pissed at the media for falsely reporting his position.

The problem as I see it is the age we live in. We're so accustomed to men acting like sissies that when a normal, masculine man like Tate comes along, our society freaks out and sees him as the devil. He's just a regular guy like you or me.

[Unthinking Majority]

I just had sex with Andrew Tate. He's definitely gay (he raped me).

[Rich]

To my mind Andrew Tate shows clear signs of psychopathy. So while he has done a great job of building a business empire and cult following, he lacks the restraint to know when to rein in it and hence may well lose everything. I see no reason to defend him. He strikes me as completely amoral. Yes he has shown strength, perseverence and bravery, but their are a myriad of other men and indeed women that we can look to for inspiration. We have zero need of Andrew Tate as a role model.

So one might ask,if he's so bad why do the Liberals have to keep making up lies about him. That's because most of them, at least in the media and amongst opinion formers are pathological liars who rarely speak truth when a lie will suffice. The key point I want to reiterate though is that Andrew Tate only became the phenomenon that he is because he has so many female enablers. He would never have achieved the cult status he has, on male adulation alone.

[Agent Steel]

I have never looked up to Andrew Tate as any sort of role model. I would agree that to do so is very simp-like behavior, but then again, I think you could argue that any form of hero worship, including your religious beliefs, whether it's Christianity or Islam, is also a form of simping. I should think that a true alpha male does not require any savior at all.

I have respect for Tate simply on the basis that he is an accomplished fighter. That in itself is a hugely significant factor in what makes a man morally upstanding in my view. He has earned his right to voice misogynistic beliefs because he backs up those beliefs with ACTION. Anyone who steps into a combat situation deserves respect for bravery.

[Pants-of-dog]

By that logic, a man assaulting women in order to rape them is just as manly as the man who stands up to defend women from rapists.

[Rich]

By that logic, a man assaulting women in order to rape them is just as manly as the man who stands up to defend women from rapists.

I think they can both be expressions of manliness. There was a BBC article the other day about a woman dying after being set light to by a (possibly ex) boy friend. Some idiot in the article, described it as a cowardly act. Dousing someone with petrol and setting light to them is a brave act, demonstrated in this case by the significant burns the perpetrator suffered, Was it a wise act? Not really? Was it a good act? No. Should it be punished. Most certainly, but it wasn't cowardly.

Manliness is actually a rare quality that translates across time and cultural space. However the ends to which society exploits mens need to feel manly can be very different even opposite.

[Potemkin]

I think they can both be expressions of manliness. There was a BBC article the other day about a woman dying after being set light to by a (possibly ex) boy friend. Some idiot in the article, described it as a cowardly act. Dousing someone with petrol and setting light to them is a brave act, demonstrated in this case by the significant burns the perpetrator suffered, Was it a wise act? Not really? Was it a good act? No. Should it be punished. Most certainly, but it wasn't cowardly.

I’ve even heard the attack on the Twin Towers on 9/11 being described as “cowardly”. No, it wasn’t. A suicide attack, almost by definition, isn’t “cowardly”. In fact, it’s the very definition of bravery. This is simply idiotic journalists, who tend to describe any act they don’t approve of as being “cowardly”. Okay, it was an evil and despicable act. I agree with that. But “cowardly”? Try not to be so fucking stupid.

Manliness is actually a rare quality that translates across time and cultural space. However the ends to which society exploits mens need to feel manly can be very different even opposite.

The word “virtue” actually means “manliness”, nothing more or less. This is why the ancient Romans regarded the gladiatorial games as a display of virtue, of manliness in its purest form. It was the epitome of virtue, of correct moral behaviour.