[wat0n]

I highly doubt anybody is going to realistically get any type of concession from Russia.

Between Minsk and the situation in the ground, there is nothing to offer either.

Recognition of the territory Putin has taken as Russian is one big concession.

I think this - Russia gets to keep what it's taken, deployment of EU peacekeepers at the border, Russian recognition of Ukraine's right to join the EU - is a reasonable way to end that war.

[QatzelOk]

https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1854432296000200820

This appears to confirm that the general pattern of American foreign policy continues, as George F. Kennan's containment strategy, whereby the Democrats start new wars (assymetrical warfare), and then the Republicans revert to symmetrical maintenance of their wars. (911 may have changed this pattern a bit).

According to Strategies of Containment: A Critical Appraisal of American National Security Policy During the Cold War, this has been the pattern of USA foreign policy since WW2.

So Biden's role was to start new wars, and Trump will simply continue to battle the important ones.

Why would anything change? The Western Elites are doing very, very well.

***

...You think a bunch of Mexican politicians and government people saw a Jewish woman and an environmental scientist like Claudia Sheinbaum in a nation full of hardcore Roman Catholics and Indigenous cultures and machista men who love exerting power and influence over people they deem their social and economic inferiors as being worse than the mysoginistic Trumpeteers in the USA?...

This is cultural war information, and has very little to do with the actual condition of the countries that you are culturally warring on behalf of.

The USA is bankrupt - as our most Western nations. Whether their leaders are Catholic, Jewish... men or women... this will have a great impact on the quality of everyone's lives.

Concentrating on cultural wars... is how the USA (and Canada) got such awful politics, and such awful living conditions (no community, always alone, unhealthy, alienated, etc.)

Bankrupt countries with lots of weapons... always end trying to attack their way out of their (self-imposed) misery. Trump will continue the fresh wars that were started by Biden-Harris-Blinken-Zelinsky-AIPAC. He has no choice.

The Democrats, if they had been elected, would have started some more fresh wars. Look who starts wars:


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[Hakeer]

No, I do not think some liberals who made the decisions for the people need to continue in their leadership positions. They need to get their asses kicked out of the Democratic Party. if they do not? They make the same arrogant decisions that caused the problem in the first place.

Biden no matter how you slice it was classic neoliberal establishment politicians. Joe Biden was a Washington DC insider for almost his entire adult life. He was not a breath of fresh air. He did not represent working class Americans and their concerns.

The USA has a blackout on information that does not favor their hypocritical policies and politics. You play identity politics.

Puerto Ricans are not a block of monolithic thinkers. Latin America is vast. It has elites, wealthy, well educated Nobel Prize winners, genius people, rocket scientists and so on. It has criminals, petty thieves, Drug Kingpins and it has average workers with good values. It has it all. And it has fascists, liberals, conservatives, Catholics, Buddhists, diversity of all sorts as well.

The Democrats better stop the bullshit about playing identity politics with the Latin Americans and the Blacks and the rest of us. And start dealing with real issues about who is going to represent the workers and the people choked by their economics as Williamson likes to phrase it and the ones who are doing the choking.

The smokescreens are not working anymore.

If I want to fight injustice? There are plenty of causes to do it through. The USA has money galore, a lot of people and a lot of resources. They suffer again from too many of the American electorate believing in bullshit and having NO ONE with real commitment to representing them.

You either rectify that with people with real values or integrity? Or the conman Fascist from Queens is going to sit on his ass on his throne and ignore the weak two faced liberals who failed to marshall the angry mobs looking for false hope.

Get some real fucking candidates and not fakes. That would be my advice.

I categorically reject the allegation that the Democratic Party does not work to support the poor and working class or oppose the billionaire class both historically and currently.

I am 100% aligned with the objective of the Congressional Progressive Caucus…
https://progressives.house.gov/

Latinos are members of the CPC, including my personal hero, Raul Grijalva.

On the Senate side, the progressives are headed by my man Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren who have been relentless in their fights against the billionaire class.

The sincerity of all these people is demonstrated not just by what they say but, equally important, the legislation they support/oppose in Congress.

The only thing preventing us from get the CPC budget and other legislation enacted is electing MORE progressives to Congress. We don’t need a useless third party to do that. All it would do is siphon off votes and elect Republicans. The only realistic solution in the foreseeable future is to expand the progressive caucus and take over the federal government.

[Tainari88]

I categorically reject the allegation that the Democratic Party does not work to support the poor and working class or oppose the billionaire class both historically and currently.

I am 100% aligned with the objective of the Congressional Progressive Caucus…
https://progressives.house.gov/

Latinos are members of the CPC, including my personal hero, Raul Grijalva.

On the Senate side, the progressives are headed by my man Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren who have been relentless in their fights against the billionaire class.

The sincerity of all these people is demonstrated not just by what they say but, equally important, the legislation they support/oppose in Congress.

The only thing preventing us from get the CPC budget and other legislation enacted is electing MORE progressives to Congress. We don’t need a useless third party to do that. All it would do is siphon off votes and elect Republicans. The only realistic solution in the foreseeable future is to expand the progressive caucus and take over the federal government.

Was Bernie Sanders the DNC's pick? No. In fact, Kamala Harris was an enemy of his in the entire primary process. She hated him and so did Hillary Clinton. Who were corporate Democrats. I paid attention because he is a socialist. A democratic socialist. I am international socialist. The DNC did not pick him as their nominee he wanted a shot at Trump and many working people would have went for him if he had the backing of the establishment. He did not. They dumped him. He also had issues with backing from Black Southern Democrats and Chicano Latinos from the West Coast. Do you want a breakdown on how the Establishment Neoliberal Liberals of the Clinton 1990s destroyed the Progressive candidates in that party? Or how they fucked over Ralph Nader and many others who tried to get sincere air time within primary debates in the DNC platforms.

Elizabeth Warren is a moderate liberal. Not a radical liberal. She has stated unequivocally that she supports capitalism and does not back socialism. She is an Oklahoman who had a mother who worked at Sears and paints herself as Native American. She has zero of that culture but did it to try to be the new Identity politics Democrat. She is razor intelligent. So I do not believe her if she said she was a socialist at all. Because she is not.

Do you want to know how to get rid of billionaire dominated politics? You challenge the capitalist class who are billionaires. And you can't do that being liberal minded rich people who are open to capitalist machinations. You have to talk the talk and walk the walk. Not bullshit.

If you had a more Left candidate willing to spank the banks, and capitalist billionaires where it hurts with huge numbers? The Orange Trump man conman would have had to work. Hard.

I do not have much more time. I have to go to work.

It is time to be truthful. Those people are not really radicals Hakeer. Their job as establishment politicians is to perpetuate their power that was in the Driver's Seat politically for a very long time. They controlled mainstream media. They controlled huge corporations.

The Republicans are rawhide and unapologetic capitalist elitist nasty greedy people who do not give a damn about the working class dupes they need to use and abuse on their way to power. They know the lower classes are angry. They deflect and detour the blame on Latin American desperate immigrants who can't vote. Puerto Ricans who are non voters on the island and who also are diffused all over the USA in poverty conditions. They blame the most vulnerable and the ones who are swimming against the tide of power...unable to get some relief.

And what do your party types do? Who invest in millions of dollars in the stock market and are comfortable? Do you fight for them? You can't do it without being very plain speaking and avoiding bribes from corporations and banks. Big Pharma paid Obama and Biden. Many receive money from the very industries that are undermining democratic rights of working class people.

Mexicans are really unable to hide their heads in the sand at all. They live in a world of really realistic power plays by the elites. No one lives in fantasies of being a superpower and believing in Casino capitalism. They passed that bridge a long time ago.

No, again you got issues in that party. It is time to reassess who you are as a political body.

You are not picking the ones you need. You are picking the ones who sold out a very long time ago.

[annatar1914]

Was Bernie Sanders the DNC's pick? No. In fact, Kamala Harris was an enemy of his in the entire primary process. She hated him and so did Hillary Clinton. Who were corporate Democrats. I paid attention because he is a socialist. A democratic socialist. I am international socialist. The DNC did not pick him as their nominee he wanted a shot at Trump and many working people would have went for him if he had the backing of the establishment. He did not. They dumped him. He also had issues with backing from Black Southern Democrats and Chicano Latinos from the West Coast. Do you want a breakdown on how the Establishment Neoliberal Liberals of the Clinton 1990s destroyed the Progressive candidates in that party? Or how they fucked over Ralph Nader and many others who tried to get sincere air time within primary debates in the DNC platforms.

Elizabeth Warren is a moderate liberal. Not a radical liberal. She has stated unequivocally that she supports capitalism and does not back socialism. She is an Oklahoman who had a mother who worked at Sears and paints herself as Native American. She has zero of that culture but did it to try to be the new Identity politics Democrat. She is razor intelligent. So I do not believe her if she said she was a socialist at all. Because she is not.

Do you want to know how to get rid of billionaire dominated politics? You challenge the capitalist class who are billionaires. And you can't do that being liberal minded rich people who are open to capitalist machinations. You have to talk the talk and walk the walk. Not bullshit.

If you had a more Left candidate willing to spank the banks, and capitalist billionaires where it hurts with huge numbers? The Orange Trump man conman would have had to work. Hard.

I do not have much more time. I have to go to work.

It is time to be truthful. Those people are not really radicals Hakeer. Their job as establishment politicians is to perpetuate their power that was in the Driver's Seat politically for a very long time. They controlled mainstream media. They controlled huge corporations.

The Republicans are rawhide and unapologetic capitalist elitist nasty greedy people who do not give a damn about the working class dupes they need to use and abuse on their way to power. They know the lower classes are angry. They deflect and detour the blame on Latin American desperate immigrants who can't vote. Puerto Ricans who are non voters on the island and who also are diffused all over the USA in poverty conditions. They blame the most vulnerable and the ones who are swimming against the tide of power...unable to get some relief.

And what do your party types do? Who invest in millions of dollars in the stock market and are comfortable? Do you fight for them? You can't do it without being very plain speaking and avoiding bribes from corporations and banks. Big Pharma paid Obama and Biden. Many receive money from the very industries that are undermining democratic rights of working class people.

Mexicans are really unable to hide their heads in the sand at all. They live in a world of really realistic power plays by the elites. No one lives in fantasies of being a superpower and believing in Casino capitalism. They passed that bridge a long time ago.

No, again you got issues in that party. It is time to reassess who you are as a political body.

You are not picking the ones you need. You are picking the ones who sold out a very long time ago.

@Tainari88 :

I see familiar patterns, im sure you do too....

Aside from that, its not enough to have close to a proper political ideology in absolute terms but one that conforms with reality. And reality is conflict, dialectical conflict.

Few are prepared in their consciousness to accept a life of awareness, awareness of struggle and strife. In their life, their politics are of a sort by which everything is decided, from what music to listen to or clothes to wear.

[Skynet]

I was wrong sure, Kamala slowed down in the last month and also American female voters don't really vote for a female president so it is what it is. Apparently being a female candidate is a really big anchor.

As they say, only somebody who does nothing makes no mistakes.

The Democrats will continue to loose if they do not protect the border and leave allone the LGBTQ+ worship (female sports and military), the asexuals are1 % of populationtimes but no asexual pride month ( I ask me why the pope does not hire just asexuals as priests)

[Deutschmania]

The real flaw is the basic concept, empowering the masses. What just happened was an indictment of the system (if another were needed...). A demagogue, convicted felon, possible rapist, buffoon...returned to power by the dummies who can best relate to somebody like that, or them.

I feel the real problem , especially as it has pertained to the U.S.A. , is not so much democracy as it is the proliferation of false consciousness . On the whole , a representative form of government is only as good as the people whom it represents . If the people as a whole are made up of those with ignorant intolerant prejudice then they will be inclined to vote to discriminate against those whom they denigrate . If it won't bore you , I will tell you all a personal anecdote about how I came to learn this hard life lesson first hand . In the third grade, my friend , who was sort of an Anglo-Metis , and I had classes , such as namely Math , in the separate learning disabled class . Well in time , our home room teacher wanted to treat the entire class to a special game of kickball , as they had all done so well on a Math test that he'd given them . A boy then objected to our participation in the event , as we had had a different Math class elsewhere . So in the end , the teacher decided to put it to a vote . And the majority of the student body , either motivated by ableism , racism , or both , voted to exclude the two of us from the match . So , given the choice between being given our own ball , and playing by ourselves , and sitting out the game and keeping score alongside the teacher , we both chose the former . Now I do not know whether our being allowed to play kickball , along with the rest of our home room class , could be considered to be a personal right . But this experience did come to reinforce the idea that what my Anglo-Metis friend had told me , about the United States being an illegitimate settler colonial regime , was correct . And eventually I came to be what some might consider a Communist . As such , I am opposed to the notion of liberal democracy , due to its potential for majority rule to result in tyranny of the majority . And I agree with Socrates's critique of democracy . I feel that to some extent , there should instead be technocracy . But , as I am not specifically a neosocialist , I do accept the idea of democratic centralism to be valid . In short , I feel that the popular will should be counterbalanced by the rule of law , so as to have ordered liberty .

[Hakeer]

Was Bernie Sanders the DNC's pick? No. In fact, Kamala Harris was an enemy of his in the entire primary process. She hated him and so did Hillary Clinton. Who were corporate Democrats. I paid attention because he is a socialist. A democratic socialist. I am international socialist. The DNC did not pick him as their nominee he wanted a shot at Trump and many working people would have went for him if he had the backing of the establishment. He did not. They dumped him. He also had issues with backing from Black Southern Democrats and Chicano Latinos from the West Coast. Do you want a breakdown on how the Establishment Neoliberal Liberals of the Clinton 1990s destroyed the Progressive candidates in that party? Or how they fucked over Ralph Nader and many others who tried to get sincere air time within primary debates in the DNC platforms.

Elizabeth Warren is a moderate liberal. Not a radical liberal. She has stated unequivocally that she supports capitalism and does not back socialism. She is an Oklahoman who had a mother who worked at Sears and paints herself as Native American. She has zero of that culture but did it to try to be the new Identity politics Democrat. She is razor intelligent. So I do not believe her if she said she was a socialist at all. Because she is not.

Do you want to know how to get rid of billionaire dominated politics? You challenge the capitalist class who are billionaires. And you can't do that being liberal minded rich people who are open to capitalist machinations. You have to talk the talk and walk the walk. Not bullshit.

If you had a more Left candidate willing to spank the banks, and capitalist billionaires where it hurts with huge numbers? The Orange Trump man conman would have had to work. Hard.

I do not have much more time. I have to go to work.

It is time to be truthful. Those people are not really radicals Hakeer. Their job as establishment politicians is to perpetuate their power that was in the Driver's Seat politically for a very long time. They controlled mainstream media. They controlled huge corporations.

The Republicans are rawhide and unapologetic capitalist elitist nasty greedy people who do not give a damn about the working class dupes they need to use and abuse on their way to power. They know the lower classes are angry. They deflect and detour the blame on Latin American desperate immigrants who can't vote. Puerto Ricans who are non voters on the island and who also are diffused all over the USA in poverty conditions. They blame the most vulnerable and the ones who are swimming against the tide of power...unable to get some relief.

And what do your party types do? Who invest in millions of dollars in the stock market and are comfortable? Do you fight for them? You can't do it without being very plain speaking and avoiding bribes from corporations and banks. Big Pharma paid Obama and Biden. Many receive money from the very industries that are undermining democratic rights of working class people.

Mexicans are really unable to hide their heads in the sand at all. They live in a world of really realistic power plays by the elites. No one lives in fantasies of being a superpower and believing in Casino capitalism. They passed that bridge a long time ago.

No, again you got issues in that party. It is time to reassess who you are as a political body.

You are not picking the ones you need. You are picking the ones who sold out a very long time ago.

Let’s go back to the 2020 Democratic primary. We had both Sanders and Warren running against Biden, and Joe got more votes than both of them combined. Unfortunately, the party isn’t there yet. We have to keep working at it. We need CPC candidates to win primaries and then elections. You can rail all you want against capitalism, but the only way to get to a more socialist system (tax billionaires, universal healthcare, worker unions, raise minimum wage, restore voting rights, reform public education, regulate corporations, and basically and radically redistribute income and wealth from the top toward the bottom in a democracy) is to elect enough people to office to get this done.

As I said before, the alternative is a communist dictatorship. Do you really want that?

[Rancid]

Well, @Rancid I think Marianne Williamson hit the nail on the head of what went wrong with the Democratic Party in the election of 2024.

She is right about the Democratic Party liberal elite leadership is spot on.

They are two faced people who do not really believe in serving the working class.

It is a mess because they talked two sides of their mouth.

The Liberals are not believers in equality and they back capitalist crap.

If you want leftism, you certainly don't get that in democrats. That's just a Republican line that people seem to believe.

Had Kamala gone more left with her message, she would have lost by even more votes. Fundamentally, America is right wing. If democrats want to win, they will need to shift more to the right.

I do believe the trans stuff really hurt the democrats a lot. The whole "they are going to cut off your son's dick" or "they are going to let men into the girls restroom" scare tactic was VERY effective. ENough for people to vote for a traitor.

It's easier for Republican to recruit crazy right wing racist nationalists, and not lose as many votes on the more "liberal" end of the party, than it is for democrats to recruit hard leftist, and not lose many votes on the more conservative democrat side. That is to say, they can win left leaning republican voters more easily than they can win stronger left wing voters.

So in that respect, the are idiots, and now we have a potential disaster on our hands. That project 2025 shit is real.

So much for the "deep state".

All of sudden there is no fraud too.

[wat0n]

If you want leftism, you certainly don't get that in democrats. That's just a Republican line that people seem to believe.

Had Kamala gone more left with her message, she would have lost by even more votes. Fundamentally, America is right wing. If democrats want to win, they will need to shift more to the right.

I do believe the trans stuff really hurt the democrats a lot. The whole "they are going to cut off your son's dick" or "they are going to let men into the girls restroom" scare tactic was VERY effective. ENough for people to vote for a traitor.

It's easier for Republican to recruit crazy right wing racist nationalists, and not lose as many votes on the more "liberal" end of the party, than it is for democrats to recruit hard leftist, and not lose many votes on the more conservative democrat side. That is to say, they can win left leaning republican voters more easily than they can win stronger left wing voters.

So in that respect, the are idiots, and now we have a potential disaster on our hands. That project 2025 shit is real.

So much for the "deep state".

All of sudden there is no fraud too.

I think the state of cities hurt Dems as much as the trans stuff, if not even more. Watching on TV/social media smash and grab happen several times over the years in long-standing Dem jurisdictions... Is a bad look.

[Verv]

I agree with @Igor Antunov 's analysis of foreign policy generally but I would say that Trump hates Bibi Netanyahu for personal reasons, and while he is an arch Zionist, he may make some demand to do some culminating operation against Hamas which ends the genocidal treatment of Palestinians.

Of course, he might not do that - he might allow Netanyahu to completely go with the status quo, which basically amounts to ethnic cleansing, but it is doubtful that the whole task will actually be done because of domestic political instability and the fact that the international community will eventually pressure him and the West so much as to make full ethnic cleansing untenable... Yeah, it'll probably be very bad, though.

I actualy think Kamala Harris would not be able to handle Netanyahu. She would tepidly oppose him and attempt to manage the situation, but he would generally ignore her while still obtaining aid and pushing the limits. I think he'd eventually be stopped by Kamala, but it would be quite late. She does not have the cajones of Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, or even AOC, who I believe would make concrete, immediate demands that would cause Netanyahu to begin wrapping things up...

But yeah, IDK, this is aw ild situation.

Also I thank @noemon for pointing out that the inflation globally is being caused by the Ukraine war - energy prices are soaring, affecting production and transportation.

The war is also particularly disastrous because:

(1) Without firing a shot, we could have probably negotiated an independently observed plebiscite in Luhansk & Donetsk, and theoretically this cold have resulted in them becoming an autonomous region still within Ukraine, an independent nation-state, or a part of Russia. The negotiation process could've taken years. Eventually Trump would maybe come into the office and probably strike a deal that everyone would say is TERRIBLE! for us, but would completely avoid the war and end the saga.

(2) We could have immediately agreed to the terms after the war started or on the eve of the war to cede Luhansk & Donetsk to Russia.

... And Russia would have gotten LESS LAND, and hundreds of thousands of lives would be saved, and millions would be able to return to their homes on short notice.

But now?

- Russia will have defeated all of NATO in a proxy war.
- Russia will inevitably get more land than what they went in for.
- Russia will have showcased general military competence and their advanced missile arsenal.

And most importantly:

- Russia has become closer than ever with Iran, who now has a super advanced S-400 anti-air system guarding their skies, has their military manufacturing and defense capabilities integrating with Russia to some degree in huge tech exchanges about drones and other fifth generation battlefield tech.
- Russia & China are actively signaling general support for each other - Mearsheimer is horrified by this, observing that not just him but many others all said that the worst thing that could happen for Western geopoltiical interests is Russia & China uniting in the 21st century. That's what happened.

The choices of the American deep state and Biden on this can be said to be exponentially beneficial to the military industrial complex and the deep state foreign policy itself because it has made Europe permanently dependent on America, but let's also remember... The inflation and economic woes that they have created are what got Trump elected, and this might be detrimental to their long-term influence on Washington if Trump's coalition changes both the Republicans & Democrats, bringing populists who are pacifists (liberal) or isolationist (conservative) to the fore...

It sounds funny saying that but there is a future where Trump's populist right & the Squad's populist left defeat the mainstream conservative & liberal factions that represent some 20th century thought for politics... Which is good for everyone here except the center leftists crying in the comments.

Alright, so that's about it. I think this solidifies that we live in a post-truth era.

All there is to do is hope that this stuff about "retribution" and "enemies within" was really just talk however hard to believe it is.

Hot take: the post-truth era will be more reflective of the actual truth of what is going on than the alleged truth era.

The so-called 'truth' era is simply a fake consensus on domestic politics orchestrated by the major media outlets not called Fox News, and the foreign politics consensus orchestrated by NATO. There is little to no room for dissent because everything that goes against it is just a conspiracy theory, disinformation, or Russian propaganda...

We have left this era because the mainstream English language media has failed to be objective and account for everything going on, and because the Washington / London / Brussels narrative about foreign policy is falling apart.

[Rugoz]

(1) Without firing a shot, we could have probably negotiated an independently observed plebiscite in Luhansk & Donetsk, and theoretically this cold have resulted in them becoming an autonomous region still within Ukraine, an independent nation-state, or a part of Russia.

Jesus Christ, how f***ing delusional do you have to be at this point to believe this war is about that little region in the east, when Russian propaganda has been bluntly telling it how it is since the start of the war, namely that Ukraine has no right to exist.

The only pro-Russian here that has a half-way reasonable grasp on what Russia's goals are is Igor. The others are outright in denial of reality. Not surprisingly, given they are also religious and/or Trump-voters. Go figure.

[Hakeer]

This appears to confirm that the general pattern of American foreign policy continues, as George F. Kennan's containment strategy, whereby the Democrats start new wars (assymetrical warfare), and then the Republicans revert to symmetrical maintenance of their wars. (911 may have changed this pattern a bit).

According to Strategies of Containment: A Critical Appraisal of American National Security Policy During the Cold War, this has been the pattern of USA foreign policy since WW2.

So Biden's role was to start new wars, and Trump will simply continue to battle the important ones.

Why would anything change? The Western Elites are doing very, very well.

***


This is cultural war information, and has very little to do with the actual condition of the countries that you are culturally warring on behalf of.

The USA is bankrupt - as our most Western nations. Whether their leaders are Catholic, Jewish... men or women... this will have a great impact on the quality of everyone's lives.

Concentrating on cultural wars... is how the USA (and Canada) got such awful politics, and such awful living conditions (no community, always alone, unhealthy, alienated, etc.)

Bankrupt countries with lots of weapons... always end trying to attack their way out of their (self-imposed) misery. Trump will continue the fresh wars that were started by Biden-Harris-Blinken-Zelinsky-AIPAC. He has no choice.

The Democrats, if they had been elected, would have started some more fresh wars. Look who starts wars:


image source

Biden didn’t start any war. He ended the Afghanistan war carried on by Bush, Obama, and Trump.

[Hakeer]

:lol:

Jesus Christ, how f***ing delusional do you have to be at this point to believe this war is about that little region in the east, when Russian propaganda has been bluntly telling it how it is since the start of the war, namely that Ukraine has no right to exist.

The only pro-Russian here that has a half-way reasonable grasp on what Russia's goals are is Igor. The others are outright in denial of reality. Not surprisingly, given they are also religious and/or Trump-voters. Go figure.

The Eastern Orthodox Church in Russia has officially designated this as a “holy war.” I’m assuming that means God would not be very happy if Putin settles for annexing some land in eastern Ukraine leaving Ukraine as a sovereign nation aligned with the evil “West”.

[litwin]

Verv is NOT fat!

fat=massive.
ps
Donald Trump wants to cut global oil prices in half ( ITS less than 30 $ US for Urals ) ... if he does so , Moscow empire won´t survive his 4 years in the office ...

[Verv]

:lol:

Jesus Christ, how f***ing delusional do you have to be at this point to believe this war is about that little region in the east, when Russian propaganda has been bluntly telling it how it is since the start of the war, namely that Ukraine has no right to exist.

The only pro-Russian here that has a half-way reasonable grasp on what Russia's goals are is Igor. The others are outright in denial of reality. Not surprisingly, given they are also religious and/or Trump-voters. Go figure.

I believe I had heard an expert say that the goal is to break off a giant piece of Ukraine and turn it into a dysfunctional rump state.

Holding all of Ukraine indefinitely would be considered going beyond the grounds for their reason for war by a lot, leading to massive diplomatic fallout and sustained insurrection against them. It would probably also earn disapproval from the Chinese who would urge against it, and it would be a much harder sell to his constitutents...

But I know people like you even wonder if the guy would invade and take Lativa or even Poland.

Yet, there is a simultaneous belief that the Russian military is incredibly inept and on its last legs, that there is an accurate, unsolvable demographic and economic crisis, and that Putin could be overthrown at any time...

And, remember 2022? Putin had cancer and all kinds of health problems and ordered the invasion because HE WAS GONG TO DIE..! The poison dwarf, killed by cancer..!

There's just so many claims about him that are wildly exaggerated and super convenient to whatever the West wants the narrative about him to be that I find it hard to understand.

And here is a serious question:

If NATO and Ukraine agreed to hold referendums, or had agreed to peace right after the war started on terms of ceding Luhansk & Donetsk, how could have Putin refused and continued on with the war and his more long-term plans of dominating all of Europe?

[Tainari88]

If you want leftism, you certainly don't get that in democrats. That's just a Republican line that people seem to believe.

Had Kamala gone more left with her message, she would have lost by even more votes. Fundamentally, America is right wing. If democrats want to win, they will need to shift more to the right.

I do believe the trans stuff really hurt the democrats a lot. The whole "they are going to cut off your son's dick" or "they are going to let men into the girls restroom" scare tactic was VERY effective. ENough for people to vote for a traitor.

It's easier for Republican to recruit crazy right wing racist nationalists, and not lose as many votes on the more "liberal" end of the party, than it is for democrats to recruit hard leftist, and not lose many votes on the more conservative democrat side. That is to say, they can win left leaning republican voters more easily than they can win stronger left wing voters.

So in that respect, the are idiots, and now we have a potential disaster on our hands. That project 2025 shit is real.

So much for the "deep state".

All of sudden there is no fraud too.

America is going to find out what real White Christian Nationalism entails.

I saw a Chris Hedges report with a retired Republican high ranking marine colonel of sorts.

What he talks about--where the Project 2025 wants the United States to become a Christian Nationalist nation. They already started in the past with the Bush administration that if a soldier was not a Christian he should not be allowed to serve in the US military.

Government and church fusing into a form of imposed Christian Nationalism.

if they impose that with force? They will have violent rebellion and a civil war.

The reality is the reason the separation of church from state was made crystal clear in the US Constitution was because religious wars had torn apart Europe and England specifically for centuries. The War of the Roses, the Wars over Calvinism and Luther splitting from Rome...etc. They even floated making a separate American Catholic Church where Rome no longer was the Holy place for Roman Catholicism.

Sort of like the Mormons who believe Jesus Christ was in Utah and in America through Joseph Smith and the Church of Latter Day Saints. America is Christian. With a new mythology.

It is fascinating really. But the truth of the matter is that all those wars over religion are disasters in the making.

But if that is what they want? War with the Muslim world. Wars with Jews. Wars with Buddhists, Hindus and every cult and creed. Blood and violence and death all tied to Faith and religious beliefs.

Go roll it all back to the time of the Crusades.

[Hakeer]

America is going to find out what real White Christian Nationalism entails.

I saw a Chris Hedges report with a retired Republican high ranking marine colonel of sorts.

What he talks about--where the Project 2025 wants the United States to become a Christian Nationalist nation. They already started in the past with the Bush administration that if a soldier was not a Christian he should not be allowed to serve in the US military.

Government and church fusing into a form of imposed Christian Nationalism.

if they impose that with force? They will have violent rebellion and a civil war.

The reality is the reason the separation of church from state was made crystal clear in the US Constitution was because religious wars had torn apart Europe and England specifically for centuries. The War of the Roses, the Wars over Calvinism and Luther splitting from Rome...etc. They even floated making a separate American Catholic Church where Rome no longer was the Holy place for Roman Catholicism.

Sort of like the Mormons who believe Jesus Christ was in Utah and in America through Joseph Smith and the Church of Latter Day Saints. America is Christian. With a new mythology.

It is fascinating really. But the truth of the matter is that all those wars over religion are disasters in the making.

But if that is what they want? War with the Muslim world. Wars with Jews. Wars with Buddhists, Hindus and every cult and creed. Blood and violence and death all tied to Faith and religious beliefs.

Go roll it all back to the time of the Crusades.

The majority of Americans identify as Christian (63%). By far, the second largest is “no religion.”

[Tainari88]

@Hakeer I think the issue is? Does Trump fit the profile featured in this video? Generally yes or no?

[Hakeer]

@Hakeer I think the issue is? Does Trump fit the profile featured in this video? Generally yes or no?

Trump perfectly fits the profile on almost all these criteria. The one possible exception may be the thing Wilkerson mentioned in your other video. Historically, many, if not most, fascists are military imperialists eager to start wars. Trump may be more inclined to isolationism. That could be very dangerous if the other autocrats of the world believe he will sit back and do nothing while they invade their neighbors. China will be watching carefully how Trump deals with Israel/Iran and Russia/Ukraine.