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Rugoz wrote:Sure Mr. Fascist.

litwin is a spammer and I suspect the only reason he wasn't banned a long time ago was to make Ukrainians look bad. If he's actually Ukrainian.


@Rugoz :

Here i was thinking we could have a rational conversation. But you have dug in your heels and hardened your heart.

I dont hate anyone.

I dont know if you have ever met Bandera Uniate people from Western Ukraine, from Volhynia, Galicia, etc.... But many of them are quite insane, sorry to say. Broken people, real haters. Hate Poles and Balts almost as they do Russians, Romani, and Jews. Hate everyone, deeply insecure.
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By litwin
#15331994
annatar1914 wrote:@Rugoz :

Here i was thinking we could have a rational conversation. But you have dug in your heels and hardened your heart.

I dont hate anyone.

I dont know if you have ever met Bandera Uniate people from Western Ukraine, from Volhynia, Galicia, etc.... But many of them are quite insane, sorry to say. Broken people, real haters. Hate Poles and Balts almost as they do Russians, Romani, and Jews. Hate everyone, deeply insecure.


THE PRICE OF OIL COLLAPSES SO DOES Saddam Putsein (and his clients :lol: ) dictatorship :lol:


By Rich
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annatar1914 wrote:No victories for the devils in the Ukraine, so the Ukrainian conflict thread is spammed with news from Syria.

The Russians are advancing, but its so, so slow. Yes its speeded up a bit over the last year, but Russian advances are still painfully slow. At this rate we're talking decades just to take the left bank of the Dnieper. Now obviously the Russians hope to increase that rate of advance. Particularly with the incoming Trump Presidency and the possibility of American aid ceasing, they'll no doubt be hoping for some kind of collapse. But then you've got another problem.

At the beginning of the SMO the "military experts" prepared the (western) peoples for a Ukrainian military collapse, just like we've seen in Syria, just like we saw in Afghanistan. Now we can argue about how much the military experts really believed this and how much this was just expectation management, but the point is that the people were being softened up to accept massive territorial and political gains for Putin from any kind of peace deal. If the Russian had taken Kharkov in the opening few weeks or better days of the SMO, the western public's had been primed to accept it. If Russia had taken Kharkov, the Donbas and the land-bridge that could have been sold as a heroic and wonderful victory for Ukraine.

But today nearly three years on its very different. How do western leaders just sit back and watch Ukraine's military collapse? In particular how does Trump just sit back and watch Ukraine collapse? It seems to me that Putin needs a radically new environment where the previously unthinkable becomes thinkable and then the unacceptable becomes acceptable. And Funnily enough that's maybe what the Israeli government needs if they are to create radical new facts on the ground. If they're to go beyond ethnic cleasinng at the rate of an asthmatic tortoise with heavy shopping. This is purely idle speculation on my part, but maybe Putin and Netanyahu just cut a deal. Russia has become dependent on Iran. Of course Iran is still dependent on Russia, but the power balance has shifted and Israel can no longer trust Putin to keep Iran on a leash. Perhaps Iran and its sphere of influence have just become too powerful and Israel's calculus has changed.
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Rich wrote:The Russians are advancing, but its so, so slow. Yes its speeded up a bit over the last year, but Russian advances are still painfully slow. At this rate we're talking decades just to take the left bank of the Dnieper. Now obviously the Russians hope to increase that rate of advance. Particularly with the incoming Trump Presidency and the possibility of American aid ceasing, they'll no doubt be hoping for some kind of collapse. But then you've got another problem.

At the beginning of the SMO the "military experts" prepared the (western) people's for a Ukrainian military collapse, just like we've seen in Syria, just like we saw in Afghanistan. Now we can argue about how much the military experts really believed this and how much this was just expectation management, but the point is that the people were being softened up to accept massive territorial and political gains for Putin from any kind of peace deal. If the Russian had taken Kharkov in the opening few weeks or better days of the SMO, the western public's had been primed to accept it. If Russia had taken Kharkov, the Donbas and the land-bridge that could have been sold as a heroic and wonderful victory for Ukraine.

But today nearly three years on its very different. How do western leaders just sit back and watch Ukraine's military collapse? In particular how does Trump just sit back and watch Ukraine collapse? It seems to me that Putin needs a radically new environment where the previously unthinkable becomes thinkable and then the unacceptable becomes acceptable. And Funnily enough that's maybe what the Israeli government needs if they are to create radical new facts on the ground. If they're to go beyond ethnic cleasinng at the rate of an asthmatic tortoise with heavy shopping. This is purely idle speculation on my part, but maybe Putin and Netanyahu just cut a deal. Russia has become dependent on Iran. Of course Iran is still dependent on Russia, but the power balance has shifted and Israel can no longer trust Putin to keep Iran on a leash. Perhaps Iran and its sphere of influence have just become too powerful and Israel's calculus has changed.


@Rich :

I have said for some time that Russia and Israel are destined for alliance. Read the part bolded in this article particularly:

According to reports, Air Force jets attacked at noon (Sunday) the Al-Maza military airport in Damascus, Halakhala in southern Syria – where there is also a central airport – as well as the rural areas of Daraa and As-Suwayda. Our commentator Yossi Yehoshua adds that the targets of the strikes are weapons depots and surface-to-surface missiles.
Just this morning, rebels were photographed at Al-Maza, one of the main airfields of the Syrian Air Force, which has also been attacked by Israel in the past. The Syrian “Voice of the Capital”, affiliated with the opposition, said that “Israel is systematically destroying all the brigades and battalions of the previous regime in southern Syria, while directly attacking all the air defense systems, missile depots and development and production institutes. Any place that participated, produced, or developed weapons that could threaten Israel.” Later, “Voice of the Capital” reported that talks are underway on a Russian-Israeli agreement to hand over strategic sites in the rural areas of Daraa and Quneitra to Israeli forces, mainly Tel al-Hara.

An hour later, the same website reported that Israeli attacks in the Damascus area continued. “The Israeli army has prepared a bank of targets that will be destroyed in the coming hours,” it reported, noting that, among other things, Republican Guard and 4th Division posts in the Qasioun area were attacked.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that Israel had penetrated various areas in the Quneitra countryside using tanks and armored vehicles, as far as the a-Raqad bridge. Israeli forces, according to the report, also approached civilian homes in the village of al-Hamidiya north of Quneitra. It was alleged that the forces shot and killed a young man from the town of Jabata in the northern Quneitra countryside, arrested all the residents of the village of Rassem a-Rawadi and took them to the village school.

Last night, according to foreign reports, Air Force fighter jets carried out waves of strikes around Damascus, with the aim of destroying advanced weapons arrays and weapons production facilities that could fall into the hands of the rebels. In addition, a chemical weapons depot in Syria was attacked last night. The IDF updated this morning that “in light of the events in Syria and in accordance with the assessment of the situation and the possibility of armed men entering the buffer zone, the IDF has deployed forces in the buffer zone and at a number of points necessary for defense, in order to ensure the security of the Golan Heights communities and Israeli citizens.”

The army emphasized that “the IDF does not intervene in the events taking place in Syria and will continue to act as long as necessary to preserve the buffer zone and protect the State of Israel and its citizens.” According to reports, the IDF has conveyed warning messages to the rebels who occupy the Syrian Golan Heights and overthrew the regime of Bashar al-Assad not to cross the Alpha Line, from which the demilitarized zone begins.


As for the pace of the SMO it is fitting for Bandera extermination, like General Franco's calculation that the long battle of the Ebro River would serve to prevent a future insurgency against his rule:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ebro

Thats a fairly close parallel.
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annatar1914 wrote:Here i was thinking we could have a rational conversation. But you have dug in your heels and hardened your heart.

I dont hate anyone.


It's impossible to have a rational conversation with somebody who calls a million plus soldiers defending their homeland against an invasion "devils" (or in fact the 92% of Ukrainians who have confidence in their military).

Of course you've been crazy before this war. Nothing new.
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Rugoz wrote:It's impossible to have a rational conversation with somebody who calls a million plus soldiers defending their homeland against an invasion "devils" (or in fact the 92% of Ukrainians who have confidence in their military).

Of course you've been crazy before this war. Nothing new.


@Rugoz :

Sure, tell yourself that, making personal attacks when what ive been saying all along about the Ukrainian conflict ( making the world safe for militant Islam) comes true. And i wasnt speaking about the poor conscripts but the Azov Bandera loving types. But nuance and rationality are probably lost on a guy like you which is a shame, because i always thought highly of Magyars of the likes of Janos Hunyadi. You remember him, dont you? The Order of the Dragon? For your sake and your people's well being i hope so.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hunyadi
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By litwin
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annatar1914 wrote:@Rugoz :

Sure, tell yourself that, making personal attacks when what ive been saying all along about the Ukrainian conflict ( making the world safe for militant Islam) comes true. And i wasnt speaking about the poor conscripts but the Azov Bandera loving types. But nuance and rationality are probably lost on a guy like you which is a shame, because i always thought highly of Magyars of the likes of Janos Hunyadi. You remember him, dont you? The Order of the Dragon? For your sake and your people's well being i hope so.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hunyadi



Couple of interesting things:
1. Moscow rat Assad has fled. Hero Zelensky stayed. It kind of shows how much faith they had in their people.
2. The US needs to get over to "Syria" and purchase every single Moscow anti-aircraft missile system it can find.
3. Moscow empire won't be able to keep its bases in "Syria" (the ME) 8)
4. I’m sure millions of "Syrians" are on the way home now.
https://x.com/i/status/1865593394338070766

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By litwin
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We have the Ukranian Heroes and their heroic people to thank for saving democratic civilization. We must support them, now!

Moscow empire on Thin Ice: Assad’s Troubles and Putin’s Global Struggles



#15332042
Potemkin wrote:“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be America’s friend is fatal.” - Henry Kissinger.


A poll of the people in Georgia found that nearly 80% support application for membership in the European Union. However, the government gets elected promising to do it while engaging in anti-democratic actions such as banning opposition parties. There is an investigation into whether the 2024 election was free and fair. Putin may someday need to invade Georgia again to keep them out of the EU and NATO.
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annatar1914 wrote:Sure, tell yourself that, making personal attacks when what ive been saying all along about the Ukrainian conflict ( making the world safe for militant Islam) comes true.


If you think you can save the world form militant Islam by supporting secular butchers such as Assad you're a bloody moron.

annatar1914 wrote:And i wasnt speaking about the poor conscripts but the Azov Bandera loving types.


Support for the Ukrainian military among Ukrainians is sky high and unlike the fascist pigs on the other side, it follows international law and the rules of war. Your dumb Russian propaganda shit about fringe right-wing elements in Ukrainian society is irrelevant. Go through the definition of fascism and look in the mirror.
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litwin, here is a question to which I would like you to respond thoughtfully and in your own words.

Use Google Translate if English is not your first language.

Here is my question (and context for question):

Donald Trump has threatened to pull the USA out of NATO if the other members "don't pay up" or if they don't do what head office tells them to do. The USA could also go bankrupt during his term and not be able to honor its own monetary contributions.

In either scenario, if the USA were to leave NATO, do you think the other members ought to invite in Russia in order to anchor it with another Superpower?

I mean, shopping malls often need an anchor tenant to survive, and wouldn't it be the same with superpowers? Perhaps China could do as well if Russia isn't interested.
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Negotiator wrote:If a state like Ukraine systematically suppresses some of its people, as Ukraine does most thoroughly with the 30% of native russian speakers of their population, outlawing the language...


That is a barefaced lie - at least regarding anything that happened before Russia's invasion.

The worst Ukraine ever did before Russia's invasion was preventing or repealing Russian as an "official" language in Ukraine. No one was ever "outlawed" from speaking it FFS :roll: .

Now Ukrainian language under Russian rule on the other hand...
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