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By Muck
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Article wrote:He says that he is not a member of a neo-Nazi organisation, but an active supporter of the Green party, Respect and CND.


Anyone who aligns themselves with Galloway is capable of a broad spectrum of nonsense.

Jews "caused WW2 and the Holocaust" Qatz? For someone who appears to be in a perpetual cycle of one type of education or another, you do a remarkably good impression of someone who's had none.
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By redcarpet
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active supporter of the Green party, Respect


Wasn't aware you can be a member of 2 political parties at the same time.
By Arbiter Azariah
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Being a supporter and a member is two different things. Besides, RESPECT is an environmentalist party, the only one with representation in the British House of Commons, if I recall.

A related fun fact, however: the RESPECT coalition does allow people to be members of other parties.
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By Muck
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I dont think theres anything to stop you being a member of two political parties, and given that the Greens are a single issue party, there is little area of conflict.

RESPECT is an environmentalist party


Not really, at least not in the manner that Galloway represents it. His primary concerns appear to be civil rights, and smearing anyone who disagrees with him in a rather childish manner.

Respect, Equality, Socialism, Peace, Environmentalism, Community, and Trade Unionism.
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By Oxymoron
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While Jewish terror groups and moneyed Zionists like the Rothschilds basically caused WW2 and the Holocaust, we always point our fingers at the German people and their leadership.


Those Greedy evil Jews.

As if any other state would do any differently when being attacked from within by a minority group looking for more stuff than they already owned.


Right by your logic the US should have put into action the final solution because of that evil Martin Luther King fellow and the radical Black Panther terror groups who were responsible for all that was bad with the US.


These terror groups wanted to live out a text dream, to belong to a mythological group that would get to reconquer the Middle East in a new euro crusade.


Mythology has no arceological proof. Israel and the Jewish people are varifiably real.

And to trumpet the suffering of your own relatives - as if no one else suffered in this war where 80 million people perished - is a sign of bigotry, and not compassion.


Jews were targeted based on ethinicty not whether they posed a threat to Germany. The destruction of half its population, the raping and pillaging of Jewish homes by Germans and Nieghbors alike, the systematical plan to destroy the Jewish race cannot be compared to any other group aside the Romas. If the Germans won the war the French in due time would regain independence and drink wine and eat cheese while the Jews would be a memory. But I guess you would prefer it that way .

I could go on and on about how much my family suffered this and that war or from economic tyranny, but I won't because I - unlike many here - realize that there are many people who are much worse off than my family.

NO you really dont.


While many people are accused of scapegoating Jews for problems within their own societies, the public has often been lured (by commercial media and post-war propaganda) into scapegoating non-Jews for the violence, bigotry and radicalism of people within the Jewish community itself.

Jooooz Evil right Qats?
By Arbiter Azariah
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You're correct Muck, RESPECT isn't a straight-up environmentalist party, particularly due to Galloway's focus on anti-war issues, not to mention his personal 'issues.' However, I think it's perhaps safe to say they're the only British party in parliament with environmentalism as a 'core' value. Do correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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By Muck
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Well, yeah, they do place it as a foundation stone of their mandate, but I've never actually seen Galloway mention it in anything more than a passing comment, much like our three main parties. Personally, I think he was just looking for a word that begins with an 'E', and Environment certainly wasnt going to lose him any votes. The really sad thing is that, while Galloway may dress up in whichever attire will gain the most attention this month, his attendance record is nothing short of embarrassing, so even if you do credit him with Green credentials, our only environmental voice only gets aired at less than 10% of votes.
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By QatzelOk
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Oxy wrote:Jooooz Evil right Qats?


No, Oxy. In common Western discourse Germanz Evil. And then Ruzzianz evil. And lately, Muzlimz evil.

This is the level of infantile discourse. We attribute all the violence and death of both world wars to the Germanz. As if no one did anything to provoke any of their actions.

Ours is a cartoon-history. The evil Germanz with their evil language, versus Ann Frank and Tinkerbell.

I am attempting to mitigate this cartoon worldview by balancing it with another one that is equally biased and unbelievable in its simplicity.

I realize it's upsetting, but that's only because we have all been lead to accept the Germanz-evil discourse (and Muzlimz evil) by commercial media - among other sources.
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By Oxymoron
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No, Oxy. In common Western discourse Germanz Evil. And then Ruzzianz evil. And lately, Muzlimz evil.



The same can be said in reverese Germans didnt think kindly of their American Enemies or Russian enemies, the Soviets had as much propoganda about the West as was visa-versa. Same way Muslims dernounce western culture and demonize Americans. The same cannot be said of the Jews who are hated but mostly do not return the favour.

This is the level of infantile discourse. We attribute all the violence and death of both world wars to the Germanz. As if no one did anything to provoke any of their actions.


We only state the facts Germany responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews almost half the population and millions of others.

Ours is a cartoon-history. The evil Germanz with their evil language, versus Ann Frank and Tinkerbell.


Really I guess Shindler was an evil German, and Rommel is portrayed bvy history as a Nazi Thug, I think your confusing Nazis and Germans my friend.

I am attempting to mitigate this cartoon worldview by balancing it with another one that is equally biased and unbelievable in its simplicity.


Nice try covering your contempt of the Jewish race
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By QatzelOk
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Germans didnt think kindly of their American Enemies or Russian enemies, the Soviets had...

These are both in the past tense.

Anti-Islamic propaganda is current, so this isn't comparable.

What is interesting is how you compare modern Israeli/American propaganda to World-War-Two era propaganda from the Soviets nad Nazis.

These are comparable.

But the important distinction is that the Nazis and Soviets don't exist anymore, while Israel/America does.

And the hatred of "other" races is embedded in this propaganda which you defend so vigorously. You are actually defending racist propaganda by portraying your own "race" as the perpetual victims of it.

In this way, you are just like Hollywood.
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By Oxymoron
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These are both in the past tense.


So what was the last movie critical of todays Germans, I dont think Downfall was a movie about Merkel. Again your confusing Germany with Nazism.


Anti-Islamic propaganda is current, so this isn't comparable.


So is Anti American propaganda.

What is interesting is how you compare modern Israeli/American propaganda to World-War-Two era propaganda from the Soviets nad Nazis.These are comparable.



Thats not what I said Qatz.


ut the important distinction is that the Nazis and Soviets don't exist anymore, while Israel/America does.

So do the Muslims and their Madrassas calling for death to Israel death to America ans so forth.
And the hatred of "other" races is embedded in this propaganda which you defend so vigorously. You are actually defending racist propaganda by portraying your own "race" as the perpetual victims of it.


Seriously listen to yourself your the racist and self hater.


In this way, you are just like Hollywood.


And your like Bollywood nice song and dance but little substance.
By Tonic
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Qatz

An article you would like to read

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/view ... 79#1562379

Israeli Humorists Unwilling to Tiptoe Around Tragic Taboo

The Cameri Quintet wanted to show how the Holocaust is recruited for political purposes and emotional manip­ulation in order to justify what we are doing today. With all the pain involved, I don't think a disaster will occur if we re­duce the sacred aura of the Holocaust a little. Who knows, we may be able to learn a little more about ourselves and behave with greater sanity."

Gil Kopatch, too, thinks the memory of the Holocaust protects us and justi­fies our special rights as a persecuted people. "If we are really the free gener­ation that Herzl and Ben-Gurion wanted us to be, then we have to understand the basis of our paranoia and not try to evade it - and the basis of our paranoia is the feeling that the Germans are standing on the stairs and could burst in at any second."

Levy agrees that the paranoia we have developed as a direct result of the Holocaust is the foundation of the jus­tification for our existence here. "That's the reason we can somehow take the terrorist attacks, because we have nowhere else - in Europe the Nazis are waiting for us." According to Levy, an Israel that faces existential difficulties will not be able to exist without the memory of the Holocaust, which will necessitate maintaining that historical event as a lofty value, with the total negation of any satirical en­gagement.

"The moment you laugh at some­ thing, you transform it from something distant into something close to you, because a second ago you were laughing with it - and that is precisely what people are afraid to do here with the mem­ory of the Holocaust, because if the Holocaust becomes close, an everyday affair, we might suddenly realize that some of the conclusions we drew about it were incorrect, and that is liable to pull the ground from under the state. The point is that by subverting the Holocaust," says Levy, "you also subvert the existence of the State of Israel."


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By Donna
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Qatz, the milkshake historian, wrote:But the important distinction is that the Nazis and Soviets don't exist anymore, while Israel/America does.


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