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The rise of Golden Dawn is on the most uplifting stories in Europe today.

Unrepentant social nationalists building an alternative welfare network, making the people's struggles their own, whilst at the same time infiltrating the 'deep state' - the rest of Europe should learn from these Greek heroes.
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Oh as if they are trying that.

building an alternative welfare network, making the people's struggles their own, whilst at the same time infiltrating the 'deep state'


It sounds like what the left would be doing if we hadn't been infiltrated by middle class identity politics loving London types from the centre "left." Who care more about making everyone vegan than repealing Thatcher's anti trade union laws.



This might be the chance for you fascists to get up off the lowest rung of the political ladder, we are in no position to stop you.
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Otebo, thank you for this. That video gave me the chills - It's quite inspiring.

Many people have pointed out its faults, but there are so many positive aspects of this movement and its carefully coordinated rise. Michaloliakos seems to have a strategy, and thusfar it is working. The Golden Dawn deserves support and praise from the far-right across Europe, and I sincerely wish Apfel would develop further ties and monitor strategy for use by the NPD, although the situation in Germany both economic and legal (and other more sinister over-arching threats to sovereignty, although Greece has some of that as well)is different. The French Front National should also examine what it takes for a palingenetic, anti-capitalist, and revolutionary nationalist movement to get ahead without compromising core values. Their foreign policy orientation (away from puppet status of European states) is also pretty sound and coherent.

All I can say to those men and women standing with the Golden Dawn at such an important hour in modern Greek history is that they are pride of white people and the nationalists on every continent in a degenerate world increasingly being flushed down the sewer pipe by high finance. Don't stop until Greece is liberated rather than just remaining a "normal country", where the horrifying "norm" is to be a neoliberal colony.

More good stuff:


Golden Dawn: 'Greece belongs to Greeks. Long live victory!'

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It wasn't just that their symbols looked like swastikas. Or that thousands of Greek flags filled the marble square beneath the Acropolis. Or that they were marking the 560th anniversary of the fall of Constantinople.

It was that there were so many of them. Angry men and angry women furiously screaming "Greece belongs to Greeks" in the heart of ancient Athens, as tourists – some befuddled, some shocked – looked on or fled at the sight of neo-Nazis coming to town.

"Now we are in the thousands," thundered Nikos Michaloliakos, the bespectacled mathematician who leads Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party. "Long live victory!"

Like the soldiers on whom they model themselves, the Greeks who subscribe to the ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist dogma of Golden Dawn are the first to say they are at war. This week, as Antonis Samaras's coalition government struggled to contain an escalating crisis over efforts to curb the extremists, it was they who appeared to be winning that war.


Amid a dramatic surge in attacks on immigrants blamed on the neo-Nazis, the debt-stricken country's ruling alliance has come under unprecedented pressure to crack down on racially motivated crimes. Legislation calling for a ban on parties perceived to incite such violence was proposed by prime minister Samaras's two junior leftist partners last month. Claiming that it would "victimise" Golden Dawn, which has 18 of the 300 MPs in parliament, the conservative groups last week rejected the bill as counterproductive. On Friday they put forward their own, less punitive law.

As parliament prepares to debate how best to apply legislation that will curb the party, – measures that have unexpectedly electrified the political scene – the far right is flourishing in the knowledge that, in a country reeling from the twin ills of austerity and despair, it is they who are in the ascendant. Since elections last year, Golden Dawn's appeal has almost doubled, with successive polls showing support of between 11% and 12% for the neo-fascists. Privately pollsters acknowledge that, as Greece's third-strongest and fastest-growing political force, the group could garner as much as 15% of support in local elections next year.

"It is wrong to believe that they are an ephemeral phenomenon," said Professor Dimitris Kerides, who teaches political science at Athens' Panteion University. "They are not only a product of this country's economic crisis. There is something sick in Greek society that Golden Dawn expresses," he added, referring to the rise in "Greek-only" blood banks and food rallies organised by the extremists. "They are here to stay. And as of 2014 they are going to be everywhere, with access to state resources because, for sure, they will win seats in municipal elections and, in some towns, place mayors."

Emboldened by success, the neo-Nazis have become ever more visible. Across Greece, party branches have been opened at a record pace, with pupils actively recruited in schools. In villages, black-clad supporters proudly sporting the party's insignia have proliferated, and in the southern Peloponnese, traditionally a stronghold of the right, Golden Dawn graffiti are scrawled over the roads and even rocks that dot the landscape of seaside resorts and archaeological sites.

Racially motivated violence has soared to such a degree that European officials blasted Greece for failing to take adequate action. Nils Muižnieks, the European commissioner for human rights, recently felt moved to point out that democracy was at risk in the birthplace of democracy because of "the upsurge in hate crime and a weak state response". It was vital, he said, that domestic and international anti-racism laws were enforced to crack down on violence that had been "linked to members or supporters, including parliamentarians, of the neo-Nazi political party Golden Dawn".

The Greek police and justice systems – both of which have been accused of colluding with the extremists – also had to be reformed, he said.

Indicative of the far right's growing political grip, the conservatives fear that legislation proposed by their leftwing partners will further alienate traditional voters who have migrated to Golden Dawn in disgust at the political establishment blamed for the country's crisis. The party's spectacular rise has been attributed, in part, to defections from the Greek orthodox church and the army.

"The whole thing is a mess," said Dimitris Psarras, an investigative journalist who has followed the group since its incipiency on the collapse of military rule in 1974. "Even if the law is passed, the message that is conveyed is that democracy is divided in knowing what to do with this neo-Nazi threat." For too long, said Psarras, Greeks had watched with complacency as the far-right group went from strength to strength.

Just as in Weimar Germany, when Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' party rose from obscurity, opponents have remained eerily quiet. Until last week, when the 92-year-old poet Nanos Valaoritis deplored Golden Dawn as "having all the characteristics of the party which led Germany to destruction", few in Greece's political or intellectual elite had been willing to take on the extremists.

The lack of public debate has added to the mystique of an organisation whose workings remain opaque. The local media appears to have missed the story of Golden Dawn. To this day, the party's financial backers and advisers remain shrouded in secrecy.

"Few in the establishment have openly addressed the danger of Golden Dawn and almost no one in the media has looked into it," lamented Psarras. "Only now is it being taken seriously, but in my mind that could be too late."

Capitalising on the deep wells of antipathy towards mainstream politicians, the far right has begun targeting the middle class. In recent months Golden Dawn offices have appeared in affluent areas around Athens.

Greece's petit bourgeoisie of shopkeepers and small businessmen has, like civil servants, suffered most from crushing budget cuts demanded by the EU and IMF in return for emergency aid.


In an atmosphere thick with resentment and rage, immigrants from Asia and Africa have made easy scapegoats, with growing numbers of Greeks blaming foreigners for the country's record rate of unemployment – at over 27%, the worst in the eurozone.

"Anger always wants a target," said the prominent clinical psychologist, Dr Iphigenia Macri. "Golden Dawn provides a target, which is immigrants. It is targeting all that anger and sense of abuse that, collectively, Greek people feel at the hands of the government and state."

In a bid to keep passions at bay among a population that reached boiling point long ago, the government has desperately tried to convince Greeks that, three years after the onset of their worst crisis in modern times, there is "light at the end of the tunnel". Optimism has been propelled by economic progress.

However, the neo-Nazis' rise defies any notion that all is well. "The victorious party is Golden Dawn," said political commentator Nikos Xydakis. "Real life is very removed from the success story the government is selling. The neo-Nazis have succeeded not only in demystifying brutality; they are a reflection of the fear and poverty in this country."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/01/greece-golden-dawn-violence-eu-crisis



Needless to say what Professor Kerides describes as "sick" I define as "beautiful".

Note the reference to the ongoing construction of a middle-class movement, which deserves more heaps of praise for putting fascist principle into action.

Could Greece be the first land on Earth to be liberated from a disease of the mind which has gripped it and driven the best of civilization into the gutter since '45?
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Unrepentant social nationalists building an alternative welfare network


For those they like the look of.

making the people's struggles their own


Well if that were true they would be attacking the rich, capitalists, the institutions of the state, are they doing that ............................. No they're attacking poor brown people.

the rest of Europe should learn from these Greek heroes.


The rest of Europe should eliminate them before they gain more power.

It sounds like what the left would be doing if we hadn't been infiltrated by middle class identity politics loving London types from the centre "left."


And what exactly are you doing Decky. "Middle Class Leftys" are the ones who set up credit unions, community groups etc, not just grumble down the working mens club, bookies, job centre that the union/labour hasn't done anything for them lately.
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Damn Greeks have been emigrating all over the world for the last 200yrs, flogging cheap suites and soggy kebabs. They have some cheek to turn around now and start blaming all their problems on immigrants. Maybe if they had paid their taxes they wouldn't be in half the mess they are.
It doesn't matter anyway. The more popular the GDParty becomes the more corrupt and misled its leaders will become with bribes and influence until it's just like any other mainstream party obeying their corporate lobbying masters.
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Decky wrote:This might be the chance for you fascists to get up off the lowest rung of the political ladder, we are in no position to stop you.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. It is only a matter of time before you abandon international Marxism and embrace socialism of a more, err...national variety. I've seen you making comments about the Islamification of British cities recently. You are heading in the right direction, Decky.

Far-Right Sage wrote:Needless to say what Professor Kerides describes as "sick" I define as "beautiful".


Hear hear!

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Goldberk wrote:Well if that were true they would be attacking the rich, capitalists, the institutions of the state, are they doing that ............................. No they're attacking poor brown people.


They are doing both. Golden Dawn are fiercely opposed to the system of international finance capital and the plutocracy. They attack both the cause of mass migration and the symptoms of it. Making Greece as uncomfortable as possible for third world colonists is a tactic to deal with the existing reality on the ground and to win public support. It doesn't mean that Golden Dawn are ignoring the bigger issue.

The Golden Dawn wrote:The biggest fear of the Regime caused by the appearance of our Movement isn't the defeat of the right-wing nationalist myth, it is the evacuation, the mass, final and irrevocable shift of the Greek Workers from the hold of the Left, towards the arms of the revolutionary Greek Social Nationalism!! The People's Nationalist Movement proclaimed, from the first moment of its political activity, the full support and protection of Greek workers. It was the slogan "Jobs for the Greek Worker" that rocked the streets of Athens by the mid 90's until today, making the leaders of the Left to lose their sleep. And while we , the Nationalists, fought from the outset against the invasion of foreigners in our workplaces, the unfortunate Marxists rushed to side with smuggled immigrants, essentially serving the interests of the capitalists. And even though earlier the Marxist propaganda wanted the immigrants to participate in the "economic bloom" of Greece and support her funds, the economic collapse of 2010 came to dissolve this Internationalist myth.

But who was the actual beneficiary of the massive foreign invasion of our country? That would undoubtedly be the Capitalist class, especially the big contractors, those that danced upon wasting the money of the People for the Olympic Games of 2004. We said it then and we shout it now with all the power of our Soul: The Left seeks to be the pimp of the Labor Movement, so that she can impoverish it by pushing it towards the claws of international capitalism. The enemy is not a class enemy, it is a National enemy!

The Leftist pseudo-intellectual will never understand the agony of the Greek Worker that lost his job and watches his family starve. The Leftist "rebel" will never understand the fear of the Greek Worker, who is a prisoner of the interests of the predatory banking mechanism. And he will never understand, because he was never a Greek Worker to begin with. The leftist was given privilege by the state of rottenness and corruption, in contrast to the hard working Greek. The dominance of the red plague across the state mechanism is anything but random. Open your eyes and look around: The elite of the Regime is red, yes! The "socialist comrades" are the Regime itself! That's why the Marxist status quo joined PASOK. They don't wish for the destruction of the Regime - they intend not only to maintain, but also to expand the corrupt Regime forever!!

And while the Greek Workers tremble before the fear of unemployment and economical death, the main worry of the Left are the "rights" of the illegal immigrants. The Greek Worker's table was empty, but they and their capitalist associates were by the side of the people that came illegally here, emptied the funds and dissolved the social fabric, drove the Greeks to unemployment and helped to increase the profit of the Capitalists.

Under the guide of The People's wealth returns to the People Program, we organized - and will keep on organizing - food drives towards compatriots that really need it. With the Jobs for Greeks Program, we manage to relieve the pain of compatriots that suffer from unemployment. With the Greek Blood Bank Program, we fulfill a duty to the Race, giving the holiest of our goods to the Greek people. THIS IS OUR SOCIALISM!

In a political level, we give daily a battle to crush the Regime of degeneracy, against all those that seek the sale out of our Country and the extermination of out People. We seek the Punishment of the traitors, we fight to construct a New National State able to meet the demands of the future, built upon the foundations of a glorious past. Golden Dawn from the People, Golden Dawn with the People, Golden Dawn for the People!! THIS IS OUR NATIONALISM!
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Otebo wrote:Unrepentant social nationalists building an alternative welfare network, making the people's struggles their own, whilst at the same time infiltrating the 'deep state'


Social nationalists??? Dont you mean national socialists IE Nazi's?
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They are doing both


No. They are supported by the deep state, and some capitalists, they scapegoat, blaming immigrants for capitalisms failings. Are they redistributing private property? are they fighting the police to stop evictions? No, they are not any form of socialists but reactionary capitalists.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. It is only a matter of time before you abandon international Marxism and embrace socialism of a more, err...national variety. I've seen you making comments about the Islamification of British cities recently. You are heading in the right direction, Decky.


Nonsense, what part of that is not consistent with Marxist-Leninism? I know I harp on about it a lot but there is noting right wing about the Soviet Unions anti Islamic push (Uzbekistan anti Veil campaign etc ).

I have all the tools I need right here on the left.

And what exactly are you doing Decky. "Middle Class Leftys" are the ones who set up credit unions, community groups etc, not just grumble down the working mens club, bookies, job centre that the union/labour hasn't done anything for them lately.




Belittling the working class and their pursuits, you truly are a middle class London "leftie."

I guess they should be at the local vegan parade handing out Lib Dem leaflets and running workshops on how to be fancy gentlemen.
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The rest of Europe should eliminate them before they gain more power.


They already had their chance to stop them, instead they choose continuous mass immigration. Yet in the face of what the right has been warning of, they continue mass immigration as we speak. It will get worse.
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Golden Dawn won 18 of the 300 MPs in parliament last year but the party still does not have enough political power to change the course of Greek history. The rise of the far-right party could be a one-off phenomenon but the high levels of street violence cannot be ignored and the ruling parties have come up with a new bill to restore peace to the streets of Athens, which would add stricter jail time and fines for inciting and carrying out racist attacks. The Greek government also must remove the root cause of the party's popularity by deporting illegal immigrants at the same time and the party's rise has been attributed to defections from the Greek orthodox church and the army.
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This is precisely why I have said on numerous occasions that I want censorship, I want the far-right to be stifled, I want more events akin to the mayor of Athens ordering city police to bust up a food distribution drive for wanting citizens. Let them suppress the Golden Dawn, let the federal government (in Germany) constitutionally ban NPD, and let French or European supranational authorities arrest Marine Le Pen (whose Front National admittedly needs work and tuning).

The far-right will continue to go deeper, work in the shadows, get beneath the skin before bubbling back up to the surface tenfold, as it once was before the most beautiful revolution Europe had yet seen, and groups of all ideological stripes have made work lately, including the Muslim Brotherhood's activities in social work and prison activism under Mubarak's suppression in Egypt.

If it doesn't work, start killing fascists and anyone vaguely associated with the far-right. I challenge the liberal state to do exactly this. It has certainly worked with Islamists.

Goldberk wrote:Are they redistributing private property?


Are they passing legislation to bar migrants? They obviously do not have the power (currently) to do any such thing, so that is a bit preposterous.

It just comes down to the fact that Marxian socialists and the anarchist left (anarcho-communists as well as anarcho-syndicalists influenced by a far-left interpretation of Sorel, the CNT, Bakunin, Chomsky, and others, which I believe you belong to the school of) view any movement which does not support the complete abolition of the class structure, radical egalitarianism, and the liquidation of the middle class as an entity (preferring to bust and whittle them down to proletariat) as capitalist. It's akin to true-believers of the liberal and libertarian (a more naked variant of liberal) hypercapitalist camp arguing that fascism and communism are the same because the two are collectivist.

In any event, it's a losing strategy as the average people not bathed in a far-left perspective can see the difference. Golden Dawn is slowly but surely replacing the KKE - the oldest political party in Greece and one of the oldest communist parties in Europe founded one year after the October Revolution - as the primary voice of popular opposition to the liberal Greek state.
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The far-right has been the most successful in Greece because in conditions of crisis, the naked expression of what neoliberalism means for a nation and its people has become clearest in the Greek mind. Can the people who practically laid the cornerstone for all European civilization (at least in the epoch which is known to us), one of the "oldest" countries in Europe stand for this? This is the true face of neoliberalism:


The Emir of Qatar snaps up six Greek islands for the bargain price of £7.3m

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The Emir of Qatar has snapped up six Greek islands for the bargain price of just £7.35 million.

One of the world's richest men, Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, fell in love with the islands in the Ionian Sea four years ago and after 18 months of wrangling has convinced the eurozone's poorest country to sell the idyllic isles as a job lot.

The privately-owned islands, known as the Echinades, had been put up for sale as crisis-hit nationals struggled with the high real estate taxes imposed on them by the state.

The islands are just one opportunity to own a slice of Greek paradise. The government has also put swathes of land on Corfu and Rhodes up for a sale in a bid to tackle its debts and encourage private companies to develop tourist resorts.

However, holidaymakers looking for the chance to rub shoulders with the rich and famous on the Echinades will be disappointed.

The Emir, who first discovered the islands when he moored his super yacht off the coast of Ithaca, has no plans to develop tourism and is instead reportedly looking to build a series of palaces for his three wives and 24 children.


Despite losing out on future tourism revenue, locals are said to be pleased with the purchase as it comes with a promise from the Emir's people to build a pipeline and provide affordable water to the island of Ithaca.

The Emir and his family are expected to moor their yachts off the Ithaca coast again this summer and the island's mayor Ioannis Kassianos said he hopes the rich guests will venture on land to visit the local restaurants.

There are 18 islands that make up the Echinades which are famed for their pristine beaches, pine forests and olive orchards. Locals believe the Emir is eventually hoping to buy all 18.

Greece is hoping the Emir's interest in its islands will convert into financial help for the bankrupt state.

Three years ago he pledged to invest €5 billion in the country's real estate and tourism markets, propping up airports and harbours. However, due to bureaucracy in Greece, he pulled out of the project.

However, after a recent visit by Greek prime minister Antonis Samaras to Doha, Qatar has shown interest in developing the former international airport Elliniko, near Athens, and even purchasing hotels.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2288347/Emir-Qatar-buys-Greek-islands-bargain-price-7-3m.html



When man's God is money, this is the degeneracy which ensues - Literally selling a nation off piece by piece and importing foreigners. Al-Qaeda deserves more respect.
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Are they passing legislation to bar migrants? They obviously do not have the power (currently) to do any such thing, so that is a bit preposterous.


Their street presence could be put to work preventing evictions and repossessions.

view any movement which does not support the complete abolition of the class structure, radical egalitarianism, and the liquidation of the middle class as an entity (preferring to bust and whittle them down to proletariat) as capitalist.


The thing is, any movement that keeps the core of capitalism intact, private property, rigid class structure etc, is preserving capitalism.

Golden Dawn is slowly but surely replacing the KKE - the oldest political party in Greece and one of the oldest communist parties in Europe founded one year after the October Revolution - as the primary voice of popular opposition to the liberal Greek state.


This is happening across europe and is testament to the lefts demise because of post-modern infection,

Don't get me wrong I despise fascism, but actually deep down I have to admit to being more comfortable with it than the existential malaise of post modern liberalism.
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FRS wrote:When man's God is money, this is the degeneracy which ensues - Literally selling a nation off piece by piece and importing foreigners. Al-Qaeda deserves more respect.

The islands were previously owned by other private individuals who have decided to sell. In fact, some of them have been trying to sell these islands for decades but couldn't find a buyer.
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Goldberk wrote:Their street presence could be put to work preventing evictions and repossessions.


This is true, and they need to be doing more and more of it as their party branches proliferate across Greece (as the article above indicated, outside of Athens and the major cities, they are now a very visible force in the southern Peloponnese). It is worth noting that they are taking some action in a similar vein, including passing out lamb and bread to Greeks in desperate need. The thing of it is that the Golden Dawn's ascent, and likely its activities and involvement with social and economic activism and pushback is intended to be slow and methodical - As Michaloliakos is a former mathematician, I have no doubt he places faith in this approach. The clashes with immigrants and shops hosting them is a populistic issue which the Golden Dawn wouldn't be engaged in if it didn't garner public sympathy and support from people who are just tired of seeing foreigners when they can't even eat.

Goldberk wrote:The thing is, any movement that keeps the core of capitalism intact, private property, rigid class structure etc, is preserving capitalism.


Well, doesn't this just come down to the core of the ideological divide, which is that communists and Marxian socialists don't believe there is an alternative to communism or capitalism, whereas fascists do?

Goldberk wrote:This is happening across europe and is testament to the lefts demise because of post-modern infection,

Don't get me wrong I despise fascism, but actually deep down I have to admit to being more comfortable with it than the existential malaise of post modern liberalism.


I know the feeling quite well. My disgust with and antipathy toward these great international liars and plunderers is such that I am beginning to feel able to summon more respect for communists and Islamists than them.

Kaiserschmarrn wrote:The islands were previously owned by other private individuals who have decided to sell. In fact, some of them have been trying to sell these islands for decades but couldn't find a buyer.


That whole islands could be privately owned in the first place whether by a Greek national or foreigner really cuts to the core of the problem though.

Allowing an Arab oligarchic sheikh to build gilded palaces on fertile and beautiful land which should be a playground for all Greeks as protected national territory just puts the foul curdled icing on the cake.
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So you believe that the emir of Qatar owning Greek land which he intends to build a string of palaces across rather than nationalizing the islands and allowing domestic tourism (however meager its economic contribution) to flourish is an acceptable course of action?

Once again however, whether the owner is Greek or foreign, I do not believe whole islands should be owned by private individuals.
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I don't particularly care whether the Emir of Qatar or a Greek living in the US (who sold 5 smaller islands to the Emir) owns the islands. It's not like islands are in short supply for domestic (and foreign) tourists.

What is the difference between owning an island and some real estate on the Greek mainland?
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I do care - We'll chalk it up to a supreme difference in values on a fundamental level then.

Of course sizable land monopolies on the Greek mainland as in any country need to be looked into, but I don't wish to turn this into a lengthy discussion about land reform and redistribution in general.
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