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By Zamuel
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annatar1914 wrote:President Trump will easily win re-election by a huge margin, and will likely get the Congress and Supreme Court he and his faction want into office. It is almost sad if it wasn't happening to such awful people, what is going on now and will be going on even more in the future.

Changing horses in midstream now are you? (not recommended).

annatar1914 wrote:The Big Bosses are wrapping that all up, you see, it doesn't work for them anymore and they'll be dropping the mask shortly.

You do like to complicate things, don't you?

Zam
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Changing horses in midstream now are you? (not recommended).


I neither have a horse in this race-which helps give me a certain objectivity-nor am I changing anything. The Democrats are going to be slaughtered during the Mid-Term elections.


You do like to complicate things, don't you?


On the contrary, life, and not myself, is rather complicated. Deal with it or don't deal with it it's not my affair. I don't like people that call for or allude the assassinations of other countries leaders as much as my own, such people are frankly scum to me, so take my measure of you into account in your future postings should you decide to reply to something of mine.
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By Zamuel
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annatar1914 wrote:On the contrary, life, and not myself, is rather complicated. Deal with it or don't deal with it it's not my affair. I don't like people that call for or allude the assassinations of other countries leaders as much as my own, such people are frankly scum to me, so take my measure of you into account in your future postings should you decide to reply to something of mine.


I'm afraid the assassination of Putin is becoming more and more a possibility. He's certainly inspired plenty of revenge seekers and Russian patriots all over are realizing he is Czar and will never relinquish power voluntarily. His removal is Russia's only hope for breaking the deadlock they have entered.

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Zam
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Totally loathsome, totally beyond the pale.

I'm afraid the assassination of Putin is becoming more and more a possibility.


You're not ''afraid'' of something like that, you positively relish it. Behind that veneer of affability and ''humor'' (because you're about as funny as someone's mom getting bone cancer or kicking a kitten to death) you're just another bundle of raw emotions and passions as most other liberals are.

He's certainly inspired plenty of revenge seekers


''revenge'' is something that cuts both ways. A person starts talking about taking down the Russian State and the Russian Nation, that's my blood you're talking about, my family, and blood calls for blood when defending one's people and one's faith.


and Russian patriots all over are realizing he is Czar and will never relinquish power voluntarily.


Stupid, totally stupid. You must know close to nothing about Russian culture and history. Russian patriots are the reason why he's in power, and as long as he continues to serve Russia, he will remain in the post he is well suited for.

His removal is Russia's only hope for breaking the deadlock they have entered.


What ''deadlock''? Russia is a Anvil that has worn out or broken many hammers, and will break this one too. You'll see.

Kindly refrain, btw, from responding to my posts in the future, and I will do the same for you. Life is too short to waste.
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By Zamuel
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annatar1914 wrote:Russian patriots are the reason why he's in power, and as long as he continues to serve Russia, he will remain in the post he is well suited for.

Russian oligarchs are the reason he is in power and the Russian people are growing tired of the bloodsuckers.

What ''deadlock''? Russia is a Anvil that has worn out or broken many hammers, and will break this one too. You'll see.

The one that slowly drains Russian military authority as it strains to meet the demands upon it to retain Putin's conquests and and protect his feeble ally. Not to mention the failure of his attempts to neutralize crippling sanctions.

Kindly refrain, btw, from responding to my posts in the future,

Sorry, no free rides. The drivel you've been posting requires truthful answer.

and I will do the same for you.

No you won't, you don't have the will power. Nor the resources to poison all those who resist.

Zam
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Russiagate Is An American Story
What the Mueller investigation continually reveals is the extent of everyday corruption in US business and politics.

When the staff of the New York Times and Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize last month for their reporting on the Trump campaign’s alleged Russia ties, there was one striking detail about the winning articles: how few of the reporters involved were Russia correspondents. Almost all the pieces were written by reporters in New York City and Washington, DC, with the occasional additional reporting credit from Moscow.

This might seem surprising, but it shouldn’t, because Russiagate isn’t really a story about Russia. The perception that it is fuels public misunderstanding and furthers an unhelpful narrative in which Russia is held responsible for America’s deep-seated domestic political problems. That narrative, regardless of whether one embraces it (think Rachel Maddow) or rejects it (think Glenn Greenwald), misses the point of what the careful, sober, primarily US-based reporting on Russiagate actually tells us about the biggest political scandal in recent history.

In July 2017, Joshua Yaffa reported from Moscow for the New Yorker on what reputable Russian journalists made of the Trump-Russia story. “I spoke to more than a half-dozen of them, all of whom found themselves in some way bemused, frustrated, or disappointed in the way that the US press has covered Putin and Russia,” Yaffa wrote. The interviewees accused the US media, not inaccurately, of fomenting conspiracy theories, exaggerating Vladimir Putin’s degree of control over the Russian state, jumping to conclusions about the identity and motivations of Russian hackers, and other journalistic failures. But conspicuously, none of them seemed to have much to say about the scandal itself.

And why would they? The truth is that most of what Russiagate entails took place in the United States, and most of the important characters in the story are American. What the Mueller investigation continually reveals is the extent of everyday corruption in US business and politics — corruption that often connects to Russian actors but is also distinctly American in origin.

Consider the recent reporting on Michael Cohen’s shady business dealings. On the one hand, this is clearly a Russiagate story — while serving as Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer, Cohen appears to have maintained associations with Russian mobsters, and he is now a subject of Robert Mueller’s investigation. On the other hand, like many other Russiagate stories, this one takes place mainly in New York City, where it was reported, and it concerns taxi medallions and real estate deals that are far removed from allegations of direct collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence.

None of this has stopped mainstream media outlets from encouraging panic about Russia, often with a xenophobic undertone. But while hyperbolic words and foreboding images of Putin’s face, Soviet flags, and St. Basil’s Cathedral may dominate cable news and magazine covers, diligent reporters based mainly in the US have been doing the real work to expose a complex political corruption scandal in which, while Russian intelligence clearly played a significant role, the prime culprits are almost all Americans. Skepticism of Russiagate has abated as new details emerge almost daily, most of which are deeply informed by sources within the US.

To be sure, for years reporters in Russia have risked their lives and freedom to document what is happening there — how a network of oligarchs, mobsters, and state institutions have worked to spread disinformation across the world and to wage war against and otherwise destabilize Russia’s neighbors. Russia and the US have both experienced skyrocketing inequality and elite corruption over the past several decades, and as I’ve argued elsewhere, these shared experiences indicate fatal weaknesses in the global economic order the US has long championed. In due course, we will gain a fuller understanding of how the Russian and American stories intersected in 2016. But getting there will require reexamining what American elites have been permitted to get away with.

Russiagate fills Americans with anxiety because it undermines a widely held core faith that the US is a sovereign superpower and a functioning democracy. The events of 2016, however, suggest we’re not so different from the dozens of countries around the world in which US intelligence has covertly supported one political faction over another, often with devastating results.

It wasn’t really news that Russian agents operate within the US and try to establish links with wealthy and influential Americans, nor that Russian hackers routinely make mischief on social media networks. The real news was that these tactics might have swayed a presidential election. But they certainly did not create the political system in which an unqualified ignoramus like Trump, surrounded by an entourage of amoral mediocrities, could rise to the head of the Republican Party, and from there to the White House. Surely Putin was as surprised as anyone else at just how rotten the foundations of US politics had become by 2016.

“For more than six months now, Russia has served as a crutch for the American imagination,” wrote the Russian-American journalist Masha Gessen in March 2017. “It is used to explain how Trump could have happened to us, and it is also called upon to give us hope. When the Russian conspiracy behind Trump is finally fully exposed, our national nightmare will be over.” Gessen was skeptical that Russiagate would amount to anything, and that skepticism doesn’t hold up very well a year later. But her warning about conspiratorial and magical thinking does, and her larger point — that Americans are responsible for the array of institutional failures that led to the Trump presidency — is worth heeding.

Russiagate is fundamentally a story about crimes committed in America by Americans. It will be American journalists who expose most of its details, American officials who must be held responsible, and American voters who will have to make sure that they are.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidklion/rus ... pkXgJ3QKrW
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By Hong Wu
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@skinster's article is another thing people haven't gotten to discussing is how do you stop something on the level of internet trolling and clickable webpage ads? The answer of course is that you can't. So if Russiagate was real, it would basically mark the end of America because there's no stopping such things.

The reality I think is that certain people want the end of America. They pretty much say this openly part of the time and maybe Russiagate can (or has?) become a code word for that.

Unfortunately, the article itself read like it was trying to agree with every side at once. Sad!
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Zamuel wrote:I'm afraid the assassination of Putin is becoming more and more a possibility.

annatar1914 reads you exactly on this. There isn't an ounce of fear in that statement. Rather, it's a fig of hope. The neoliberals went too far and they are the ones in trouble--it is their project that is getting rejected. It's not just Putin, but the working classes in the US and Europe that have had enough of the neoliberal/neoconservative game.

Zamuel wrote:He's certainly inspired plenty of revenge seekers and Russian patriots all over are realizing he is Czar and will never relinquish power voluntarily.

He already relinquished power voluntarily during Medvedev's rule, and regained it once again.

Zamuel wrote:His removal is Russia's only hope for breaking the deadlock they have entered.

I'm sure they are just fine with this "deadlock" you think Russia has entered. The greed of capitalists will drive the removal of sanctions faster than Russia's desire to adopt the fucked up mores of the West in its recent embodiments. In fact, that's why it's hard to isolate Iran with a country like Germany so dependent upon exports.

Hong Wu wrote:Is it just me or are they actually laying the groundwork to allege that Mueller is compromised by the Russians?

The problem in selecting Mueller--they thought he was a natural bi-partisan choice--is that Mueller was complicit in the Uranium One deal and also had ties to some of the same Russian oligarch's were now supposed to find sinister. If Cohen has ties to them, it's horrible, but if Mueller has ties to the exact same ones, well that's okay. The bottom line is that the establishment's story doesn't wash.

Zamuel wrote:Russian oligarchs are the reason he is in power and the Russian people are growing tired of the bloodsuckers.

Putin is immensely popular. By putting sanctions on Russia, the Russian government can simply blame the US for any problems its citizens are having economically.

Igor Antunov wrote:Clintonites engineered the fake investigation months before the election.

They apparently did so months before the Trump quip about the Russians finding Hillary's email, which tells you that they did have an FBI mole in his campaign--and they still found nothing. This is the obvious set of machinations of a faction that remained in power by infiltrating both parties and controlling who got to be on the ballot in either party so they always remained in control.
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By Zamuel
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blackjack21 wrote:annatar1914 reads you exactly on this. There isn't an ounce of fear in that statement. Rather, it's a fig of hope. The neoliberals went too far and they are the ones in trouble--it is their project that is getting rejected. It's not just Putin, but the working classes in the US and Europe that have had enough of the neoliberal/neoconservative game.

Really, and then Thor appears and says what?

He already relinquished power voluntarily during Medvedev's rule, and regained it once again.

Next you'll be telling me about how, on the 3rd day, he arose from the grave !

The greed of capitalists will drive the removal of sanctions faster than Russia's desire to adopt the fucked up mores of the West

The greed of American capitalists has a few more months before the sun comes out and they burst into flame. The greed of Russian capitalists drives them to depose your savior or wither away with him.

The problem in selecting Mueller--they thought he was a natural bi-partisan choice--is that Mueller was complicit in the Uranium One deal and also had ties to some of the same Russian oligarch's were now supposed to find sinister.

Is that all you got, feeble insinuations about Mueller?

Putin is immensely popular. By putting sanctions on Russia, the Russian government can simply blame the US for any problems its citizens are having economically.

Putin is a dead fish on display that is starting to smell. kind of hard to blame the stink on anything else. The Russians aren't that stupid. His best move is to try and buddy up with Marcon. Even the Frenchman isn't THAT stupid. He's still trying to get Trump's taste out of his mouth.

So … Trump to the rescue ? I don't think so.

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By jimjam
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The Trump Swamp is proving to be endless. Every day we get a new list of sex and greed to entertain us. Today a new law suit involving another Trump thinking with his dick story ............ Trump signing a letter of intent during the campaign to build some garish piece of shit in Moscow after declaring he had no skin in the Russia game ............. Manafort's former son in law turning. And something else that I can't remember because the list just keeps growing.

And now Rudi "No Neck" Giuliani ............... the latest side show in the Trump circus........... remarkably entertaining.

Oh, and let's not forget Kim what's his name in N.Korea pulling a Trump on Trump :lol:
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Yes, the Democrats are so devoid of rational policy all they can do is dig up old sex allegations. How many times will it take before you see the pattern? What does this have to do with running a country?
Even the Democrats are fed up with the DNC not having a platform. They are divided in the primaries. I disagree with the extremists in the party, but at least they have some policies even if they are ridiculous.
All the DNC has is old sex allegations every time.
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jimjam wrote:Trump is overseeing/facilitating a massive transfer of wealth from the bottom 90% to the top 10% behind a subterfuge of macho hot air and nonsense about building walls.

This is the sort of statement I find absolutely mystifying. The Tea Party, which is why Trump is president, arose because a bi-partisan faction repealed Glass-Steagal and promoted loaning money to people who couldn't afford to repay--i.e., the Community Reinvestment Act and the subprime market; blew a massive real estate bubble which burst; and then, bailed out the very very rich at the expense of the working and middle classes. This occurred starting under Bill Clinton, swelled and burst under Bush and the rich bailed out unde Obama. In other words, this massive wealth transfer from the bottom 90% to the top 10% already occurred. It's a fait accompli. Trump had nothing to do with it.

In effect, you are asking me to be afraid of something that has already happened.

Those of us who like Trump see beyond the Democrats and Republicans and the media games.

annatar1914 wrote:Bottom line is, back to Trump and ''Russiagate'', this whole slab of unedifying nonsense serves only to complete the transformation of America into something neither one of us really wants, I think. Best perhaps to just look after our own, the ride is going to get really bumpy.

Agreed, and I believe it has to. America has seen its enemy, and it's Washington.

annatar1914 wrote:The Democrats are going to be slaughtered during the Mid-Term elections.

That remains to be seen, but it isn't looking glorious for them right now.

jimjam wrote:The Trump Swamp is proving to be endless. Every day we get a new list of sex and greed to entertain us.

Well then in your case, Mueller's efforts have been a success. If there was a presumption that Trump did something illegal, that has fallen by the wayside. The real purpose of Mueller's investigation was always political and it is too obvious by half. The thing is, in spite of the Mueller investigation, Trump's popularity is increasing. After pushing transgender bathrooms and calling anyone who disagrees a bigot--states like California boycotting cities like Raleigh, NC--they can no longer make Trump playing with porn stars seem salacious. Even when we told you the Democrats had jumped the shark, nobody wanted to listen. This game has lost its luster.

One Degree wrote:Yes, the Democrats are so devoid of rational policy all they can do is dig up old sex allegations. How many times will it take before you see the pattern? What does this have to do with running a country?

That's the question I ask myself. What does this have to do with the price of my health insurance or my tax bills? Basically, nothing. What does it have to do with American foreign policy? Evidently, nothing as well. It was just cooked up by a bunch of fools in Washington who think they are a lot smarter than they really are.
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By jimjam
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blackjack21 wrote:This is the sort of statement I find absolutely mystifying. The Tea Party, which is why Trump is president, arose because a bi-partisan faction repealed Glass-Steagal and promoted loaning money to people who couldn't afford to repay--i.e., the Community Reinvestment Act and the subprime market; blew a massive real estate bubble which burst; and then, bailed out the very very rich at the expense of the working and middle classes. This occurred starting under Bill Clinton, swelled and burst under Bush and the rich bailed out unde Obama. In other words, this massive wealth transfer from the bottom 90% to the top 10% already occurred. It's a fait accompli. Trump had nothing to do with it.


the examples are too numerous to mention as it is a beautiful day and I am getting ready to go jogging by the river. I will just mention one of my favorites: the recent "tax reform" which was nothing but a trillion dollar plus whack on the US treasury gave rich folks and corporate America a big gift while, strictly as a smoke screen, granting chicken feed to the people. Not two weeks later Paul Ryan comes along to inform us that there doesn't seem to be enough $ in the treasury to fund SS and medicare. He advised the peons to have more babies ............ :eek: :lol:
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By jimjam
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One Degree wrote:all they can do is dig up old sex allegations


Um .......... i think there are a few other items under discussion. At least you spared us the nonsense: "The only reason for all this is that they are pissed off that Trump won." That one was getting a little old.

ps. these old allegations are not somehow ok simply because they are old. They are illustrative of the fact that a pervert is living in the White House and we can expect ............ perverted behavior from our POTUS. And one indication of such perversion is Donald's LPD rating of 6 lies per day. Another great example Is his using the power of the presidency not to further the interests of America's citizens but to punish people he considers his "enemies" (Nixon redux :eek: ) ............. ie. Jeff Bezos.
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By Zamuel
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jimjam wrote:a pervert is living in the White House and we can expect ............ perverted behavior from our POTUS.

I was watching -whatshisname,- Stormy Daniels lawyer the other day and he's saying he's got at least 2 other women vetted, that Trump paid MORE $$$ to than stormy got, on tap (maybe 3). They all signed "non-disclosures." He's just waiting for them to make up their minds and "jump into the fire." Time for another vacation Melania …

annatar1914 wrote:I take it by your spelling you're either lazy or just don't care enough to even try

It's my damn spell checker, I misspell a word and sometimes she substitutes something different. Her version -is- a word so it doesn't get redlined. I have a special arabian horse hair whip to beat her with when she does this, but (I think she likes it) that only works for awhile before she does it again.

Zam :O
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By Hong Wu
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They're getting pretty nervous. At some point, talking points will stop coming down and it'll be every SJW for himself.

We've come a long way from "Trump wasn't spied on" to "Trump deserved to have a DOJ mole in his campaign."
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