benpenguin wrote:Protester's actual demands:
1. Revenge on police brutality, ruling class' indifference and all their collaborators.
2. Removal of all Chinese influence from Hong Kong and de facto/actual independence
3. Return to imagined glory days during British rule which they have very little knowledge about
4. Forcing all Hong Kongers to pick a side
It is not achievable because of Chinese power, thus they are calling for help from the US, China's arch enemy. US doesn't actually need to do much, some coaching on tactics, some lip service on international news, the protesters can do the rest themselves.
The four points, I am afraid, vary in solidity.
Point 2 probably is the most factual and solid point, and I have nothing to add on it.
Point 3, while serving as the ulterior motive behind Point 2, is somewhat mixed with the Honourable Gentleman's perception. A more accurate description would be "a return of the status during the last two decades
of the British Rule, which saw great progress in the standard of life as well as administrative justice and freedom". The desire of many for removal of Chinese influence is duly because most of them see the Chinese way, and Socialism / Communism as a whole, an arbitrary destruction of "administrative justice and freedom" which, if combined with external factors, would lead to a rapid fall of standard of life.
Point 1 should be split into two smaller points.
The "ruling class' indifference and all their collaborators" has been around for very
long. I assume the "ruling class" here means the ones in China; and their "collaborators" are generally DAB
and alike -- they are, in fact, at odds with the "old" ruling class in Hong Kong, a.k.a. the likes of Li Ka-Shing, and represented by the Donald Tsang administration as well as the Liberal Party
. In a lesser extent, the two biggest pan-Democrats parties in Hong Kong, Democratic Party
and Civic Party
, represent traditional elites under British Rule as well.
Understandably, in a transitional time like the past three or four decades, the Chinese rulers and their collaborators have been eager to extend their influence. However, they either fail to realize their ways are not in the best interest or Hongkongers; or worse, they knowingly do that, in the aim of forcefully take over matters themselves, and reap whatever loot they can get. If any PoFo member wants to know how these people think, just observe how a certain poster behave on this forum. Conversely, if any PoFo member wants to know what the above Honourable Gentleman means by "protesters wish to revenge on these people", an easy reference is how I was carded earlier this month.
For the four Chief Executives so far, Tung Chee Hwa (#1, r. 1997-2005) and CY Leung (#3, r. 2012-17) are representatives of the Chinese interests; while Donald Tsang (#2, r. 2005-12; jailed a few years later) represented the older elites, as I have said. Carrie Lam is a special case -- she effectively came from Tsang's group but the Chinese promoted her as she was an excellent technocrat. Unfortunately Hong Kong politics nowadays is far beyond technocrats can handle, and her desire to make a mark of her "loyalty" only made matters worse.
Last but not least, the police part of Point 1, along with the whole of Point 4, are just specific response to the events happened during
the protests, and only serve to strengthen the sentiment in the other points. In my opinion, neither of them are solid demands in their own right.