Pants-of-dog wrote:No, that would be sex and sexual orientation.
Gender is basically how you identify, regardless of biological reality.
There's probably more people in the world who think they're talking to god than there are trans people. Should we lie to them too and say this is real, because they say so? Schizophrenics are usually treated in a way to lessen or eliminate their delusions, why isn't the same applied to people with gender dysphoria?
Some people who do identify as men do have periods and babies.
They're women. They can identify as a goat like Crantag sometimes is, but would still be women. Because men can't have babies, no matter how they identify.
If you were to use the language of 'transmen', you might have a point tho.
Regardless of whether or not we accept their self identification, this is a fact.
How someone identifies isn't a fact, it's an opinion, if it deviates from the sex they were born into.
Since the use of hormone therapies and whatnot are done under the care of a team of medical professionals, it would be difficult to argue that these doctors are are all teaming up to hurt kids.
Perhaps it's not about hurting kids but making money. This is an industry right now, just look how quickly it got popular within healthcare. If you believe that's due to altruism from people in charge, that's sweet, but I don't believe they have the best interest of children at heart.
Either way, I'd offer psychology for many years at a minimum, not hormone treatment that could ruin your life forever, you know in case you change your mind at 16 that you don't really feel like XX or XY anymore.
And again, I really just do not understand how anyone can identify as the opposite sex. I'm still struggling to understand what a woman is meant to be. Seems most these days associate being a woman with putting on a dress and acting feminine, or being a man as having facial hair or whatever, when there's obviously much more.
TERFs threaten trans people too. Neither are acceptable.
You use misogynistic language like "TERFs" too. Why not refer to us as feminists who accept material reality?
It is weird when men tell women who the threat is. Instead, try considering the fear women have with sharing their spaces. And it's certainly not women who are a threat to transpeople, but nearly always men.
And also, transpeople aren't all massive victims; I've read stories of transwomen raping women, taking over their sports and other competitions, being perfectly ok with threatening to kill "TERFs", punching radical feminists out (in London) for their politics, as well as myself being threatened by a transwoman (the same transwoman who shouted down rape survivor Rose McGowan at her book event in NYC, and who then turned out to be a serial abuser of young women).
Your solidarity here seems one-sided and that's sad. Women are abused, raped and murdered by men every day and instead of considering their fears, you'll call them TERFs and bigots. To me, it'd be the equivalent of calling people like you who believe people can change their sex as "TIDBs" (Trans Inclusive Delusional Bastards). But I wouldn't do that because that's lame. And I like a chat.
This whole debate to me would work much better if a) people accepted the difference in opinion and didn't call people TERFs/bigots for disagreeing and b) transwomen would back away from encroaching in women's spaces, and c) maybe transpeople looked into creating their own spaces (where I'm pretty sure they'd get 100 per cent support from radical feminists).