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This is just some half-thought-out, half-baked thing I am throwing out to get something going. So go easy if what follows is not some paint-by-numbers complete and internally consistent doctrine that people can just pick up and start regurgitating without any thought put into it at all. Some assembly may be required.

Basically I am bored with has-been and also-ran ideologies from centuries ago being dug up and their stinking corpses paraded around like they were still relevant by people whose existence is itself a pretty good argument for eugenics. I am bored with personality cults for psycho-killers who have been dead for decades if not centuries. None of it is relevant today and worse it is boring. Why can't we have something new, relevant and interesting? This century, the 21st since big JC, will probably be the most technologically disruptive of them all. If we must have ideologies, and it appears some people are just wired that way, then it should be something suitable for this most magnificent of centuries. It should be something future-positive.

One major point of what I want to craft here is an outward looking focus, by which I mean quite literally looking at the great expanse off-planet. SpaceX has moved us a significantly closer to easy and universal access to the next great frontier, the rest of the solar system. There will be more to come. We all of us here will likely live long enough to witness the first colonies beyond earth. A kind of colonial enthusiasm would seem appropriate for all the vast opportunities that will open up to our species and our non-human friends. We will see the Scramble for Space, as it may one day be called by future historians.

The most likely solutions to the Fermi Paradox at present seems to be, that we earthlings, are either extremely rare or just really early, and so the immediate galactic neighbourhood is a wilderness up for grabs. From one perspective this might be a bit sad, "we are alone", but on the other it is FUCKING FANTASTIC GOOD NEWS, because it means we have no competition out there! We can have the whole lot, if we just reach for it. Of course as we spread out we will diversify in every possible way until arguably we will all become to each other the aliens we are missing now. Personally I am fine with that.

There will be lots of ethical stuff to work out too: uplifting, genetic tailoring, life extension, person status for AI, etc. All very serious shit, no joke.

Anyway if anyone wants to get in on the ground floor of a brave new 21st century ideology then feel free to chip in here. No zombies though please.
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Left-wing market anarchism is a strand of free-market anarchism and an individualist anarchist, left-libertarian and libertarian socialist political philosophy and economic theory associated with contemporary scholars such as Kevin Carson, Gary Chartier, Charles W. Johnson, Roderick T. Long, Chris Matthew Sciabarra, Sheldon Richman and Brad Spangler, who stress the value of radically free markets, termed freed markets to distinguish them from the common conception which these libertarians believe to be riddled with statist and capitalist privileges. Proponents of this approach distinguish themselves from right-libertarians and strongly affirm the classical liberal ideas of self-ownership and free markets while maintaining that taken to their logical conclusions these ideas support anti-capitalist, anti-corporatist, anti-hierarchical and pro-labor positions in economics; anti-imperialism in foreign policy; and thoroughly radical views regarding issues such as class, gender, sexuality and race.

Labor rights

There is also a tendency to support labor struggles. Kevin Carson has praised individualist anarchist Dyer Lum's fusion of individualist economics with radical labor activism as "creative" and described him as "more significant than any in the Boston group". Roderick T. Long is an advocate of "build[ing] worker solidarity. On the one hand, this means formal organisation, including unionization – but I'm not talking about the prevailing model of "business unions," [...] but real unions, the old-fashioned kind, committed to the working class and not just union members, and interested in worker autonomy, not government patronage". In particular, Long has described the situation as such:

“ [T]he present status of unions as governmentally privileged labor cartels is in large part the result of legislation supported by big business, inasmuch as the corporate elite found unions less threatening as regulated junior partners in the corporate régime, playing on its terms, than as independent actors. After all, the achievements, much heralded by the Left, which unions won in their heyday, such as the weekend and the eight-hour day, were won primarily by market means, often over strong government resistance; likewise, the most notable victories of unions in recent years have been won mainly by unofficial, disapproved unions, without violence of either the governmental or freelance variety, and outside of the traditional labor-law establishment. By contrast, the influence of mainstream unions has been steadily declining ever since they accepted the devil's bargain of "help" from big-daddy government, with all the regulatory strings that go with it. Thus when left-wingers complain that unions are in decline and that workers are disempowered on the job, they're complaining about a situation created and sustained by government – and once again, we should be pointing that out to them.”

Property rights

Left-wing market anarchism does not have any strict agreement what constitutes legitimate property titles. Arguments have been made for Rothbardian, Georgist, mutualist, and utilitarian approaches to determining legitimate property claims. Such discrepancies are resolved through deliberation mechanisms like the polycentric law. They also recognize the importance of property held and managed in common as a way of maintaining common goods.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wi ... _anarchism
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What we ought to do next is develop a better way to get into Space. It's quite doable, but much too expensive for any business to develop.

The second logical step would be to build a station at L5. That would have to be a multi-national effort. That sucker won't be cheap. But if you want to do a lot in Space, you need a place. The Moon would be an alternative site, depends on how ambitious we want to get.
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SolarCross wrote:Market Anarchism, is technically a zombie, but I guess it smells better than many of the rest of the old ideologies. There is less rot in it than some.


I don't think it's a zombie, I think it's an idea whose time has come. It's the best of all possible worlds, it's got free markets and individual liberty and private property and it's 100% socialist. It's not just a way forward, it's the way forward.

Now I'm not suggesting that it will ever be fully realized but it is the direction we need to start rowing in if we want to avoid a completely dystopic authoritarian future. Welfare state liberalism has collapsed into crony captialist technocratic managerialism, state socialism is just a euphemism for red fascism so that's out, and anarcho-capitalism is the apotheosis of neoliberalism(full blown corporate feudalism). There's only one sane alternative and that's free market anti-capitalist libertarianism. It's a good ideology for any century but in the 21st century for anyone who values liberty, peace, and prosperity, it's the only way to go.

Why post a blurb about it here? What is the comment?


I thought you were asking for a good ideological direction for the 21st century and since libertarian market socialism isn't very well known or understood, I thought I'd take the opportunity to post a brief intro to it here so maybe someone who either doesn't know anything about it or has heard of it but isn't all that familiar with it would see it and possibly dig into it a bit.
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Sivad wrote:I don't think it's a zombie, I think it's an idea whose time has come. It's the best of all possible worlds, it's got free markets and individual liberty and private property and it's 100% socialist. It's not just a way forward, it's the way forward.

Now I'm not suggesting that it will ever be fully realized but it is the direction we need to start rowing in if we want to avoid a completely dystopic authoritarian future. Welfare state liberalism has collapsed into crony captialist technocratic managerialism, state socialism is just a euphemism for red fascism so that's out, and anarcho-capitalism is the apotheosis of neoliberalism(full blown corporate feudalism). There's only one sane alternative and that's free market anti-capitalist libertarianism. It's a good ideology for any century but in the 21st century for anyone who values liberty, peace, and prosperity, it's the only way to go.

To clarify what I mean by a zombie, I mean that it was conceived centuries ago by people responding to their immediate present day concerns which are by now centuries out of date. Most of the original anarchism was a reaction to the rise of Absolutism which itself was a pretty brief trend (a few centuries only). Libertarianism was a reaction to Absolutism's interference in the civilian economy, Mercantilism, which also only lasted a few centuries.

Today the political-economic landscape is really quite different. Nothing remains of Absolutism (save the remaining communist countries like Cuba and DPRK). In the place of Absolutism, the modern countries have highly democratic Constitutional Monarchies (UK, Australia, Canada, and the Nordic countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway) and highly democratic Republics (US, France, Germany and Switzerland). So the old polemics crafted against Absolutism are not really relevant, because their targets have long gone.

Adam Smith defeated Mercantilism centuries ago and everyone not crazy at least pays lip service to Free Markets and Free Trade. Arguably a kind of mercantilism was reborn as Keynesianism but Keynesianism really is not exactly the same thing as mercantilism and arguments crafted against mercantilism are not so effective against it. Keynes himself broadly was a follower of Smith, and did not see himself as over-throwing him but merely putting in a small refinement.

Sivad wrote:I thought you were asking for a good ideological direction for the 21st century and since libertarian market socialism isn't very well known or understood, I thought I'd take the opportunity to post a brief intro to it here so maybe someone who either doesn't know anything about it or has heard of it but isn't all that familiar with it would see it and possibly dig into it a bit.

What I am suggesting is we craft something new fit for now, rather than digging something old up and roughly shoe-horning it in to a circumstance for which none of the original authors could possibly have imagined.
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Isolation could be the key to political and social evolution. Geographic isolation may be helpful in encouraging new and different political and social models. We should look at the travel barriers created by the coronavirus as a helpful “hint.”

Evolutionists have suggested that when enough differences evolve between two isolated breeding populations, the populations would no longer interbreed: reproductive isolation.

Drawing on that biological example, breeding new ideas requires that we abandon globalization and encourage localized experiments in government and economics.
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Robert Urbanek wrote:
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It doesn't even suggest it..

Since we have completely left reality, and you like scifi, in some of Isaac Asimov's books, the people of Mars live largely solitary lives. I always thought that odd, but hey, it's scifi, you can do anything.

I did like those books, but that was so long ago, I was prob still having bronto burgers with Fred and Barnie, back in Bedrock High.

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