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Israeli whistleblower says: "Israel killed JFK"
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2005, 17:22
Israel killed JFK according to Israeli whistleblower.

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Above: Whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu.

In a startling accusation, nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu (imprisoned for 18 years) has alleged that Jerusalem was behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Israeli head of state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant.

In defiance of a ban on talking to the media and meeting with foreigners, Vanunu is said to have made the accusation in an interview to London-based Al-Hayat newspaper.

As per the interview published in newspaper's Arabic supplement Al-Wassat yesterday, Vanunu said according to "near-certain indications", Kennedy was assassinated due to "pressure he exerted on then head of government, David Ben-Gurion, to shed light on Dimona's nuclear reactor".

"We do not know which irresponsible Israeli Prime Minister will take office and decide to use nuclear weapons in the struggle against neighbouring Arab countries," he is quoted to have said, adding, "What has already been exposed about the weapons Israel is holding can destroy the region and kill millions."

The whistleblower, who was released in April after 18 years of imprisonment on charges of treason for divulging state secrets, also said that the reactor in Dimona, could become a second "Chernobyl", Israeli media reported. He said an earthquake could cause fissures to the core and that would cause a massive radiation leak threatening millions.

Vanunu warned that Jordan should test the residents along the border with Israel for exposure to radiation and give them pills just like the Jewish state decided to do for its citizens.
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How did Vanunu connect Oswald and Israel? Kennedy supported Israel, for example by selling Hawk missiles to the jewish state, and it would've been pretty stupid for Israel to kill him. It is true that a nuclear weapons program existed at Dimona in the '60s. Surprisingly though, Egyptian inteligence seemed unaware of it until an Egyptian MIG saw the reactor whle overflying the Negev. According to the account published in PHOENIX OVER THE NILE the EAF pilot wasn't sent there on a reconnaissance mission but "stumbled" onto it.
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Don't be stupid, it was me who killed JFK.
And i killed Frederrick Barbarossa too. :flamer:

there was no emotion about drowning, so i had to use this one instead.
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..test the residents along the border with Israel for exposure to radiation...




I thought an accident was a possibility, not something that already happened. Btw, the residents along the border with Israel include Israeli settlers who decided to stay in what is now Jordanian territory, returned after years of slow, quiet expansionism at the expense of Jordan.
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Kennedy supported Israel


Not its nuclear ambitions though. In fact, Kennedy vehemently opposed Israel’s nuclear ambitions. At the same time however, there was consensus among the Diaspora Jews and the Israeli Jews that Israel desperately needed nuclear weapons, but also needed a strong relationship with the US.

I have little proof for Israeli involvement in the assassination of JFK, but Israel won both ways when JFK was assassinated.

Many respected historians agree that the Kennedy association was a turning point in US-Israel relations. From then on, American support for Israel became unconditional and all of a sudden, not a word of condemnation was heard about the Israeli nuclear aspirations. Very convenient.
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This should make us stay away from Vanunu in the near future. I don't know why he said this, as it just adds one name into the pile of names accused of the Kennedy assassination. First of all, how does Vanunu know this and yet the CIA, FBI, and other intelligence agencies never thought of it? Second, motive alone is not evidence.

But this was known and unnecessary; no one here believes this more than a conspiracy theory, correct?
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Just another Israel Attacks the hand that feeds it conspiracy...

Lavon Affair
USS Liberty
JFK
9/11
Food Tax

If one didn't know better, they'd think Israel was the synagogue of Satan. Like it says in the bible...

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If one didn't know better, they'd think Israel was the synagogue of Satan. Like it says in the bible...

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[edited by author for being utter bullshit]

Instead, I will just completely ignore that remark and reply to the constructive part later on.
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First of all, how does Vanunu know this and yet the CIA, FBI, and other intelligence agencies never thought of it?


Maguis,

There’s an alternative explanation: FBI and CIA most likely know about possible Israeli involvement, but you’d better have a 100% proven case before even mentioning possible Israeli involvement in such a matter, such is the status quo in American society (and the rest of the Western hemisphere BTW). Even if you have a solid case, you shouldn’t milk it too much or too enthusiastically.

I think that's the reason why the possible Israeli involvement hasn't become mainstream.
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Utter nonsense.

How the fuck would he know?
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The United States itself IS an Israeli False Flag operation. Ariel Sharon admitted that Israel controls the US and the Americans know it. But Sharon is lying and spinning, no wait he was kidding...

"ahhh... Is American Gladiators on yet?" - My buddy... Bill Hicks.


coup... coup... Israel has bloodlessly overthrown the US... Now we kill Israeli enemies... and pay them for the privilage of dying to do it. America has lost all credibility worldwide for continually backing the rogue terrorist state of Israel...
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The United States itself IS an Israeli False Flag operation. Ariel Sharon admitted that Israel controls the US and the Americans know it. But Sharon is lying and spinning, no wait he was kidding...

"ahhh... Is American Gladiators on yet?" - My buddy... Bill Hicks.


coup... coup... Israel has bloodlessly overthrown the US... Now we kill Israeli enemies... and pay them for the privilage of dying to do it. America has lost all credibility worldwide for continually backing the rogue terrorist state of Israel...


Exactly. Some say Israel is the 51st state, I say, American is an Israeli province. Former congressmen P. Findley correctly stated:
“Congress behaves as if it were a subcommittee of the Israeli parliament.”

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I blame the Jews.

There must be a way to sort out all their problems. Some sort of final solution to Israel problem.
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Start by ending the $8 million a day WELFARE. Then ban Israeli/US dual citizenship. End foreign lobby groups. Enact legislation stopping Religions from secretly labeling food acceptable. Remove any nonprofit organizations rights or status from those that profit on food sales.

Demand reparations for the dead sailors on the USS Liberty. Demand public apology and PAY BACK the $1.6 Trillion in WELFARE we have been duped out of by the Terrorist Zionists.
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Start by ending the $8 million a day WELFARE


It's more.
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FBI and CIA most likely know about possible Israeli involvement, but you’d better have a 100% proven case before even mentioning possible Israeli involvement in such a matter
Duke, I know that you believe that Israel has extremely extensive control over the US, but this is where even that claim ends. The FBI and CIA are among the most powerful secret services in the world. When they say something, they aren't scared of being criticized by a political lobby. And it's not so much that a direct accusation hasn't been made, the rumor itself hadn't started before a whistleblower, ex-convict, punished by Israel, said so. There is no evidence of it whatsoever.

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Ariel Sharon admitted that Israel controls the US and the Americans know it. But Sharon is lying and spinning, no wait he was kidding...
I saw his face on TV when he said it. He was laughing. Do you honestly believe Ariel Sharon, whose relations with the US have never been better after the disengagement, would seriously say "we control the US"?

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Israel has bloodlessly overthrown the US... Now we kill Israeli enemies...
As far as I remember, the senate, house of representatives, and white house stay exactly the same. The US government's stance on Israel is one of a billion issues they deal with. They also support a two-state solution, which Israel would want to avoid, though it seems to have no choice. Just recently, an economic fight between Israel and the US led to the firing of an Israeli official. And you're telling me Israel controls the US?
And we kill our enemies. IDF soldiers risk their lives when they enter Gaza to arrest terrorists, not Americans.

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Start by ending the $8 million a day WELFARE.
And you'll stop all aid to the palestinians, too? For what possible cause? Israel's economy is improving but is much poorer than the US. Why shouldn't the US help Israel financially? Also, remember, more money doesn't mean more bomb attacks, it means smarter missiles, such that they can hit the terrorists alone without civilian casualties.

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Then ban Israeli/US dual citizenship.
First of all, for what possible purpose? Second, will you do this to all dual citizenships? Lastly, it won't work. People will always pick the American citizenship, since as Jews they are always Israeli citizens or, more correctly, potential Israeli citizens. You'd be hurting only Israeli arabs and the like.

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Enact legislation stopping Religions from secretly labeling food acceptable.
So that Jews won't know whether food is edible or not (religously speaking) and thus will only buy imported food? Why should Jews not be allowed to know if their food is kosher?

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Demand reparations for the dead sailors on the USS Liberty.
And the dam breaks loose. Reparations from all over will be enacted. Israelis want reparations for the hundreds of deaths, destructions and such caused by terrorism, palestinians want reparations for their death and their destruction, etc. Doesn't work.
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I'm sorry if all this jumping around is confusing, but I see nobody looks at old posts, so I'm moving my edit over here:

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Just another Israel Attacks the hand that feeds it conspiracy...

Lavon Affair
USS Liberty
JFK
9/11
Food Tax


1. The Lavon affair

This is the only false flag operation indeed carried out by Israeli operatives. However, as seen from the following article, operation "Susannah" was not a decision made by the Israeli government, rather by God knows whom.

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Sharrett commissioned a board of inquiry consisting of Israeli Supreme Court Justice Isaac Olshan and the first chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, Yaakov Dori that was unable to find conclusive evidence that Lavon had authorized the operation. Lavon tried to fix the blame on Shimon Peres, who was the secretary general of the defense ministry, and Glibi for insubordination and criminal negligence. Sharett resolved the dilemma by siding with Peres, after which Lavon resigned...

Ben-Gurion scheduled closed hearings with a new board of inquiry chaired by Chaim Cohen, a supreme court justice.

This inquiry found that the perjury indeed had been committed, and that Lavon had not authorized the operation.


2. USS Liberty attack
I have set up links time and again to various US declarations concerning the attack on USS Liberty, each proving definetly that no false-flag operation took place. Here's another one.

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New documents released by the State Department relating to the period of the 1967 Six Day War include CIA memos that say Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel when it attacked the USS Liberty off the coast of the Gaza Strip on June 8, 1967, killing 34 American sailors and injuring 172. The memos say the attack was carried out "by mistake, representing gross negligence."

Along with the release of the documents, the historian for the top-secret National Security Agency said Monday he believed available evidence "strongly suggested" Israel did not know it was bombarding an American ship...

Historians said the new documentation included little new on the Liberty incident itself. It is still not known, for example, why the USS Liberty, an intelligence-gathering ship, was allowed to linger so close to the war zone, or why Israel was not informed of its presence in the area...

The most significant documents, transcripts of tapes of communications between an Israeli air controller and helicopter pilots sent to rescue the wounded from the attack, were released last July.

Those intercepts showed that the Israeli rescue pilots first identified the ship as Egyptian and gradually realized, after spotting a US flag, that the ship was American.

"A CIA memo of June 13 reported they had no intercepts from the attacking planes and torpedo boats, but that the helicopter pilots' communication left little doubt that the Israelis had failed to identify the Liberty as a US ship," said Harriet Schwar, editor of the newly released volume.

"A follow-up CIA memo on June 21st noted that the Liberty had been identified prior to the attacks but concluded that the Israelis were not aware at the time of the attack that they were attacking a US ship. It concluded that the attack was not made in malice, but was by mistake, representing gross negligence. The Defense Intelligence Agency reached a similar conclusion," Schwar added.

David Hatch, the National Security Agency Historian, said of the intercepted communications of the rescue pilots: "While falling short of proof, the intercepts to me suggest strongly the Israeli attackers did not know they were aiming deadly fire at a vessel belonging to the United States. The intercepted communications between the air controller at Hatzor and helicopters dispatched in the wake of the attack show a progressive reversal of perception on their part."


3. JFK is under discussion right now, so you can't bring him as another example of Israeli false-flag operations.

4. It's widely known that Al-Qaeda and Saudi Arabia were the main players there. Giving it as an example of an Israeli operation is strange, at the least, even if you think it was one.

5. Food tax

Terrorism, attack, murder, terrorism, food tax? That's just desperate...

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Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth (traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as the "" emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among others, confirm that products are kosher—i.e., that foods and production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish dietary law.

The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore, a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.



To sum it up, this is another list of allegedly Jewish crimes, collected with the obvious purpose of casting a shadow on Israel.

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Even if you have a solid case, you shouldn’t milk it too much or too enthusiastically.

I think that's the reason why the possible Israeli involvement hasn't become mainstream.


I actually agree that it could be the reason for lack of official statement. However, Capitalists are notorious leakers. I can't imagine such juicy information being kept a secret for so long.
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You lil Israelis can pretend USS Liberty was a mistake all day. FACT is it wasn't it was a direct attempt to lure the US into attacking Egypt.

Answer some really simple logical questions...

1. Why didn't you clowns sink the ship with planes and ships if you thought it was a wartime enemy? (Let me guess, Israeli mercy shown to egypt? Certainly any Air Force that cannot sink a floating horse trailer are CLOWNS.)

2. Why did all the planes and boats succeed in not recognizing the US flag on an unarmed US naval ship. (Let me guess, they werent flying the US Flag right? Perhaps you could pass out a diagram of the US flag to the morons in your version of our Air Force and Navy. Make sure to label it Flag of parasitic host victim. They are obvious morons, if they failed to find the US flag.)

3. Why didn't Israel lead the rescue operations and take prisoners of war? (Too busy shooting life boats?)
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I saw his face on TV when he said it. He was laughing. Do you honestly believe Ariel Sharon, whose relations with the US have never been better after the disengagement, would seriously say "we control the US"?
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As far as I remember, the senate, house of representatives, and white house stay exactly the same. The US government's stance on Israel is one of a billion issues they deal with. They also support a two-state solution, which Israel would want to avoid, though it seems to have no choice. Just recently, an economic fight between Israel and the US led to the firing of an Israeli official. And you're telling me Israel controls the US?
And we kill our enemies. IDF soldiers risk their lives when they enter Gaza to arrest terrorists, not Americans.

I am not saying to turn Israel into a hated enemy... I am saying they are not our friends. Friends do not scheme and connive to force their will upon those who disagree, at least I would never call someone like that a friend. As far as you begging for continued Aid... get a job. 57 years and still on public assistance.
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And you'll stop all aid to the Palestinians, too? For what possible cause? Israel's economy is improving but is much poorer than the US. Why shouldn't the US help Israel financially? Also, remember, more money doesn't mean more bomb attacks, it means smarter missiles, such that they can hit the terrorists alone without civilian casualties.

Sure no more aid to Palestine, after all if we stop your dollar we should stop their dime. America owes Israel nothing. there is no basis for “should help” Israel. We should drop that 3+ Billion dollar in welfare to someone who needs it like Sudanese refugees. Niger’s people who are near famine right now... Not a country who has F-16's and bunker busters.
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First of all, for what possible purpose? Second, will you do this to all dual citizenships? Lastly, it won't work. People will always pick the American citizenship, since as Jews they are always Israeli citizens or, more correctly, potential Israeli citizens. You'd be hurting only Israeli arabs and the like.
Dual citizenship serve no purpose for the benefit of the United States. It serves the individual. Israel is not part of the United States. Get over it. If you choose to leave America and exercise your new found Israeli citizenship, you must renounce your American citizenship. The US doesn't control the Tax system of Israel so its a potential financial hazard to the US.

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So that Jews won't know whether food is edible or not (religously speaking) and thus will only buy imported food? Why should Jews not be allowed to know if their food is kosher?

Personal problem. However... My statement is about the secrecy. No more little symbols If a company profits from monitoring another companies food production they must identify the purpose. An example would be the Kosher racket... Kosher certified products must tell the customer in writing as large as the company or product name, whichever is larger, that the Item is certified Kosher. Example:
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And the dam breaks loose. Reparations from all over will be enacted. Israelis want reparations for the hundreds of deaths, destructions and such caused by terrorism, palestinians want reparations for their death and their destruction, etc. Doesn't work.


LMAO!!! Hypocrisy. It's ok to seek reparations from Germany and Switzerland but NEVER against Israel.
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1. Why didn't you clowns sink the ship with planes and ships if you thought it was a wartime enemy? (Let me guess, Israeli mercy shown to egypt? Certainly any Air Force that cannot sink a floating horse trailer are CLOWNS.)


Huh? USS Liberty was sank by airplanes and torpedo boats. Any source will tell you that, even those that claim it was a war crime.

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On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship assigned to monitor the fighting, arrived in the area, 14 miles off the Sinai coast, as a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship doing the shelling and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171.


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2. Why did all the planes and boats succeed in not recognizing the US flag on an unarmed US naval ship. (Let me guess, they werent flying the US Flag right? Perhaps you could pass out a diagram of the US flag to the morons in your version of our Air Force and Navy. Make sure to label it Flag of parasitic host victim. They are obvious morons, if they failed to find the US flag.)


Here's why, same source.

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Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.

According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.

A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors.


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3. Why didn't Israel lead the rescue operations and take prisoners of war? (Too busy shooting life boats?)


It did. Did you even read my post?

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Rodion, they are determined to blame Israel

Ignore them.

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Rodion, they are determined to blame Israel

Ignore them.

Oswald killed Kennedy. End of story.


I know. Among other reasons for me posting in Conspiracy Theories, is proving "them" wrong to the viewers. More people watch this thread than post in it. It's crucial that they hear the other side.
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Huh? USS Liberty was sank by airplanes and torpedo boats. Any source will tell you that, even those that claim it was a war crime.


How can anyone take your arrogant and bewildered ramblings seriously... you still have no clue about what happened...

The ship did not sink. Israel FAILED in sinking it... yet wouldn't resuce the Americans. Or supposedly take prisoners of war.

You are caught in a web of lies. You blindly believe your beloved terrorist propaganda machine and cite that very same propaganda machine's influence in the US. How about you go look at what the survivors of the Liberty say. How about you look at that the former intelligence officers at the CIA say....
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When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors.


LMAO!!! Unarmed recon ship... More LIES! Heres a picture... show me the guns... Perhaps the guns weren't mounted on this side of the ship? Maybe they are on the other end of the ship?

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