[Verv]

I read a good article from a Muslim writer (Nirpal Dhaliwal) in Britain bemoaning the disillusioned views of young Muslims:

Jonathan Evans, head of MI5, says Muslim teenagers are being groomed for terrorism and that more should be done tackle its "root causes". But the biggest cause of Islamic extremism in Britain isn't the Iraq war or Palestine but the hypocrisy and delusional sense of oppression fostered by many young British Muslims.


Recently I saw Riz Ahmed, the Muslim star of the Channel 4 drama Britz, rapping at a BBC concert. Woolly-hatted, gesticulating like he was straight outta Compton, MC Riz wanted to look like a ghetto player rather than a nerdy Asian mummy's boy as he bewailed his oppression and the crimes of George W Bush. Trendy Asians nodded in solidarity while white hipsters gazed adoringly.


I asked my Pakistani companion how oppressed he'd been since 9/11. "Not at all," he replied. When I've asked other Muslims what their actual experience of oppression has been, the worst I've heard is "being looked at on the Tube"; yet some still compare their condition to that of Jews in 1930s Germany.

Evening Standard


It was good for someone to come out and say it: you're not oppressed and you're not the victim of any system. The notion that these young stars and even anybody is repressed by a system is a hypersensitive reaction founded on nothing.


It goes back to a liberal paranoia that inside every man on the street there is a white national socialist ready to surface -- every star is a death threat when needless to say, I am sure sometimes all people (even all of us who are part of the Vast Right Wing Christian Conspiracy) get stared at for one reason or another.


Read the rest of the article -- it was well put together.

[Muck]

I dont think that Nirpal Dhaliwal is Muslim.

[Noelnada]

It was good for someone to come out and say it: you're not oppressed and you're not the victim of any system. The notion that these young stars and even anybody is repressed by a system is a hypersensitive reaction founded on nothing.

A system where you are forced to give your collaboration to oppressive policies upon other populations in order to prosper is similar to mental oppression.

Of course overdramatization and cheap talk never changed anything except myabe the mentality .

So it's all psychological, i find it hard to build up values and stick to them in a society that reward only greed , especially when you are young.

[Mikolaj]

Jonathan Evans, head of MI5, says Muslim teenagers are being groomed for terrorism and that more should be done tackle its "root causes". But the biggest cause of Islamic extremism in Britain isn't the Iraq war or Palestine but the hypocrisy and delusional sense of oppression fostered by many young British Muslims.

Ok, let's keep reading to see if his assertion is backed up..

Recently I saw Riz Ahmed, the Muslim star of the Channel 4 drama Britz, rapping at a BBC concert. Woolly-hatted, gesticulating like he was straight outta Compton, MC Riz wanted to look like a ghetto player rather than a nerdy Asian mummy's boy as he bewailed his oppression and the crimes of George W Bush. Trendy Asians nodded in solidarity while white hipsters gazed adoringly.

So far, nothing mentioning where the sense of oppression comes from, or what's wrong with rapping or being against GWB.

I asked my Pakistani companion how oppressed he'd been since 9/11. "Not at all," he replied. When I've asked other Muslims what their actual experience of oppression has been, the worst I've heard is "being looked at on the Tube"; yet some still compare their condition to that of Jews in 1930s Germany.

Well, one person does not equal all of Britain's Muslims. Perhaps "he" doesn't feel discriminated against. As for the others, how many were surveyed? Was it a statistically relevant sample-or a bunch of assimilated Muslims who all belong to the same business club?

Living in a country that provides them with more freedom and protection than any Islamic society in history,

So, what does that matter? So there is "more" freedom in Britain than many Muslim countries-that doesn't mean there isn't discrimination or oppression of some sort.

many British Muslims have cultivated the mystique of victimhood because victims are cool. From the Channel 4 executives who titled their drama Britz (emulating gangsta rap) to the fashionistas who drape themselves in Palestinian keffiyeh headscarves, every lame wannabe aligns with the supposed plight of British Muslims, hoping to look a little edgier as a result.

Evidence for this?

Millions of Muslims die through poverty and malnutrition in Asia and Africa, but their agony doesn't concern their British brethren as much as that of Iraqis, because starvation isn't as hip as being bombed. And the hundreds of thousands of Muslims tortured and murdered by Muslim regimes get none of the sympathy reserved for the comparative handful killed by Israelis.

Evidence for this?

[PaxAmericana]

You want evidence...that the Arab monarchies hold and torture political prisoners? Maybe you also want proof that Mauritania exists or that we lost the Vietnam War. They're all equally obvious and clearly common knowledge

[C-Kokos]

The author is not Muslim. As the wikipedia article states, he was raised a non practicing Sikh.

[Dear_Leader]

A system where you are forced to give your collaboration to oppressive policies upon other populations in order to prosper is similar to mental oppression.

Then this includes every regime in history!

[Noelnada]

A system where you are forced to give your collaboration to oppressive policies upon other populations in order to prosper is similar to mental oppression.

Then this includes every regime in history!

This include every generation having a rebel attitude in history !!

[LAz]

Everyone who has some major difference will be oppressed or not treated to the full benefit/extent of the main ethnic group. That is why "assimilation" is a must. When these people of muslim origin are ready to adjust to this christian society, and when they do do that, then there will be no problem at all. They however prefer to be treated the same when they are not the same. And then they get pissed off and cause problems, like the riots in france... well too bad, 'cause assimilation is the key. Even here in the US, all the ethnic groups were treated bad... until they assimilated.

[Doomhammer]

When these people of muslim origin are ready to adjust to this christian society, and when they do do that, then there will be no problem at all.

Bear in mind that you should be thankful that your Ottoman overlords never forced your people to assimilate into an Islamic life style.

[Truth-a-naut]

The author is not Muslim. As the wikipedia article states, he was raised a non practicing Sikh.

Yes, this totally invalidates everything he says! You can never like understand 'The Muslim' if you're like not a Muslim... man. It's all so esoteric and indiscernible this Islam business.

[Joker]

To be honest, authough i have no problem with individual muslims, as a collective they seem to act very much as Christians used to not so long ago. Remember that Islam is a relatively new religion, it only really became known towards the end of the middle-ages. Now, considering that in the 1960's, the beatles were treated as devil-worshippers and that there was a time when being openly part of any religion other than a Jewdao-christian religion was casting your soul into the pits of hell. Now, imagine if those same christians had, up untill then, been subject to racism and blamed for terrorist attacks. Even long after its all stopped they would still be acting like they are the victims.

[LAz]

Bear in mind that you should be thankful that your Ottoman overlords never forced your people to assimilate into an Islamic life style.

Imagine if Europe becomes more like the ottoman empire... taxing the non-europeans a ton, and stealing their babies to later send and oppress the nationalities of which those babies originated from.

[Nets]

To be honest, authough i have no problem with individual muslims, as a collective they seem to act very much as Christians used to not so long ago. Remember that Islam is a relatively new religion, it only really became known towards the end of the middle-ages. Now, considering that in the 1960's, the beatles were treated as devil-worshippers and that there was a time when being openly part of any religion other than a Jewdao-christian religion was casting your soul into the pits of hell. Now, imagine if those same christians had, up untill then, been subject to racism and blamed for terrorist attacks. Even long after its all stopped they would still be acting like they are the victims.

These types of Christians usually think Jews and Catholics are hell bound too.

[Verv]

Can you say that Muslims in Britain do not have the same rights as others to pursue education, live freely or speak freely or practice their religion?

You could make an argument that a Jihadi perhaps is repressed in Britain but other than this... What?

The idea that they are being picked on is ridiculous as the writer notes and I agree.

[a pawn]

Can you say that Muslims in Britain do not have the same rights as others to pursue education, live freely or speak freely or practice their religion?

You could make an argument that a Jihadi perhaps is repressed in Britain but other than this... What?

The idea that they are being picked on is ridiculous as the writer notes and I agree.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. Why would you believe what a member of MI5 believes on this issue? Their expertise is fighting radical Islam and spreading the propaganda to do so.

http://www.enar-eu.org/en/national/eu/I ... e_2005.pdf

Despite this however European Muslims have suffered significantly from various forms of alienation, discrimination, harassment and violence rooted in misinformed and stereotyped representations of Islam and its adherents - the irrational phenomenon we have come to know as Islamophobia.