[The Immortal Goon]

I've often said that tax thing about the south. The Northwest gives more money to the union than it gets back, as does much of the west. And it all goes to the fucking CSA so they can sneer with their broken toothed grins, Bible in hand, and denounce paying any taxes - which is easy to say when the vast majority of the continent is picking up your fucking bill.

[Nets]

Qatz:

When did the British slaughter French Canadians. Casualties in the 1800s French Rebellions were quite low (hundreds). I'm puzzled on this could you educate me.

Anyways, in your lingo both sides were European Imperialists scrambling for Colonial possessions, so they deserved it.

And oh yea, I forgot during my absence you were a Holocaust denier, Qatz.

And somehow I just can't feel that bad for the Germans after they invaded most of Europe and slaughtered millions of Jews, Poles, Slavs, Gypsies and cripples. The consensus civilian death toll for Germany was 1.5 million out of a population of 70 million, a pittance compared to what they (and the Japanese) did to other countries.

But I forgot, Jews aren't people so it doesn't matter.

[QatzelOk]

When did the British slaughter French Canadians.

Expulsion of the Acadians, 1755 and 1756 (twice).

90% kill rate.

[Nets]

I;m reading up on the "Great Upheaval" now but where do you get the 90% kill rate from? I see the expulsion, but can't find the mass murder.

[QatzelOk]

That's the percentage of Acadians who died when they were "forced at gunpoint" to get into row-boats and try to cross the Atlantic.

The "official" story has them all boarding luxury liners and commuting to New Orleans and France, but the vast majority simply died because they were subsistence farmers who didn't have vessels for switching continents.

But you may certainly continue ignoring this holocaust. There is no law to stop you, after all. And if there was, I would find that highly suspicious.

[Rancid]

Qatz,

So what exactly would you like to see done in Canada anyway?

[QatzelOk]

I'd like to see Canada move towards being an international state with French as the unifying language.

And by "International" I mean having more than one nationality as its preoccupation.

French would become the national language, with English surviving as a regional dialect in Newfoundland and the Maritimes.

This would happen via the enrichment of bilingual education, which would eventually give way to French education.

The French language would be our own (Quebecois dialect) and so would our worldview.

Otherwise, if this is unrealistic, I see an independent Quebec playing an important mediating role in a cooperative North American economic union. But only if varying degrees of socialism are possible in this union.

[Praetor]

NetsNJFan87, your map is good, but I think we should return Anticosti to Quebec in a good will gesture. USCA stole it from them in the border change, and it's pretty fucking useless. We don’t want to have a hostile neighbor over some little island.

[W01f]

with French as the unifying language.

Why would you want this? What good would it do?

[Ideational Ontarian]

Qatz: The most deluded PoFoer in our histoy?

[Nets]

Qatz: That's the percentage of Acadians who died when they were "forced at gunpoint" to get into row-boats and try to cross the Atlantic.

The "official" story has them all boarding luxury liners and commuting to New Orleans and France, but the vast majority simply died because they were subsistence farmers who didn't have vessels for switching continents.

But you may certainly continue ignoring this holocaust. There is no law to stop you, after all. And if there was, I would find that highly suspicious.

I'm not ignoring this, I have just never heard of it before and I am having trouble finding corroborating stories on the Internets. Where are you citing these numbers from? And also, what type of numbers are we talking in absolute terms?

Don't think I am calling you a liar, I am just trying to learn about what you are talking about, I've heard about the Acadians leaving Canada and becoming Cajuns, etc but nothing else.

Idea OntarianQatz: The most deluded PoFoer in our history?

Well.....he is certainly different.

[Ideational Ontarian]

I also tried to find any evidence of the atorcities Qatz is talking about and couldn't find any. Seems to me like a mass forced expulsion. As horrible and embarrassing as that is for an English Canadian, it's no French holocaust. The Quebecois fared pretty well in history if you ask me. Much better than other minorities under other empires. Look at the minorites under the Islamic empires. They were almost completely wiped out.

[Thunderhawk]

You people are to harsh, he is not deluded, he is a Quebecois imperialist.

[Vera Politica]

You people are to harsh, he is not deluded, he is a Quebecois imperialist.

Qatz is from west-side montreal. He is simply a liberal hipster posing as a quasi-seperatist and honestly has little to no understanding of quebec. Sorry this is insulting, but it is a reality. I don't judge you for it, but you should seriously reconsider your politics, especially when your understanding of quebec nationalism is belittled by your historical perspective of 'holocausts'.

Also, do you even speak Quebecois? What Quebecois exactly? There are varieties; and I KNOW that I wouldn't want many of the varieties as a national language. Especially Joile, which is what I speak- and is dirty, improper, and laughable as a 'national language'. Dialects will ALWAYS exist, but you don't make a dialect an official language. That is completely ludicrous. Not even the Quebecois would agree with this, they would adopt FRENCH as an official language, French, in the sense as is from FRANCE. Quebec politicians, for example, speak French with a Quebecois ACCENT, they do not speak any Quebecois dialect- it would be disrespectful.

By the way, no varying degrees of socialism, Quebec is as conservative as it gets.

[QatzelOk]

Qatz is from west-side montreal.

I also tried to find any evidence of the atorcities Qatz is talking about and couldn't find any.

I guess there is no evidence of an Acadian Holocaust, and you guys can go back to your dominant discourse. Why hasn't Hollywood made more films about the Acadian Holocaust? I guess they're too busy with other important projects.

Why would you want this? What good would it do?

It would act as a firewall against American propaganda. We might actually develop a unique and interesting culture like Quebec has if we had this important tool, this Mac platform of languages.

Do you disagree that it might protect us from continental Nazi-ism in our texts?

[Vera Politica]

so what you're telling me you're not from the west-side/west-centre?
I remember you mentioning Saint-Laurent, so I just assumed....

[Nets]

I guess there is no evidence of an Acadian Holocaust, and you guys can go back to your dominant discourse. Why hasn't Hollywood made more films about the Acadian Holocaust? I guess they're too busy with other important projects.

Qatz, don't get all defensive just educate us with some respectable links.

[QatzelOk]

The Expulsion

The Acadians (Wiki)

Two things to notice about the Acadians:

1. They worked with the local Miqmaq Indians, and not against them.

2. They were the first North Americans to describe themselves as a distinct North American nation - "Acadian." The other Euros of their time all considered themselves colonists of somewhere else locked in a clash of civilizations with the natives.

[The Immortal Goon]

The other Euros of their time all considered themselves colonists of somewhere else locked in a clash of civilizations with the natives.

This has something to do with the various mindsets at the time. A convincing argument was made by a professor I had (and her book) which went in to the various goals and worldviews in the New World.

The Catholic countries tended to juxtipose a kind of crucade mentality on to the entire thing - you went in, toppled the native leaders, then converted the masses to Christianity. The biggest example of this was the Spanish. There was not really a genocide campaign per se by the Spanish, but a kind of subjjigation of them.

The French, being considerably further north, didn't find much of a government to topple. They largely converted the natives when they found them and then happily went about killing everything in sight for its pelts and trading them away. They weren't as destructive to the natives per se, but it is roughly comparaible to how the American settlers went in and killed all the buffalo without so much as a second thought about what it would do to the natives.

The Protestants, represented mostly by the English, in this view, came with a siege mentality they learned from being more urbanized and largely outnumbered by Catholics in Europe for most of their history. When they came it they didn't see it as something of a crusade, but a kind of us v. them mentality.

There are some problems with this view, as interesting as I always found it. The Dutch, for instance, were protestants in North America that - as far as I know - were pretty comparable to the French in their treatment of the natives: exploitation of resources more than of the people. Further, I would suspect that in large part it had to do with the economies of each power as they entered the Americas. The Spanish were first and their brand of mercantalism demanded a degree of gold. The French were next, and not finding gold, they went for trading pelts. The English were last, and they were there largely as the result of cash crops.

But I'm no expert on the subject.

[Nets]

Qatz I'm still not seeing that 90% kill rate you quoted....

Yes, Acadians were forced out in a land dispute...where do you see the genocide numbers though?