Danholo wrote:
Another book that was recommended by a friend is titled "The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust" by Tom Segev.
This is probably a book Nets and tailz would probably enjoy as well!
I'll have to look that up one day. Sounds very interesting.
Pleb wrote:
I have a few opinions and I want to justify them with cherrypicked facts. That's the way PoFo taught me to argue.
Aahhh, cherry picking. I try not to cherry pick, but one can not help it at times as selective use of data is how most argument platforms are built to prove one case or another - but O do recommend against it. Broaden your horizons, take in as much as you can, absorb as much fact (not here-say) about your subject as you can.
I'm constantly swallowing up information, and thus my stance on issues waxes and wanes depending upon the information I have at that particular time. In a way I find it interesting how people try to fix their perceptions to one stand point, and then become confounded when information arises that contradicts that stand point, but yet have invested so much in their position that they can't accept the new data as anything other than flawed information.
So I'd recommend against cherry-picking, dive into the literature and search for details, any details, about the subject your interested in. Take for example my hobby of studying the Second World War - I have read good stuff from Allied folks, but the information by the guys on the-other side of the hill is also very interesting.
I'm not so interested in Warfare. What interests me is Nationbuilding within Israel, how did all of these groups integrate into one country? The example of the Arab Jews is interesting because it shows that even within Judaism, there's a hierarchy of race. I'm interested to see how a group of European Zionists convinced a group of Arab Jews to share the same indentity and intertwine their fates. I'm suspicious of the simplistic antisemitism narrative. I find it hard to believe that the antisemitism faced by the European Jews in the late ninteenth and early twentieth centuries was the same as the antisemitism in the Arab world. The forces that put the European Jews in a position of power and alienation probably weren't present in the pre-capitalist Arab world. So I'd love to know the processes through which the Arab Jews came to identify with the Zionists. In fact while were here I'd need a history of Jews in the Muslim worlds
Thats very interesting, I'd love to look into that as well. Have you looked into how those Arabs became Jews? Their own personal history and origins?
I'm interested to see how they fared within Israel adjusting to the strange new sociopolitical rules. I'm interested to see how they adapted to the new politics of language. Arab was a dirty word for a while, what happened to their native tongues?
More than likely suppressed as I assume after the wars, being an Arab in Israel would not have been advantageous considering the Arabs just tried to invade.
The other thing that interests me is efforts made (pre Israeli in particular) by Zionists and Muslims to work together. Transcending nationalism is usually a Socialist endavour, hence my lean to the left
I have to say I have been quite interested in this aspect for a long time - there must be some research relating to Jewish and Arab relations prior to Zionism itself. As I always thought the true conflict between Arab and Jew started with the arrival of separatist Zionist Jews in comparison to the Jews who already were there living as a apart of the existing communities.