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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 04:35
Every now and then, you come along a site or group of people that are quite different to the norm associated with said group.

I stumbeld across http://www.nazi.org/ tonight, the website of the 'Libertarian National Socialist Green Party'.

I found some of the articles here to be really good, others, garbage - yet this is to be expected from any site with Nazi insignia - I just focused on the good.

My biggest problem with groups like this is how much I can identify with them, yet loathe them at the same time; their use of Nazi symbols/pictures and their racial-views are nothing but detrimental to totalitarian politics.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 14:11
It sounds like an elaborate joke. How can you be a libertarian in any version and a Nazi at the same time? :knife: Never mind the Green part, no doubt thrown in to make something insane sound monstrously insane.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 14:40
Actually, In Germany in the early 1980s, Nazis tried to infiltrate the Green Party, but they were largely purged. It is based upon a neonazi idea that the 'Volk' requires the good land to live on, and environmental protection is required to preserve the white race. As for the Libertarian part, Nazis were quite financially libertarian in some areas, with social darwinistic views.

I can say that this party is unfortuantely genuine, I have read of it before.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 14:55
Yes but as wierd as it sounds they supposedly aren't racists and are just nationalists.... Very decieving in my opinion because with the swastika comes the idea of racial pride and hatred of the lesser peoples they believe...... Pathetic way to think.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 15:01
http://www.nazi.org/party/flyers/flyer2.jpg

I'm pretty sure they do claim to be racist (check link)
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 15:09
Hmmmm very wierd... They seemed tollerant of jews and latinos.... but they hate afican americans?? Racists..... never go soft on those nazi bastards. Those sickos have the sickest ideas in the world.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 15:19
I've no clue why some hate my latin people.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 17:32
I do not understand that picture either - unless it is not designed to be racist - as they claim to have African-Americans in their party.

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I've no clue why some hate my latin people.


Because they're sad, angry people. I would say they're lonely, but unfortunately, they are definately not alone.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 17:34
Der Freiheitsucher wrote:
I've no clue why some hate my latin people.


Jealousy.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 17:35
I agree, Goldstein. They envy our women, our dance, our weather and our realy manly beards.
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I envy those manly beards on your women.
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My biggest problem with groups like this is how much I can identify with them, yet loathe them at the same time; their use of Nazi symbols/pictures and their racial-views are nothing but detrimental to totalitarian politics



The History of the SwastikaThe Oldest Known Symbol
The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years.
That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.

During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:

China - wan
England - fylfot
Germany - Hakenkreuz
Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
India - swastika
Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.
The Original Meaning
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

A Change in Meaning
In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

Hitler and the Nazis
In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)

On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.

What Does the Swastika Mean Now?
There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.

These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.

Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?

In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.

Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.

But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.


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GOOD LUCK EMBLEM
"The Swastika" is the oldest cross and emblem in the world. It forms a combination of four "L's" standing for Luck, Light, Love and Life. It has been found in ancient Rome, excavations in Grecian cities, on Buddhist idols, on Chinese coins dated 315 B.C., and our own Southwest Indians use it as an amulet.

It is claimed that the Mound Builders and Cliff Dwellers of Mexico, Central America consider "The Swastika" a charm to drive away evil and bring good luck, long life and prosperity to the possessor.


It should be noted that this text is not entirely accurate: The Mound Builders inhabited the Ohio River Valley and the Cliff Dwellers lived in the Southwestern United States; however, both did use the swastika, as did the Mayas of Mexico. Furthermore, although the swastika may look like four "L's" to one who uses the Roman alphabet, in Greek it forms four Gammas ("G's"), in Hebrew it can be seen as four Daleths ("D's"), and among the non-literate people of North America, it corresponded to no letters at all. Thus the ascription of Luck, Light, Love, and Life to the amulet is simply an English mnemonic, although it is prettily reinforced on this card by images of a horseshoe (luck), the rising Sun (light), twin hearts (love), and Earth (life). Finally, not mentioned in the text is the swastika's use as the specific emblem of Ganesha, the Hindu god of good luck, who is also represented as an elephant.

At left is a very nice American-made beaded item from the 1920s that bears the initials J.B.Y. and a black swastika on a white background. It is a simple strap-woven seed-bead piece of the type often made for a merit badge by Girl and Boy Scouts, or, as in this case, woven on a "while you wait" basis by American Indians for tourists at places like the Fred Harvey hotel chain in Arizona and New Mexico. It was found in an estate collection of Native American bead-work that had been put away and wrapped in 1929-dated newspapers. The twisted cotton threads terminate in a brass pin for hanging.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 20:29
I'm not surpised Nazis would infiltrate other parties, they need to do that in order to actually have a strong influence. Some neo-Nazis from the Canadian racist group Heritage Front tried to join the Reform Party in the early 1990's, they were booted out on their asses.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Mar 2004, 18:27
Yes because they know that they will get no open support at least at large because the people that join are little kids that got beaten up and picked on in school and such.....
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Mar 2004, 18:45
Socialist-BLUE-Gonzo wrote:
Yes because they know that they will get no open support at least at large because the people that join are little kids that got beaten up and picked on in school and such.....


like communists and goths right?
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Mar 2004, 22:28
Murdoc wrote:
It sounds like an elaborate joke.


ding ding ding...we have a winner. :D
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar 2004, 11:12
This groups is like the national bolsheviks!!! :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar 2004, 21:49
well I think that national bolsheviks actually take themselves seriously as does a notabley large population of people... With this party, there is aboslutely no denying that it is a joke. The party is a living paradox.. An environmentalist, libertarian, nazi party? How can any logical person not see the inherent contradictions in the combination of those ideologies? There is no denying that this was juust an elaborate joke by a group of really bored poli-sci majors from Berkely. They probably wanted to see, out of curiousity, how many looneys and morons would actually register to as a member of that party. If I'm wong, I'll do backflips. :p
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar 2004, 22:09
Well, "end-stage" National Socialism would have been a Blut und Boden approach to life, agrarian, soil-based life. Joachim Fest details this quite well in his book entitled, quite succintly, Hitler. Environmentalism isn't that far away from the Aryan myth the Nazis promulgated.
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Apr 2004, 13:34
All the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party does is plagiarize and parrot the views of Noam Chomsky. Both are Libertarian like I'm a Bolshevik.
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