[Julian658]

Atheism is simply without theism.
Attributing anything more to it is just opinion. Baseless opinion at that.

I agree, but atheists are fully capable of taking illogical positions with regards to other topics. Atheism is associated with a slightly higher IQ, but they are not immune from accepting the incorrect position in many issues.

[Julian658]

No. I do not accept that.

I'm not a BOT.

(That's exactly what a bot would say, of course.)

The real question, is, "Are you a bot?". I've been on this forum for a very long time.

OK, it does not really matter if you are a BOT or not. You are correct.

The main issue is your resistance to accept that some people take non-religious subjects so seriously that it becomes a pseudo-religion. This is easy to observe if you pay attention.

[Godstud]

I find that @Julian658 to be merely your opinion. I need not accept that as written law.

[Julian658]

I find that @Julian658 to be merely your opinion. I need not accept that as written law.

What would it take for you to believe this is happening? A double blind placebo study? I don't think there is such a thing.

[Godstud]

I have to believe your opinion and take is as fact?

It is an opinion. It's not fact. If it was a fact, you'd be able to show be a source to support this "idea" of yours.

I do not think you know what pseudoreligion means, anyways...
Pseudoreligion, or pseudotheology, is a generally pejorative term applied to a non-mainstream belief system or philosophy which is functionally similar to a religious movement, typically having a founder, principal text, liturgy and faith-based beliefs. https://www.definitions.net/definition/Pseudoreligion

[Besoeker2]

I agree, but atheists are fully capable of taking illogical positions with regards to other topics.

Theism IS illogical.

[Julian658]

Theism IS illogical.

Theism is illogical, I agree.
Atheism is also illogical.

The better position is agnosticism.

But, the point is that atheists are fully capable of making illogical decisions. In that regard they are no different than the theists.

[Julian658]

I have to believe your opinion and take is as fact?

It is an opinion. It's not fact. If it was a fact, you'd be able to show be a source to support this "idea" of yours.

I do not think you know what pseudoreligion means, anyways...
Pseudoreligion, or pseudotheology, is a generally pejorative term applied to a non-mainstream belief system or philosophy which is functionally similar to a religious movement, typically having a founder, principal text, liturgy and faith-based beliefs. https://www.definitions.net/definition/Pseudoreligion

I knew what a pseudoreligion is. Thanks!

I=
noun
noun: I; plural noun: I's; plural noun: Is; noun: i; plural noun: is
1.
the ninth letter of the alphabet.
denoting the next after H in a set of items, categories, etc.
2.
the Roman numeral for one.


know
/nō/
verb
past tense: knew
1.
be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
"most people know that CFCs can damage the ozone layer"
synonyms: be aware, realize, be conscious, have knowledge, be informed, have information;


what
/(h)wət,(h)wät/
pronoun
pronoun: what
1.
asking for information specifying something.
"what is your name?"
asking for repetition of something not heard or confirmation of something not understood.
"what? I can't hear you"
2.
the thing or things that (used in specifying something).
"what we need is a commitment"
(referring to the whole of an amount) whatever.
"I want to do what I can to make a difference"

thanks
/THaNGks/
noun
plural noun: thanks
an expression of gratitude.
"festivals were held to give thanks for the harvest"
synonyms: gratitude, gratefulness, appreciation; More
another way of saying thank you.
"thanks for being so helpful"

[MrWonderful]

However, the appearance of atheism in the 20th century was associated with pragmatism and over a 100 million died in the name of socialist atheists.

Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of communism." - Vladimir Lenin

“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics

[Julian658]

Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of communism." - Vladimir Lenin

“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics

No disagreement.
I am always enthralled as to why Atheists always condemned the Crusades (the first one a 1000 years ago) and always negate the murders of the commie atheists in the 20th century. This is significant because atheists see themselves as enlightened intellectuals.

[Pants-of-dog]

Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of communism." - Vladimir Lenin

“When I feed the poor, they call me a saint, but when I ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist.”
― Dom Helder Camara Archbishop of Recife in Brazil

[Besoeker2]

Theism is illogical, I agree.
Atheism is also illogical.

Care to provide a reasoned, logical explanation for that claim?

[Julian658]

Care to provide a reasoned, logical explanation for that claim?

Don't get me wrong! Atheism is a very strong position and I have no issues with the concept of atheism.

I am mostly concerned with the secondary themes that many atheists attach to atheism. For example, the militancy, the newbie atheist philosophy, and the Christianophobia. Many atheists also fail to see the importance of religion in the development of Western Civilization

[Besoeker2]

Don't get me wrong! Atheism is a very strong position and I have no issues with the concept of atheism.

I am mostly concerned with the secondary themes that many atheists attach to atheism. For example, the militancy, the newbie atheist philosophy, and the Christianophobia. Many atheists also fail to see the importance of religion in the development of Western Civilization

Then count me out.

[Julian658]

Then count me out.

Oops, did I described you? No worries, is no big deal.

[Besoeker2]

Oops, did I described you?

Nowhere near.

[Godstud]

I am always enthralled as to why Atheists always condemned the Crusades (the first one a 1000 years ago) and always negate the murders of the commie atheists in the 20th century.

They don't. Anyone with any sense realizes it was done for reasons of greed and power within the Church.

The Communist, Fascist and the Democratic countries can indeed be terrible, but religion, or lack thereof, is not truly as large a factor as you'd like to imply. Wars and genocides are for territory, power, and control. Religion is a controlling factor. Some ideologies would seek to subvert this for the obvious reason that they don't want competition.

For example, the militancy, the newbie atheist philosophy, and the Christianophobia. Many atheists also fail to see the importance of religion in the development of Western Civilization

There are very few Atheists who would fit your silly description, here, let alone anywhere.

[Julian658]

They don't. Anyone with any sense realizes it was done for reasons of greed and power within the Church.

The Communist, Fascist and the Democratic countries can indeed be terrible, but religion, or lack thereof, is not truly as large a factor as you'd like to imply. Wars and genocides are for territory, power, and control. Religion is a controlling factor. Some ideologies would seek to subvert this for the obvious reason that they don't want competition.

Ultimately war is about power and control. The issue is rather simple--------------comparing the barbaric actions of men that lived in the 20th century with the actions of men that lived near 1000 years ago is not equivalent. In the ancient past MANKIND was barbaric and not enlightened. The commies of the 20th century should have behaved in a MUCH better manner. Expecting 20-21st century ethics for men that lived hundreds of years ago is clearly illogical.

bar·bar·ic
/bärˈberik/
adjective
1.
savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.
"he had carried out barbaric acts in the name of war"
synonyms: cruel, brutal, barbarous, brutish, bestial, savage, vicious, fierce, ferocious, wicked, nasty, ruthless, remorseless, merciless, villainous, murderous, heinous, nefarious, monstrous, base, low, lowdown, vile, inhuman, infernal, dark, black, black-hearted, fiendish, hellish, diabolical, ghastly, horrible
"the regime's barbaric crimes were exposed after the war was over"
2.
primitive; unsophisticated.
"the barbaric splendor he found in civilizations since destroyed"
synonyms: uncivilized, primitive, unsophisticated, barbarous, heathen; More

[Godstud]

You don't have to be a twat, @Julian658 . I pointed out the definition for pseudo-religious, because you were using the word improperly.

Ideologies of control don't like religion competing. Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Excusing the Crusades as being what "barbaric" people did, is ignoring the reality, that men have been seeking control and power forever. It was equivalent. You asserting that it's not, is ridiculous.

How many wars were about power in the Middle Ages, or even before? eg. Rome... Was that not about power and control? Are you going to pretend that Rome's Empire wasn't about control and power? What about the Egyptian Pharoahs, and their empires?

No. You're the one being illogical by ignoring human nature and the politics of power and control.

[Julian658]

:roll: You don't have to be a twat, @Julian658 . I pointed out the definition for pseudo-religious, because you were using the word improperly.

Ideologies of control don't like religion competing. Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Excusing the Crusades as being what "barbaric" people did, is ignoring the reality, that men have been seeking control and power forever. It was equivalent. You asserting that it's not, is ridiculous.

How many wars were about power in the Middle Ages, or even before? eg. Rome... Was that not about power and control? Are you going to pretend that Rome's Empire wasn't about control and power? What about the Egyptian Pharoahs, and their empires?

No. You're the one being illogical by ignoring human nature and the politics of power and control.

I am glad you recognize the silliness of posting the definition of words that are mundane.

I agree with your post. Mankind has always been violent and bellicose. Having said that the Crusades had much less atrocity than the murders by the commies in the 20th century. For the love of God the commies massacred their own people for a mere difference of opinion.