Julian658 wrote:Here you go:
The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour (Russian: Храм Христа Спасителя, Khram Khrista Spasitelya) is a Russian Orthodox cathedral in Moscow, Russia.
The current church is the second to stand on this site. The original church, built during the 19th century, took more than 40 years to build, and was the
scene of the 1882 world premiere of the 1812 Overture composed by Tchaikovsky. It was destroyed in 1931 on the order of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin.
Your original claim was that “for the murderous commies atheism was an essential component of the doctrine. And they killed for just a disagreement and they intensely hated Christians and Jews.”
Now, I completely believe that anti-Semitism was common in Soviet Russia in 1931. From my understanding of history, anti-Semitism was common throughout most of Europe in 1931. But the demolition of a church does not support any claim of anti-Semitism.
Nor does it support any claim about killing.
While it may indicate hatred of Christianity, it is possible the church was demolished for other reasons.
From the Wikipedia article on the church:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedr ... he_Saviour
The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour (Russian: Храм Христа Спасителя, Khram Khrista Spasitelya) is a Russian Orthodox cathedral in Moscow, Russia, on the northern bank of the Moskva River, a few hundred metres southwest of the Kremlin. With an overall height of 103 metres (338 ft), it is the tallest Orthodox Christian church in the world.
The current church is the second to stand on this site. The original church, built during the 19th century, took more than 40 years to build, and was the scene of the 1882 world premiere of the 1812 Overture composed by Tchaikovsky. It was destroyed in 1931 on the order of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin. The demolition was supposed to make way for a colossal Palace of the Soviets to house the country's legislature, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Construction started in 1937 but was halted in 1941 when Germany invaded the Soviet Union during World War II. Its steel frame was disassembled the following year, and the Palace was never built. Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the current church was rebuilt on the site between 1995 and 2000.
In 2018, it was reported that the foundations of the church were sinking and a massive campaign of underpinning and reconstruction was needed.
Please note the bolded text. This seems to indicate that the reasons were not about atheism, but instead were about urban planning.
Just because you are a good communist in love with the utopia does not mean other commies are good people.
In my experience most socialists and communists are pragmatic. The end justifies the means is common in communism.
It only takes a few bad apples at the top to cause havoc and to spread evil. Most Muslims are nice, but it only took 19 Muslims to destroy the twin towers in New York. You are a bit naive.
Perhaps I am naive.
In my (perhaps limited) experience, I have noticed that the most complex answer to a question is usually the one that is the closest to the truth, when you are discussing history or politics or science.
So, if the question is “Is atheism evil?”, the truest answer would be “sometiems yes and sometimes no, but most often it would be irrelevant to the evil we cause”, or something like that.
So, if you think that Marxists hate religion, I would say that it would be more correct to say that some Marxists hate religion, other Marxists embrace it, and when we analyse the supposed conflicts between the Church and Marxist groups, we see that they are usually more multifaceted than a simple conflict between atheism and theism.
Rugoz wrote:Religions are ideologies. They have books with rules and ideas you're supposed to believe in otherwise you end up burning in hell.
The idea that religions do not cause conflict is so utterly prepesterous it isn't even worth debating.
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
Yes, the Albigensian Crusade is probably the clearest example of a war fought over religion.