[Puffer Fish]

Dude, so if you agree to have sex with another dude because you were particularly experimental that night, and 2 days later this dude shows up in your house and forcefully undresses you and repeatedly thrust his penis in [you] until he is satisfied despite your objections and struggles, in your eyes, this is consensual sex and not rape because at some point in the past you gave your consent? You are delutional.

If I was a lesbian and had agreed to experiment with a guy, and then two days later that same guy came back and raped me, then I do not think the law should view that as being as serious as ordinary rape. There should still of course be some punishment, but it would be a huge mitigating factor.

If a person agrees to sex with someone before and has consensual sex with that person, then it is a strong indicator that the sex was not that bad.
Now obviously if 10 years go by between those two encounters, that could very much be a different situation.

[Godstud]

There are no mitigating circumstances in sexual assault. You're pretending there are, but there aren't.

[quote="Puffer Fish?]If a person agrees to sex with someone before and has consensual sex with that person, then it is a strong indicator that the sex was not that bad.
Now obviously if 10 years go by between those two encounters, that could very much be a different situation.[/quote] It's irrelevant. The quality of sex if irrelevant.

You need to have consent from BOTH adults, to engage in sex. It's really just that fucking simple, but you're clearly pushing some kind of agenda where you think a man in a marriage is ENTITLED to sex from his wife.

This isn't the case any more than a man buying a dinner and taking a woman to a movie, being entitled to sex.

[XogGyux]

If I was a lesbian and had agreed to experiment with a guy, and then two days later that same guy came back and raped me, then I do not think the law should view that as being as serious as ordinary rape. There should still of course be some punishment, but it would be a huge mitigating factor.

If a person agrees to sex with someone before and has consensual sex with that person, then it is a strong indicator that the sex was not that bad.
Now obviously if 10 years go by between those two encounters, that could very much be a different situation.

I feel pitty for you and for whomever you manage to trick into being your spouse if any.

[Puffer Fish]

Some people LIKE hurting each other during sex, but give each other consent to do so.

If a husband forces his wife to engage in some extreme fetish sex, then obviously that is not normal sex.

The marriage defense would not apply, in that case, or would apply much less.

[Godstud]

If a husband forces his wife to engage in some extreme fetish sex, then obviously that is not normal sex

. NO!!! If he FORCES her to engage in it, then that means consent is not given.

You do not have to FORCE someone who has given consent.

The marriage defense would not apply, in that case, or would apply much less.

Marriage is not a defense for rape. What you think is wrong both morally and legally.

[Puffer Fish]

There are no mitigating circumstances in sexual assault. You're pretending there are, but there aren't.

So you think if someone has sex with a street prostitute without their consent, that is the exact same thing as raping a virgin who is trying to save herself for marriage??

I think anyone can see that this idea of yours is ridiculous.

[XogGyux]

I am done wasting my time with the rapist clown. Sayonara.

[Godstud]

So you think if someone has sex with a street prostitute without their consent, that is the exact same thing as raping a virgin??

Rape is rape, you fucking tool.

A virgin is a woman.

A prostitute is a woman.

The virgin might be a horrible person.

The prostitute might be an wonderful person.

They are both WOMEN(I am assuming age of consent, of course).

No. What I am saying is NOT ridiculous but to an asshole who condones marital rape, then it might be, and I don't give a fuck.

@Puffer Fish You are condoning rape. It's deplorable and disgusting. it also makes you look like a sexual predator.

[Puffer Fish]

Rape is rape, you fucking tool.

A virgin is a woman.

A prostitute is a woman.

The prostitute has sex with multiple men every night and will have sex with almost any man who gives her money.

Having sex with her without consent might almost be like stealing her services without paying money.

[Godstud]

Yes, but she gives CONSENT!

CONSENT
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.

Can you not understand the most fundamental part of what rape is?

Rape is sex without consent!
The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape. Fondling or unwanted sexual touching. Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's body.

Whether the woman has had sex or never had it, is irrelevant!!

[XogGyux]

Yes, but she gives CONSENT!

CONSENT
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.

Can you not understand the most fundamental part of what rape is?

Rape is sex without consent!
The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape. Fondling or unwanted sexual touching. Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's body.

Whether the woman has had sex or never had it, is irrelevant!!

This is the kind of person that would not mind fucking raping an unconscious woman on a ventilator. Yuk.

[Puffer Fish]

CONSENT
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.

Can you not understand the most fundamental part of what rape is?

Did it ever occur to you that your assumed definition of what rape is might not be entirely correct?

That it is a rule that applies in most circumstances, but does not apply to all?

To use a science analogy here, sort of like the equations that govern Newtonian physics. They are mostly accurate, but in certain situations cease to accurately describe reality.

[Puffer Fish]

This is the kind of person that would not mind fucking raping an unconscious woman on a ventilator. Yuk.

If she were your WIFE.

Seriously? You think a husband who is caught having sex with his wife while she is passed out in a coma should be punished just like as if it had been some strange man raping the woman?

[Godstud]

Did it ever occur to you that your assumed definition of what rape is might not be entirely correct?

it is correct. I gave you the very definition of it.

That it is a rule that applies in most circumstances, but does not apply to all?

It applies to all. Previous consent given might be implied consent, and implied consent is not sufficient. You need explicit consent.

Explicit
stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt.

To use a science analogy here, sort of like the equations that govern Newtonian physics. They are mostly accurate, but in certain situations cease to accurately describe reality.

Not comparable. We are dealing with humans, not physics.

If she were your WIFE.

It would still be rape! Unconscious people cannot give consent.

Seriously? You think a husband who is caught having sex with his wife while she is passed out in a coma should be punished just like as if it had been some strange man raping the woman?

YES. One hundred times, YES! You'd be a rapist, regardless, and a low-life piece of shit.

How can you call a woman your wife when you don't respect her, love her, and treat her like a piece of meat?


You're fucked in the head, @Puffer Fish

[Puffer Fish]

Rape is sex without consent!
The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape. Fondling or unwanted sexual touching. Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's body.

Whether the woman has had sex or never had it, is irrelevant!!

Even if marital rape were categorised as a type of rape, that would still not make the difference irrelevant.

If you were attempting to imply that, you have gotten very casual with your logic.


There are different degrees of "rape", different levels. It's not all exactly the same. Some are much worse than others.

[pugsville]

Not when it's between husband and wife. Then it's not that simple.

Unless it's one of these new age marriages that aren't really intended to mean anything, where it's seen as perfectly fine for the man or woman to have an affair on the side.

In your view, the man and woman haven't really consented to anything when they entered a marriage, and the marriage imposes no obligations or restrictions on either of them.
So I think that's the difference here.

No that is not what the law says. Sex without consent is Rape.

It;s the very definition of Rape.

You opinion and saying stuff neither changes the law nor the definition of Rape.

It's an objective reality thing. Either you willing to accept objective reality or you are not.

[Saeko]

If she were your WIFE.

Seriously? You think a husband who is caught having sex with his wife while she is passed out in a coma should be punished just like as if it had been some strange man raping the woman?

Yes.

[Godstud]

Even if marital rape were categorised as a type of rape, that would still not make the difference irrelevant.

It's called MARITAL RAPE!! How dense are you?

If you were attempting to imply that, you have gotten very casual with your logic.

I gave you the definitions. If you don't like them, then that's too bad. You arguments are ignorant and flawed.

There are different degrees of "rape", different levels. It's not all exactly the same.

Yes, but you don't fucking know them.

First Degree Sexual Assault
First degree sexual assault (sometimes referred to as aggravated sexual assault) is the most severe degree of the crime.

To be convicted of first degree sexual assault, the prosecution must prove that:

Sexual penetration occurred
One of the following situations:
The victim was under the age of 13
The victim ranges in age from 13-18, and one of the following:
A member of the same household as the perpetrator
A relative of the perpetrator
The perpetrator was in a position of authority over the victim
The perpetrator was aided by another person or assailant, and one of the following:
The victim was incapacitated
The perpetrator used some form of force or coercion to assault the victim
The perpetrator was armed with a weapon
The victim was injured
The assault occurred while another crime was being committed by the perpetrator
Punishments for first degree sexual assault, while ultimately up to the judge, can result in a life sentence to prison.


Second Degree Sexual Assault
Second degree sexual assault differs slightly from first degree in that it doesn’t include sexual penetration. However, from a legal standpoint, it is considered equally as damaging as first degree assault due to the violent nature of the crime and/or the victim’s inability to consent.

To be convicted of second degree sexual assault, the prosecution must prove that:

Sexual contact occurred
Any of the situations listed in the requirements for first degree sexual assault (other than sexual penetration) occurred.
Convictions for second degree sexual assault typically do not result in life imprisonment, but sentences of up to fifteen years are common.



Third Degree Sexual Assault
Third degree sexual assault, while less violent that first and second degree, is still a very serious crime.

To be convicted of third degree sexual assault, the prosecution must prove that:

Sexual penetration occurred
One of the following circumstances:
The victim was a minor
The victim was forced and/or coerced
The victim was incapacitated at the time
Third degree sexual assault also carries a sentence of up to fifteen years in prison.


Fourth Degree Sexual Assault
To be convicted of fourth degree sexual assault, the prosecution must prove that:

Sexual contact occurred
One of the following circumstances:
The victim was a minor
The victim was forced and/or coerced
The victim was incapacitated at the time
Punishments for fourth degree sexual assault vary more widely than the first three degrees, and heavily depend on the circumstances of the case.
https://quinnanlaw.com/sexual-assault/d ... l-assault/


Raping your wife in a coma would fall under First Degree Sexual Assault.

[pugsville]

The prostitute has sex with multiple men every night and will have sex with almost any man who gives her money.

Having sex with her without consent might almost be like stealing her services without paying money.

No it is rape.

[Saeko]

We live among literal orcs.