- 24 Mar 2024 16:36
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So what? Are you saying that nothing should disqualify any citizen from voting? How about age? Should five-year-olds have the vote? If not, WHY not, and why does that same reason not apply to someone with a mental age of five?
No I'm not. You simply made that up. I am only assuming that whether someone had access to appropriate, timely, free and public education is irrelevant to whether they are NOW at liberty to inform themselves enough to pass a fairly undemanding test of knowledge before voting.
In your opinion. You appear not to object to immigrants having to satisfy certain criteria to become citizens. Why should there not be a different or slightly more restrictive standard for voting, just as there is for holding public office? Again, children are citizens, but cannot vote. Why should the same reasoning that prevents children from voting not apply to adults who have similar impediments to casting an informed and responsible vote?
Because the language of law and government is English, and if you don't understand it, you likely won't cast an informed and responsible vote.
It seems to be... for you, that is.
Right. And we have laws that ARE discriminatory, for example against children, felons, etc. There is a reason for that. So why should the same reason not apply to adults who are in a similar situation to children?
Lots of accommodations are already made for such people. There is nothing about being blind or wheelchair-bound that stops someone from casting an informed and responsible vote. There IS something about being a child, mentally impaired, or just uninformed that stops them.
So why not five-year-olds?
Yes, if you are a Republican.
Go to any Trump rally and try to persuade yourself that those active people are aware. I dare you.
And if they think the failure was a success?
So why don't five-year-olds?
Tainari88 wrote:We are talking about voting TTP. Not trying to be a chemical engineer and never taking an engineering class.
So what? Are you saying that nothing should disqualify any citizen from voting? How about age? Should five-year-olds have the vote? If not, WHY not, and why does that same reason not apply to someone with a mental age of five?
And you are assuming that all people had equal access to an appropriate and timely education that is free and public.
No I'm not. You simply made that up. I am only assuming that whether someone had access to appropriate, timely, free and public education is irrelevant to whether they are NOW at liberty to inform themselves enough to pass a fairly undemanding test of knowledge before voting.
Many people come as immigrants to the USA and do not have appropriate educations. But they get jobs, pay taxes and do a lot to become US naturalized citizens. So they have a right to vote.
In your opinion. You appear not to object to immigrants having to satisfy certain criteria to become citizens. Why should there not be a different or slightly more restrictive standard for voting, just as there is for holding public office? Again, children are citizens, but cannot vote. Why should the same reasoning that prevents children from voting not apply to adults who have similar impediments to casting an informed and responsible vote?
For example many Puerto Ricans are like my husband was. He preferred ballots in Spanish. If he voted he wanted to read the issues and the topics in Spanish. In Denver County he has a right to vote in Spanish. His native language. If he felt uncomfortable in the English language should his right to vote be infringed upon and denied? Why?
Because the language of law and government is English, and if you don't understand it, you likely won't cast an informed and responsible vote.
No, it is not that hard TTP.
It seems to be... for you, that is.
You either have rights to vote that are nondiscriminatory or you do not.
Right. And we have laws that ARE discriminatory, for example against children, felons, etc. There is a reason for that. So why should the same reason not apply to adults who are in a similar situation to children?
How about ballots in Braille for the visually impaired? How about people who are in wheelchairs and have a hard time getting to an in-person location? There are a lot of scenarios that are really about nondiscrimination eh?
Lots of accommodations are already made for such people. There is nothing about being blind or wheelchair-bound that stops someone from casting an informed and responsible vote. There IS something about being a child, mentally impaired, or just uninformed that stops them.
Mentally impaired people also should be able to vote. Manic depressives, sociopaths, people with bipolar disorder, and so on.
So why not five-year-olds?
So, a lot of people disagree with my politics and my political column might lose. Do I think of a scheme where I deny them a vote because they are just dummies for not voting for my political persuasion?
Yes, if you are a Republican.
Or am I for human rights in the ballot box, and think let as many people get involved in the political process because an active community is an aware community
Go to any Trump rally and try to persuade yourself that those active people are aware. I dare you.
and I think humanity has to make the effort to think in ways about how to solve the many problems they face in this world? Something fails, and hopefully, people discard it and then try another option until they find something that they think is working for all or many better than the last options.
And if they think the failure was a success?
I do not like Trump voters. But they have a right to cast a vote for that conman. Lol.
So why don't five-year-olds?