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#15138073
I would say everything on this list applies to China with the possible exceptions of #4 and 8. We could call this "fascism with Chinese characteristics".

"Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy."

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
#15138077
China never had a fascist party to my knowledge, so they have no baggage if they want to be fascists and call it communism. They get to define what the word communism means in the Chinese context since they're in charge and modernly, I think there's as much fascism and geo-libertarianism in there as there is Marxism.
#15138830
Unthinking Majority wrote:I would say everything on this list applies to China with the possible exceptions of #4 and 8.

I'm going to tell you that #4 and 8 are partially true in this situation.

China has set up their own "Three-Self Patriotic Movement", which is almost a church co-opted by Chinese Communist ideology.
Maybe you should read more about the exact religious situation in China. It's not exactly completely free.
Theoretically it's illegal to join a church which is not the "Three-Self Patriotic Movement" controlled by the government and Chinese Communist Party, but this goes largely unenforced, unless the government finds some particular reason in specific situations to crack down.

China's education and (internal) propaganda almost borders on militaristic nationalism, in many ways. Which of course is highly ironic because the Communist ideology is "not supposed to" be like that. Yet in practice it often is (Soviet Union, North Korea, etc).
#15138838
Can't help but notice the extent to which this list applies to everywhere that isn't a liberal democracy. Additionally, Chiang Kai-Shek's Kuomintang is often described as having been at least semi-fascistic in nature.
#15138841
Local Localist wrote:Can't help but notice the extent to which this list applies to everywhere that isn't a liberal democracy. Additionally, Chiang Kai-Shek's Kuomintang is often described as having been at least semi-fascistic in nature.

And by extension, so was the early government of Taiwan.

But you have to remember, they were in a near state of war. I don't know if it's totally fair to judge a leadership in that type of situation.
But usually fascistic leaderships arise in times close to war, so there is probably a connection.

Even the government of South Korea was kind of fascistic for a few decades after the Korean War.
#15138844
Puffer Fish wrote:Even the government of South Korea was kind of fascistic for a few decades after the Korean War.


Well, South Korean politicians had been trained by Japanese fascists for a few decades after the war, after all.
#15144293
I think whatever you call it, fascist, totalitarian, communist, the core of is the same. The CCP just will not have freedom of belief and speech and will not tolerate anyone who believes a higher power than the CCP.
#15145467
@Unthinking Majority You are making the typical assumption that the activist was NOT causing trouble. This is a bias I see a lot from Americans, or people who know very little about China.

The indictment sheet released last week said Zhang had sent “false information through text, video and other media through the internet media such as WeChat, Twitter and YouTube”.

“She also accepted interviews from overseas media Free Radio Asia and Epoch Times and maliciously speculated on Wuhan’s Covid-19 epidemic,” it said. A sentence of four to five years was recommended.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -crackdown

Falun Gong is a terrorist organization just recently removed from the FBI list. It's a dangerous cult, a la The Moonies. Epoch Times are owned by members of the Falun Gong. His connection to this likely harmed him.

Now... I am not saying that this was completely justified, but this could hardly be considered a fascist sentence, considering that USA still has Guantanamo Bay, where "criminals" do not even get trials. A case of pot calling the kettle black, methinks.
#15145471
Godstud wrote:@Unthinking Majority You are making the typical assumption that the activist was NOT causing trouble. This is a bias I see a lot from Americans, or people who know very little about China.
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Now... I am not saying that this was completely justified, but this could hardly be considered a fascist sentence, considering that USA still has Guantanamo Bay, where "criminals" do not even get trials. A case of pot calling the kettle black, methinks.

I'm not American. Talk about assumptions... :lol: I've also told you this like 4 times now.

"Spreading false information" is another way of saying "if you report on things we don't want people to know and which doesn't go through the proper propaganda channels, it is false information and you will be jailed".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -crackdown

“The slew of detentions of those who speak out will only further impede the flow of information about the situation in China,” Human Rights Watch researcher Yaqiu Wang said. “Governments around the world should press Beijing to release wrongfully detained journalists and activists immediately.”
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#15145473
I am trying to look at it objectively, which is something people like you do not want to do. You look at it from a nice indoctrinated American point of view. You also didn't read what I said.

Spreading lies and false information about Covid-19 may be the way of doing things in America or wherever the heck you live, but it isn't permissible everywhere. I'd like to see this punished for the harm it can do to society.

The "world" likes to condemn China for it's abuses of the dangerous cult, the Falun Gong, as well. The Falun Gong used to be on the FBI terrorist list, incidentally.

Yes, China has some problems with human rights. Pick a country, and you'll see the same... including Canada.

As for that... pot calling the kettle black, right... or haven't you been paying attention?
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/c ... ted-states
#15145475
Godstud wrote:I am trying to look at it objectively, which is something people like you do not want to do. You look at it from a nice indoctrinated American point of view. You also didn't read what I said.

I'm not American, therefore I don't have an American point of view.

Spreading lies and false information about Covid-19 may be the way of doing things in America or wherever the heck you live, but it isn't permissible everywhere. I'd like to see this punished for the harm it can do to society.

Ok so you're a fascist. What false information did this person spread? They were jailed for "causing trouble", not spreading false info. It's remarkable that, with no evidence, you take the CCP at it's word. Are you on the CCP payroll too?

You are a true Canadian proudly following in the Trudeau's love for commie dictators:

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-tru ... f-tyrants/

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/201 ... dent-fidel

As for that... pot calling the kettle black, right... or haven't you been paying attention?
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/c ... ted-states

I'm not an American. Maybe I can tell you this 10 more times and you'll start to understand.
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#15145476
Yes, ignore what I said and take things out of context. :roll: Pretty typical of Americans...

You might not claim to be an American, but you sure are educated like one... That is, poorly, and with some considerable bias against anything not "Western". Ethnocentrism, if you will.

Unthinking majority wrote:I'm not an American. Maybe I can tell you this 10 more times and you'll start to understand.
Then what the fuck are you? You sure talk, walk, and act like an American. I guess you must really WANT to be an American? Is that it?

I posted an article saying why the people were jailed, and so what I said was accurate. They were UK journalists. Should I not believe what they say? It's not my fault you failed to read the article, and went off on a rant.

You are so ANTI-China, that it's ridiculous. You can't recognize someone who simply is not anti-China as anything but pro-China. It's all black and white, to you. The insults only make you look foolish.
#15145477
Godstud wrote:Yes, ignore what I said and take things out of context. :roll: Pretty typical of Americans...

Thank you. I'm a proud American as I've said many times.

You might not claim to be an American, but you sure are educated like one... That is, poorly, and with some considerable bias against anything not "Western". Ethnocentrism, if you will.

I have a bias against crappy places and crappy people with crappy ideas and behaviours and governments I guess. Here's the official ranking on places to live, such a western bias it has: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ment_Index

Maybe I'll have to read the CBC and BBC more. Government propaganda and all. Then I can become a true sheep of the masses and fall in line with the CCP talking points.

Then what the fuck are you? You sure talk, walk, and act like an American. I guess you must really WANT to be an American? Is that it?

You sure WANT me to be an American.

You are so ANTI-China, that it's ridiculous.

Yes I am. I'm anti-Nazi too. When I see bad ideas I prefer to poo on them rather than defend them. My ancestors fought and died to protect you and I from these kinds of monsters. I'll send you a copy of 1984 and Brave New World and we can talk about it. We can talk about the Communist Manifesto too, it's only 23 pages. We'll also read a history book together, and discuss how not to repeat it.
#15145478
China's not Nazi, and neither is it fascist. It's hardly set in stone, as there's arguments both ways.

So what are you, if not American? Are you too ashamed to say it?

That you feel the need to insult me in your previous posts, because I don't agree with your opinion, makes me think that you aren't very confident in your argument. I've never before seen you resort to insults. Why is that?
#15145479
Godstud wrote:China's not Nazi, and neither is it fascist. It's hardly set in stone, as there's arguments both ways.

It is a garbage-town government though. I believe in a strong state for developing countries, but I don't believe in that one.

So what are you, if not American? Are you too ashamed to say it?

If I said it the CCP will come and kill me. I prefer to retain my privacy.

That you feel the need to insult me in your previous posts, because I don't agree with your opinion, makes me think that you aren't very confident in your argument. I've never before seen you resort to insults. Why is that?

You called me an American, which I find very insulting. 8)
#15145480
Unthinking Majority wrote:It is a garbage-town government though. I believe in a strong state for developing countries, but I don't believe in that one.
Where did I say it was a good government?

Unthinking Majority wrote:If I said it the CCP will come and kill me. I prefer to retain my privacy.
:roll: You're paranoid. Saying what country you are from doesn't take away your privacy. I hardly think that Chinese intelligence gives a rat's ass about what some keyboard warrior says on Pofo. :lol:

Unthinking Majority wrote:You called me an American, which I find very insulting.
I guess if you don't like being thought of as an American, it'd be good to tell people what you are and stop posting LIKE an American, if you consider being one an "insult"(which is silly).

Being overly emotional about the topic is still no excuse for insults.
#15145838
Godstud wrote:
I guess if you don't like being thought of as an American, it'd be good to tell people what you are and stop posting LIKE an American, if you consider being one an "insult"(which is silly).



Looks like he's some sort of troll.
#15146703
Godstud wrote:You're paranoid. Saying what country you are from doesn't take away your privacy. I hardly think that Chinese intelligence gives a rat's ass about what some keyboard warrior says on Pofo.


No worse than the paranoia of many PoFo'ers about the possibility of Trump actually being able to crack them down because of their anti-Trump speech here.

China might be after him (and me), but if they do, the size of people being persecuted or exterminated will well exceed the number of Uighurs, which requires immense effort and efficiency. Not impossible, mind you, given the sense of glory and patriotism among Mainland Chinese, as well as the "sympathy" they get elsewhere in the world (mainly anti-Western or anti-Imperialism people), but I don't think they bother now.

P.S. I actually believe China have to resort to mass extermination of dissident population in Hong Kong sooner or later, because they cannot outwit our smarter fellows. (I am among the stupidest so not a qualified indicator)
#15146707
:roll: @Patrickov Did you miss out that only ONE person(the original poster) thought that was possible or even realistic, and that person was probably deluded?

:lol:

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