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#15182071
5 people in Hong Kong were arrested and denied bail for publishing a children's book that allegedly has theme that promotes rebellion against the Chinese government.
It's a sign of Chinese authorities clamping down on dissent in Hong Kong.


Hong Kong police on Thursday arrested five trade union members and a court denied bail for four editors and journalists on charges of endangering national security, part of a widening crackdown on dissent in the city.

The five who were arrested are members of the General Association of Hong Kong Speech Therapists, according to local media reports.

The association published three children’s books that authorities apparently suspect are metaphors for the political crisis. The books feature stories that revolve around a village of sheep that has to deal with wolves from a different village. The sheep take action like going on strike or escaping by boat, according to the synopses published on the association’s website.

Police confirmed they arrested two men and three women from a trade union, but did not identify them or the union.

Police said that they are suspected of conspiring to publish, distribute, display or copy seditious publications with the intent to incite hatred, violence and other non-law-abiding acts towards the Hong Kong authorities and the judiciary by the public, in particular young children.

Police said that also froze 160,000 Hong Kong dollars ($20,600) in assets linked to the union.

Hong Kong police arrest 5 trade union members for sedition, Zen Soo, Associated Press, July 21, 2021
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ho ... d=msedgntp


The idea of "freedom of the press" doesn't really seem to exist in China.
#15182102
Rugoz wrote:Imagine the whole world would operate like China, it would be like 1984.


It would be very very bad. I still cannot understand how we have so many pofoers that defend the regime there. Fucking bonkers.

Interestingly enough, if the rest of the world behaved like China. They would lose the leverage they have. Imagine if the US/EU going full Nazi like China has. No restraint, genocides, environmental atrocities, removal of rights, exploitation via loans, police state. Absence of morals or ethics. It would be a true regression for global society. This is what people that support the CCP think is a great idea for the future.

FUcking morons.

Now, let's see some of these morons come into this threads with their countless "what abouts" as some sort of indefensible defense.
#15182499
Istanbuller wrote:Who said that the West is better than China in terms of human rights? EU court gives green light to headscarf bans. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. ;)


Firms banning headscarfs are decisions of private institutions that are not even government related. Government arresting 5 book authors for writing a book which content they don't like is government related. :eh:
#15182542
Hong Kong is a Chinese city. Why should I be offended when Chinese laws are enforced there?
#15182552
Istanbuller wrote:Who said that the West is better than China in terms of human rights? EU court gives green light to headscarf bans. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. ;)


I heard cashiers in Turkey have the God-given right to wear one of those:

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AFAIK wrote:Hong Kong is a Chinese city. Why should I be offended when Chinese laws are enforced there?


How dare we discuss policies of countries other than our own >:.
#15182555
Rugoz wrote:Imagine the whole world would operate like China, it would be like 1984.


Imagine if Hong Kong was a sovereign territory of the PRC. Oh wait.

Imagine engaging in brainwashing by promoting regime change with a children's book. On the contrary the world would be a better place if the western mantra of making everything about politics fucked right off. It seems the most offensive sociopolitical Chinese export abroad is "we don't care about regime change, we will engage in trade and business with you regardless."

The usual suspects can't have that. Too bad. Cope.
#15182574
The real problem is the persecution is based on a false accusation to induce fear. It's not factual at all. The usual China apologists like AFAIK and Igor Antunov seem to induce the idea that the accusation was accurate. To Hell with them.

This actually refute member Rawls' claim that China employs Informational Autocracy rather than Overt Dictatorship. China was, is, and intends to keep itself as OD as long as possible. They do similar acts back in Mainland, just that the people up there are either too full of fear or have actually degenerated themselves to join the eternally damned group.
#15182596
Patrickov wrote:The real problem is the persecution is based on a false accusation to induce fear. It's not factual at all. The usual China apologists like AFAIK and Igor Antunov seem to induce the idea that the accusation was accurate. To Hell with them.

This actually refute member Rawls' claim that China employs Informational Autocracy rather than Overt Dictatorship. China was, is, and intends to keep itself as OD as long as possible. They do similar acts back in Mainland, just that the people up there are either too full of fear or have actually degenerated themselves to join the eternally damned group.


We will have to agree to disagree on this. I mean I understand that you percieve it that way because China has no problem dipping in to Over Dictatorship methods in HK or the non-Chinese regions which are part of China right now. But overwhelmingly it is an Informational Autocracy in my opinion.
#15182603
JohnRawls wrote:We will have to agree to disagree on this. I mean I understand that you percieve it that way because China has no problem dipping in to Over Dictatorship methods in HK or the non-Chinese regions which are part of China right now. But overwhelmingly it is an Informational Autocracy in my opinion.


The fear comes from you will never know when you will accidentally get in whoever in power's way (sometimes it can be just a lowly minion). If that happens, you have little hope of being rescued from certain doom (not necessarily death, but the effective destruction of a decent life)
#15182604
Patrickov wrote:The fear comes from you will never know when you will accidentally get in whoever in power's way (sometimes it can be just a lowly minion). If that happens, you have little hope of being rescued from certain doom (not necessarily death, but the effective destruction of a decent life)


You have to have an audience or be a specialist to do so which means that you are part of the "elite" of sorts. The definition of elite is vague but mostly it is people with High or Doctoral education and so on.
#15182607
JohnRawls wrote:You have to have an audience or be a specialist to do so which means that you are part of the "elite" of sorts.


Not really. China has a petitioning system (since early Imperial era in fact, so with a history of some 2000 years or even longer) but those who dare to use it often face harassment or threat. I don't think the petition system users are elites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petitioning_(China)
#15182610
Patrickov wrote:Not really. China has a petitioning system (since early Imperial era in fact, so with a history of some 2000 years or even longer) but those who dare to use it often face harassment or threat. I don't think the petition system users are elites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petitioning_(China)


Yeah i have heard about it, but majority of the people don't use it because it lives in the realm of activists. Not sure how this works in China though. The average petition writer would be either an activist or a discouraged/wronged some regional individual usually, at least this is like this in the West.
#15182611
JohnRawls wrote:Yeah i have heard about it, but majority of the people don't use it because it lives in the realm of activists. Not sure how this works in China though.


My perception is that whoever cannot afford the petition effect and are not activists are actually repressed if not outright murdered (without anyone else knowing it)
#15182679
I just find it interesting that people who can't stand China being a one party authoritarian state have no problem with the 50 other one party authoritarian states around the world. I find it curious that China is criticised for constructing artificial islands in the SCS whilst Vietnam's island constructions are ignored and Britain's and USA's island theft is forgotten.
#15182682
AFAIK wrote:I just find it interesting that people who can't stand China being a one party authoritarian state have no problem with the 50 other one party authoritarian states around the world. I find it curious that China is criticised for constructing artificial islands in the SCS whilst Vietnam's island constructions are ignored and Britain's and USA's island theft is forgotten.


This.

I'll preface by saying its a dumb arrest by an insecure regime.

Meanwhile, Florida is registering the political opinions of its teachers and students, and banning thoughtcrime like CRT. It's hard to swallow the idea that this is an ideological clash of civilizations between good and evil that demands a new Cold War when there's little real difference between the oligarchic regime with a veneer of democracy and the oligarchic regime without it.

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