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By ingliz
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ComradeTim wrote:Huge increases in production efficiency (doubling in some areas)... were seen.

Growth in real GDP per capita in Spain (exponential fitting) (annual growth rates)*

1913 - 1929: 1.1%

1929 - 1935: -0.5%

1935 - 1940: -7.6%

1940 - 1954: 3.0%




*Consejo de Economia Nacional (1965)
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Was all business counted or just Anarchist collectives, which are what we are discussing? Does this take into account the deliberate resource starving, that capitalist central government and industry engaged in as a political weapon? Do you think what appears to be a capitalist study will tell the truth considering what the did to distort the figures during the war to discredit us?

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By ingliz
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Do you think what appears to be a capitalist study will tell the truth considering what the (sic) did to distort the figures during the war to discredit us?

You are joking... aren't you?

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By ingliz
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What's to debate? You are so busy wallowing in your ignorance, however sincere, you ignore the evidence.


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By ingliz
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Was all business counted or just Anarchist collectives, which are what we are discussing?

Does it matter if up to 70% of businesses were under worker control.

ComradeTim wrote:up to 70%

Does this take into account the deliberate resource starving, that capitalist central government and industry engaged in as a political weapon?

Does it matter if productivity doubled in the Anarcho-syndicalist Free Territory.

ComradeTim wrote:doubling

Do you think what appears to be a capitalist study will tell the truth considering what the did to distort the figures during the war to discredit us

Yes, why would they lie when Anarchism is politically and economically an irrelevance?
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ingliz wrote:Does it matter if up to 70% of businesses were under worker control.

ingliz wrote:Yes, why would they lie when Anarchism is politically and economically an irrelevance?


In Catalonia, less in Aragon and elsewhere. Those figures were for Spain as a whole.

If by irrelevance, the best and most successful workers revolution of all time. In comparison to the various Marxist abortions, now all thankfully dead or gasping their last, capitalists have good reason to bury our memory and lie about us. We have a record they must fear, rather than laugh at.
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By ingliz
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Those figures were for Spain as a whole.

In another thread you said:

ComradeTim wrote:Spain: Anarcho-syndicalist Free Terratory

Were you wrong? I can only assume so as, when challenged, you now argue it was not.

You also argued that the Anarcho-syndicalist Free Territory (Spain) was so well run, productivity doubled. When challenged, you now argue that it did not... but it wasn't the Anarchist's fault.


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I am a National Syndicalist. Syndicalism is an economic model - it leaves open plenty of room for the implementation of other ideas. Some Syndicalists may be Fascist, others may be far-left.

The major difference between most socialist syndicalists and myself is that I recognize the reality of human biological diversity and the inequalities that come from it. So while I believe very much in Syndicalism as an economic model, I also see the need for a clearly defined hierarchy - with the means of production spread out across the most productive members of society. I recognize the fundamental truth that some genetic vessels are inherently inferior, and as such, I feel that communism is the antithesis of biological progress. An ideology based in fluff and heart, kowtowing to inferior specimens, with no regard for objective truth and the cold reality of the natural world. Humans are merely specimens, therefore the nation should work as a laboratory with the clearly defined goal of biological amelioration and the purging of inferior genetic elements.

But at the same time I realize that in a Capitalist society, some specimens will never reach their full potential. For me, social justice is about leveling the playing field, giving the organisms all a fair shot to prove their mettle, and Syndicalism, merged with a heavy dose of far-right sanity, seems the best way to go about it.
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Stormvessel wrote:The major difference between most socialist syndicalists and myself is that I recognize the reality of human biological diversity and the inequalities that come from it. So while I believe very much in Syndicalism as an economic model, I also see the need for a clearly defined hierarchy - with the means of production spread out across the most productive members of society.


How might the "most productive members of society" be determined? Will this be by an IQ test, exam results, skills tests? Who will be carrying these tests out? The government? How will people suitable to stand judgement over the Nation be determined without having already carried out these tests? What will keep the meritocracy flowing once these übermensch have risen to the top?

What do you mean exactly by "inequalities stemming from biological diversity"? Do you mean racial discrimination? What will be done to the people who fail to reach your standards? Is extermination an option that you are considering?
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ComradeTim wrote:How might the "most productive members of society" be determined? Will this be by an IQ test, exam results, skills tests? Who will be carrying these tests out? The government? How will people suitable to stand judgement over the Nation be determined without having already carried out these tests? What will keep the meritocracy flowing once these übermensch have risen to the top?

What do you mean exactly by "inequalities stemming from biological diversity"? Do you mean racial discrimination? What will be done to the people who fail to reach your standards? Is extermination an option that you are considering?


You are trying to get me banned. I have already been warned once for mentioning liquidation, so I am not so stupid as to mention it again. The goal of a loving and responsible State should never be to murder off it's own citizens. The goal is to purge inferior genetic elements, and to do so as humanely as circumstances will allow. Objective truth is plain to see - we do not need people in high places to determine what is truth. The inability to recognize truth is a fundamental weakness, therefore by purging such elements from among the masses, such problems will ultimately fix themselves, unifying the classes and setting the stage for limitless State expansion and the dictatorship of superior specimens.
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I was unaware of what got you your yellow card. Could you answer the rest of my questions and give me some examples of how the State would "purge inferior genetic elements" without use of liquidation?
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ComradeTim wrote:I was unaware of what got you your yellow card. Could you answer the rest of my questions and give me some examples of how the State would "purge inferior genetic elements" without use of liquidation?


Positive and negative eugenics. These are not new ideas. Rather than ask a johnny come lately such as myself, there exists a century of material available for you to read. If you still have questions, then go to eugenics.net and look around - there are advocates there that have PHDs that can do your questions far more justice than I ever could.

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