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Anyone who believes a global ideology can result in anything other than authoritarianism is simply ignoring all human history for a fantasy. There is no logical basis for believing humans even desire such a thing except in science fiction. Solving the conflict of diversity through uniformity is to replace individuality with unthinking clones. You may get peace, but eliminated the means of appreciating anything. You can’t enjoy sameness.
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SolarCross wrote:If everyone locks their front door how can private property be abolished?

@Thomasmariel

Simple. You get Gwyneth Paltrow to play a game of blindfold chess against the El Niño phenomenon, while the Queen of England attends the MTV Music Awards.

:)
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Does @SolarCross have kids? I know he is what an agnostic or an atheist? Is he childless as well? I did not know that.

I love how he writes though. I think he needs to not get so upset with communism and be friends. Sing kumbaya with @Potemkin a very handsome man with fine manners....and let bygones be bygones.

He needs to dance well for a bit of entertainment. Take some cha-cha-cha lessons.
#14974874
There is a difference between private property, and personal property. Private properties are enterprises that are privately owned that are for profit, or enforce the family. Examples of this is working in a warehouse that is owned by your family, if your family enforces family values such as arranged marriages, or accepting disrespect from elders because "talking back is disrespectful." Refusing to accept these values allows them to kick you out, not having access to basic necessities such as food to survive. Another example of private property is a beach that charges people to go on it and have fun. Most people know what private property is in economic terms.

Personal property, which is different than private property, is what people personally use for themselves. Clothing, food that one eats or stores, beverages, one's car that they use, or their home (because you don't want random people being in and out of your home, that's NOT what socialism is) are some examples of personal property. Sharing a tooth brush is NOT an example of socialism. Because a tooth brush is personal property, but how the tooth brush is made is determined by private (companies, such as family owned ones or corporations making the tooth brushes) or public (publicly owned enterprises or industries that are controlled by or for the masses and not for an elite or profit because both don't exist in socialism) property.
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On a related, but different, topic, would the people of a post-capitalist society *use* locks on their personal property?

(Everyone could get most of what they wanted from general social production, so even 'storing' anything might be strange in that context, since everything would then be disposable and easily-gettable, like at dollar stores today.)

Here's from my labor credits FAQ:



This dynamic of extent of 'personal possessions' can be summed-up as 'the padlock question' -- would people commonly use *padlocks* in a future communist society, or wouldn't they -- ? If there's no mass agreement for a *guideline* for it, people might wind up just putting padlocks on whatever 'personal property' they claim as 'theirs', without regard to 'personal absenteeism' -- maybe they'd return to enjoy those items at some later time, or maybe they wouldn't.

One possible standard, from my model, is this one:


consumption [demand] -- Individuals may possess and consume as much material as they want, with the proviso that the material is being actively used in a personal capacity only -- after a certain period of disuse all personal possessions not in active use will revert to collectivized communist property

http://www.revleft.com/vb/blog.php?b=1174


This obviously depends on a mass-agreed 'time duration' standard for each and every personal possession claimed by anyone / everyone, but I admittedly have no idea *how* it could conceivably be implemented as such on a consistent basis without any apparent social means of *enforcement*, since a communistic society has no standing *state* for such matters.

Another formulation I've devised in the past is one of simply having to *watch* your stuff -- if you're not actively around something that you can claim as yours in realtime, then it's *not* yours and anyone else has full leeway to simply take it for *themselves* since you're unable to guard it. Of course this is rather lacking, too, since someone *should* reasonably be able to leave their personal possessions for some limited length of time, as for nightlife or travel, and still be able to retrieve them as their own when they return.



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