[Rei Murasame]

I don't think that there will be enough people to form this club yet, but I'm just putting it here as a placeholder so that people can come in as they see fit and maybe it will become a member club someday.

PFTP is aimed to be the biggest possible tent to include everyone in the third position.

This means that it accepts:

• Right-Socialists and Fascists
• Left-Nationalists (combinations of nationalism with Marxist-Leninist thought)
• Integralists
• Distributists
• Indigenous forms of socialism

And it does not accept:

• Liberal-capitalists
• Clerical-reactionaries
• Agrarian Primitivists
• Agorists
• Anarchists

Pretty simple delineation, I think. Let's see what happens.

EDIT: Reversed the de jure exclusion of Zionists in order to prevent further bickering.

[Frylock]

According to that list a Stalanist would be welcome in the fascist club.

[Rei Murasame]

I didn't specifically exclude them simply because I know that that specific type won't even try to join it anyway, because they don't consider themselves to be nationalists at all. They'd already be over in SN-RF.

[Far-Right Sage]

I adore the concept behind this one, but what would a member list look like? It seems these days there may actually be a dwindling of participation from those inclined toward this one, which I suppose the fast pace of world events may change soon enough. Some of the new contributors at times appear not to have a very defined worldview (or rather, they have one in some form, but are unaware of it).

[Rei Murasame]

Oh, I have no idea what the list would look like. A lot of the people who would have joined this are unfortunately no longer frequent posters. So at the moment it looks like it's only you and me, which is not enough to make it a club.

But as you said, given some time, that might change.

[Frylock]

I didn't specifically exclude them simply because I know that that specific type won't even try to join it anyway, because they don't consider themselves to be nationalists at all. They'd already be over in SN-RF.

So you are purposefully being vague inorder to undr cut the opposition? How ingeniously manipulative of you.You might actually make for a good fascist (lies and half truths being needed for such groups and what not.

[Rei Murasame]

It doesn't undercut them if they're not going to join it anyway. 'Left-nationalist' means a whole lot of people that are not Stalinists. I know well enough that the Stalinists are not coming here.

There is no deception here, 'popular front' actually means popular front.

[Eauz]

I'm not sure why there is a need to have two different groups. The liberals and fascists have always gone hand-in-hand. Liberals are just less extreme fascists.

[Rei Murasame]

Oh please.

[Fasces]

PFTP is aimed to be the biggest possible tent to include everyone in the third position.

No:
Zionists

Oh please, indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Maximalism

[Rei Murasame]

Didn't that trend basically end, though? I can't imagine that any Revisionist Maximalists are going to come trying to get into PFTP, but if one should ever appear, then someone can look into adjusting the rules if they really think it should happen.

Let's not overcomplicate this.

[mikema63]

I shouldn't be surprised to see an influx of new members for your club given the ongoing events in Europe.

We'll try and line up a spy to get in once your going.

[Fasces]

Didn't that trend basically end, though? I can't imagine that any Revisionist Maximalists are going to come trying to get into PFTP, but if one should ever appear, then someone can look into adjusting the rules if they really think it should happen.

Let's not overcomplicate this.

So? Zionism is, essentially, Jewish nationalism, a fascist Israeli would be, by definition, Zionist.

If this is intended to be a big-tent organization, the issue of Zionism has no place whatsoever in determining eligibility. Liberal Zionists should, of course, be rejected - though not because they're Zionists but because they are liberal.

I see no reason to exclude Zionists, from the perspective of ideology. There is nothing inherently anti-Zionist about the Third Position.

Unless you believe the Jewish people, unlike literally every other tribe on this Earth, are alone in not deserving national sovereignty?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Zionists

This, furthermore, would absolutely fit your definition for 'indigenous socialist movement', and remains a powerful force in Israeli politics today.

What is it about the Jewish people in particular that you do not like? I can think of no reasonable explanation to deny them membership.

[Rei Murasame]

This is taking up too many posts and I don't want this to turn into some kind of martyrdom session for Zionists. So, I've reversed the exclusion of Zionists. If they think that they should join a group like this, they are absolutely free to post in this thread and say that they would like to join.

There. Can we now move on?

[Fasces]

[Rei Murasame]

But you know they'll never come here, right? It's just historically impossible.

[Eauz]

Left-Nationalists (combinations of nationalism with Marxist-Leninist thought)

Why specifically Marxist-Leninist? Why can't Left-Nationalists with Marxist-Leninist-Maoist thought join?

A positive point is that you don't exclude communists from your list.

[Fasces]

I'm a Zionist.

So was Adolf Hitler, in his own way.

Zionism here meaning that Jews should have their own nation, separate from others, to preserve their own way of life and culture, and that they should live in their nation rather than be assimilated into other nations.

[Rainbow Crow]

Can Republicans join? I'm a capitalist but I'm not liberal

[Eauz]

So, if Britain had allowed Germany to win the battle, the Jews wouldn't have been exterminated in mass.

The Plan was postponed after the Germans failed to defeat the British in the Battle of Britain later in 1940 and was permanently shelved in 1942 with the commencement of the extermination of European Jewry.