Ombrageux wrote:My God PoD, why do you even bother writing such obvious falsehoods about what others write? Is it because of extreme bad faith or because you simply don't understand?
The logical inconsistency of everyone returning to their homeland except whites is obviously based on race and not some sort of practicality.If some White Nationalists are secessionists that means they are happy to let Latinos or Blacks run chunks of the United States, perhaps California and the other Reconquista states or indeed a part of Southern states for New Africa, and thus not sending these people back to Latin America proper or Africa.
I see where your misunderstanding is.
I should have said that white nationalists should all go back to Europe and leave all of the Americas to the indigenous people if they wanted to be logically consistent.
Their willingness to let other people have some of the Americas is based on the incorrect notion that it is their land, which it is not, according to the logic of nationalism.
You can blame Europeans all you like for others' failures but that will not improve their condition. Self-improvement comes from looking seriously into one's own flaws and not systematically blaming others.
You are correct. I can only show Europeans their own history. I cannot make them think about it or change their ways because of it.
These things said, there doesn't seem to be a single statement of value in your post, a rather sorry sight even by the poor standards of our exchanges.
Well, I hope I have swept away your confusion.
Replying to Ombra's edit:
Ombrageux wrote:* To be precise, I believe genetic proximity is only desirable to the extent that it enables a common ethnic identification for +85% of the population, I do not believe race should be fetishized as such.
I think that the problems associated with ensuring such a level of ethnic purity would far outweigh any benefits.
I would qualify 1) with the remark that Latin America and black American communities are, on average, astonishingly violent given their relatively low level of organization and lack of access to weapons of mass destruction.
I don't care about your racist opinion. Like always, you will simply state it as if it were fact, not support it with evidence, ignore it when this is pointed out to you, and then complain that I write "obvious falsehoods".
If you want to make the claim that most indigenous people are actually morally bankrupt douchebags, please provide evidence for that claim.
I believe 2) is partly accurate: they don't do it because they can't (in some cases non-Whites succeed however: Whites have been ethnically cleansed in Algeria and Rhodesia, leaving the locals to mismanage their own affairs and ruin the economy).
Yes, in a few cases, blacks and others have aped European behaviour and ethnically cleansed whites out of their former colonies.
However, I was discussing the Americas, not Algeria or Rhodesia. The only ethnic cleansing of whites in the Americas would be the killing of Europeans in Haiti right after the slave revolt. Maybe we should not have kept slaves.
Ombrageux wrote:But I also believe some don't do it because they know they're better off enjoying a Western civilization they would lose if Whites were ethnically cleansed (for example, the Blacks and Mulattoes in Martinique and Guadeloupe have been very eager to remain part of France for various pecuniary reasons, such as immigration possibilities, but also because they're so close to the horrors of Haiti under self-rule after the Haitians genocided European-Haitians).
We are discussing indigenous peoples of the Americas.
Indigenous people of the Americas are probably not better off enjoying Western civilisation. I do not expect you to know that. Nor am I surprised to see that you are stating it as a fact. The reason I am not surprised is because most Europeans (and Americans of European descent) are ignorant of the history of indigenous America, and thus are unaware that the forcible assimilation of indigenous peoples into Western "civilisation" has been one of the most detrimental things that has ever happened to indigenous peoples.