Rich wrote:Private property and national property are not moral they are practical.
Private property in the fruits of one's labor is moral because it does not deprive anyone of anything they would otherwise have, but taking it from its producer -- violating that right -- would deprive him of something he would otherwise have.
How could an individual or any subset of human beings ever become the moral owner of scarce natural resources? I agree with the left that western settlers had no right to own the lands they conquered. Where I disagree is that I don't consider the so called indigenous peoples had any right to won the lands either. Native people constantly fought each other and protected their lands against racial outsiders with ferocious terror.
Right. There is no rightful ownership of land any more than of slaves.
Note in principle an individual would be entitled to own property that they had created without the use of scarce natural resources, just by their own labour, but in reality everything we create and have created is dependant on the possession and consumption of scare natural resources.
No, a lot of natural resources are not scarce. Our ancestors survived for millions of years by using abundant natural resources whose extraction violated no one's rights.
If I have no right to own land, then I have no right own the Wheat that was grown on it.
Not so. You can own a fish you pull from the ocean without owning the ocean.
If I have no right to consume scare easily accessible Iron resources, then I have no right to own the tool I made from that Iron.
Not quite. You have a right to use resources that no one else wants to use, and to own the fruits of your labor thereon, as our ancestors did for millions of years. You can also gain a right to use resources that others want to use -- like land -- by making just compensation to the community of those whom you deprive of them.
Land and Capital are fungible.
Its quite funny when you look at what lefties are actually saying: "Blut und Boden." The modern left are pure Nazis! Its just that their Nazi hate is directed against Whites, Infidels and Gentiles.
IMO it is directed against anyone of merit, in proportion to their merit.
Non absolute Private property combined with wealth transfers, public spending and regulations can produce a system that it is in the interests of the overwhelming majority to buy into. One can accept the system without having to believe in its fairness.
What's wrong with pursuing fairness (justice), knowing that it is in the interest of all but those who seek to inflict injustice on others?