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dear comrades!

I've released the Punk/Droogie manifesto (search for djedefsauron to find it)

Among its salient proposals/features to bring about a better world (a world dominated by a truly objective logic, which is easy in this new, information age, which only for that reason is unique):

a) Respect for nature and all specimens of mankind, whatever their brain type
b) Public funding similar to FDR's New Deal (Central banks print cash to fund the salaries of PEOPLE engaged in humanitarian projects e.g.: Markanarg (search for it))
c) Abolition of systemic absurdities such as:
nationalism (the USSR failed when it became non-internationalist after Stalin's death/rise of Khruschev)
marriage (http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 65195ccbdc)

d) A smart use of cyber resources and other means to ensure the success of
e) A bloodless, global "coup de logic", using a few Gandhi-like tactics (noncooperation with recidivistic nationalists etc., by progressive citizens isolating themselves into enclaves), though i'm not a Gandhian per se
f) Final transition into a Gesellian + socialist economy, abolition of usury etc. as soon as possible
g) Prioritizing development of nonlinear thinking skills in humans
h) Apes addicted to Nicotine do all menial tasks in exchange for Nicotine rationing
i) People will be guaranteed, by the administration system of the future, complete financial independence with as little as 3 work hours a day, and Wednesdays and weekends off

[*]this is easy if each gets as much as he gives (but of course, our meta-socialist system will give – a lot – even to those who cannot give back anything). It is possible given a sea change in central bank policy; a new policy of public-funded economy should partly replace the old policy i.e. network of (inter) nationalist, selectively bailoutist central banks.
That old policy, based as usual on the Analytic School’s pseudoscientific syllogisms, “enriched” (at least materially) one section of the world (USA etc.), while depleting the wealth of another section of the world (the “Third world”) – and that is merely one among the many evils it birthed. The idea that modern 9 to 5 drudgery is "required", is wrong – it is only an illusion created by capitalism – because most of what men do today, is either outright illogical or simply useless e.g.: finance programmers who make “optimal financial models” which don’t add any value to the economy; or see tender bidding, where 20 companies laboriously prepare similar tenders, of which only one proves useful. Farmers deweed, irrigate, and plough, which are all, as Fukuoka shows, useless. Fools assume that we’re happy wasting our lives “competing” in their beloved rat race of capitalism, memorizing and performing ever-greater quantity of silly misdeeds; the sophists and their illogical Karma propaganda (“donkeywork is good, Sisyphus”)!

j) Over and above all this, giving each type of man what he needs; even psychopaths!

[*]Some ask for violence for their satisfaction; we can channelize their desires into “Ultra-violence”. Extremists, who don't like playing Assault Squad 2, won’t be given the opportunity to wage real war; but, being the guardians of mankind after all, they will get a chance to prove their mettle – in not fictional or set-up contests – but with real guns, for fame, in a voluntary game for the jumpiest, richest, or most “psychopathic” of the rich . Those overly inclined to fight must refrain from thoughts of random murder and torture; the true champions may fight each other in a 100,000 (say) sq. km. area demarcated to find out the true braves of mankind; for who else will guard humankind against any hostile aliens that may any time arrive? For the benefit of any thinkers among them, of course some of these games will be fake and harmless; and for others like us, MOWAS2 will suffice; but not all may be happy with that. Any war mongers, gun runners, tough soldiers, or overly fight clubbish civilians who may choose “violent enjoyment”, can enter the field, or buy command of actual tanks and soldiers; be given fake wars to “play” on (but these will have, of course, decisive outcomes, as in all competitive games); bringers of death should do it only to their own likes – if they insist. It’s fair game; there’s no honour in shooting dead pacifists.
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anarchist23 wrote:What do you mean?


sorry i meant "people who like to really fight and compete as in the movie Fight Club" when i say "Fight Clubbish civilians"


Dagoth Ur wrote:You still haven't explained how one would achieve objectivity?

Also is this droogie thing a Clockwork Orange reference?


It is, but A.C.O. was propaganda, so if you try extrapolating the meaning of my "punk/droogie manifesto" by what you saw there, that won't work :P

This is why i say, read the manifesto!

Objective logic is pretty straightforward. It is a mix of

    a) the truth
    b) what should be as per the Taoist extrapolation (i.e., as per the laws of entropy as applied to human civilization)



I'd actually answered ur question before about how nonlinear thinking can help extrapolate a relatively* objective thought, i had written it, thread got deleted

    * for nonlinear thinkers, this "relatively" tends to "absolutely" as time goes on


if you want me to answer it again, i'd just say that i'm lazy and point you to my thesis, specifically chapter 7
http://www.djedefsauron.net/index.php?o ... Itemid=146


people like me are more nonlinear, and thus, though i can't help if one decides not to read my manifesto -- truth is -- whatever i've written in there is relatively close to the objective ... a logical backbone for the revolution
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So, back to the actual topic -- our current plethora of information and knowledge (think Wikipedia here, for example), and our prowess with communications technologies (the Internet), means that more *mass-participation* is logistically enabled today than just even a few years ago.

Whereas in the past some kind of political *representation* (politicians, union stewards, etc.), or *abstraction*, was empirically necessary, that's no longer the case today because we can envision *anyone* being on a 'level playing field' when it comes to matters of political information and personal inputs, for mass-aggregation -- a truly realized granular 'bottom-up' process instead of anything 'top-down', or even a mixture of the two.

Information technologies also enable logistically-necessary *centralization*, to varying geographic scales, per item or service, while still keeping the basic bottom-up process of mass-selection intact. If there happened to be a prevailing mass demand for *housing*, for example, that kind of information could not only be organically *sourced* from each and every person on the planet, but could also be *available* in collated form, with maps and graphs and such, to each and every person on the planet as well, in the interests of veracity, transparency, and confirmation.

I developed a model framework that handles this consumption-side of the material-economic issue rather well:



Labor credits are *not* money / currency, because no items are ever *commodified*. Labor credits are not exchangeable for any goods / resources / materials, because that would be equivalent to the *commodification* of those items. Communism is supposed to be about fulfilling unmet human needs (and wants), so what counts from the consumer is *how badly* they want something to be produced, by active liberated laborers, if not already immediately available. Under capitalism this takes the form of *increasing* exchange-values -- a material incentive -- by funneling demand-by-money, as into auctions and bidding wars, which has *nothing* to do with the serving of outstanding human needs.

Labor credits, differently from currency and commodification, measure *how badly* consumers need / want something (some form of socially necessary production), by *standardizing* everyone's demands to a person-by-person 'daily demands list' according to relative *priority*, through intentional rankings (#1, #2, #3, etc.). This means that exchange values / money is no longer necessary for the function of measuring relative demand.

Here's from the model:


consumption [demand] -- Every person in a locality has a standard, one-through-infinity ranking system of political demands available to them, updated daily

consumption [demand] -- Basic human needs will be assigned a higher political priority by individuals and will emerge as mass demands at the cumulative scale -- desires will benefit from political organizing efforts and coordination

https://tinyurl.com/labor-credits-faq

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With *all* social demand quantified on such a *gradient*, it becomes clear to liberated-workers what is being *most* demanded on-the-whole (top-ten, etc.), giving the necessary information to them to respond appropriately in where they should put their labor-efforts. (All individual-demands-list formal-items, like 'proposals' and 'policy packages', are aggregated by rank position (#1, #2, #3, etc.) and *tallied*, to show a finely-resolved differentiation of quantified support for each given topic, proposal, or policy. (And only formalized, finalized 'policy packages' are candidates for implementation by available-and-willing liberated labor.)

The labor credits help-out in this regard by showing discrete, relative levels of support from the liberated laborers *themselves*, since labor credits in-hand indicate a person's past work done, giving them the fractional authority to select *specific* available-and-willing liberated-workers for new labor efforts, for policy-package-designated work roles, and for the detailed scheduling of those work roles, going-forward. Yet the labor credits are *still* not money, because the market of exchange values is no longer required for the material-economic function of discerning (organic) demand, whether large or small.

(You may want to search on the page for the '-> Why should anyone give a shit about labor credits?' section and just read that.)



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