- 06 Jul 2008 21:48
#1580135
"That Kasu's arguments are at once so esoteric and so ruthless in their internal coherence makes me hesitant to take them on at all." - Ombrageux
Well, I came here, and I'm just ecstatic that everything I have been thinking of for the last couple of months has already been thought of. I watched videos of possible alien civilizations, read up on communism and socialism, etc.
I thought to myself, "why are people always afraid of automation in factories?"
Well of course, it's because when you have capitalists investing in profit, they end up replacing workers with robots, get wealthier, and the now unemployed workers are back in the slums.
When you get right down to it. the only thing that's preventing technology from advancing like it should be, is capitalism. The capitalist class has their investments in production. But if they all replace their workers with robots, they have no more consumers. You have the robots producing faster and more efficiently than ever, but no one to buy the products. That is exactly what Marx saw, in the 1800s. Overproduction is the essential flaw in capitalism, and because of it, capitalism will eventually progress into barbarism.
I guess, that I've always been a technocrat, I just never knew that these ideas were actually... real.
But. I think that as long as private property exists, technocracy will never be achieved. The capitalist class will never agree to fully automating everything, because if the price system is abolished, suddenly, they too will lose their power. Everyone will have the same standard of living. Class divisions will disappear. The capitalist class definitely doesn't want that.
Technocracy will make true communism very possible. It will essentially be communism, in my opinion. With the price system abolished, the state abolished, and class divisions abolished, it really can't get any closer to communism. Free access to everything, drastically reduced labour hours, etc. Communal managing, and society as a whole seeing to that it's own problems are addressed and dealt with, not a central government, and not private investors.
And the only way to achieve that, is through revolution. The main problem, capitalism, has to be dealt with before a true technocracy can be achieved. Even though, I just learned what technocracy was, not more than 30 minutes ago.
What do you think?
I thought to myself, "why are people always afraid of automation in factories?"
Well of course, it's because when you have capitalists investing in profit, they end up replacing workers with robots, get wealthier, and the now unemployed workers are back in the slums.
When you get right down to it. the only thing that's preventing technology from advancing like it should be, is capitalism. The capitalist class has their investments in production. But if they all replace their workers with robots, they have no more consumers. You have the robots producing faster and more efficiently than ever, but no one to buy the products. That is exactly what Marx saw, in the 1800s. Overproduction is the essential flaw in capitalism, and because of it, capitalism will eventually progress into barbarism.
I guess, that I've always been a technocrat, I just never knew that these ideas were actually... real.
But. I think that as long as private property exists, technocracy will never be achieved. The capitalist class will never agree to fully automating everything, because if the price system is abolished, suddenly, they too will lose their power. Everyone will have the same standard of living. Class divisions will disappear. The capitalist class definitely doesn't want that.
Technocracy will make true communism very possible. It will essentially be communism, in my opinion. With the price system abolished, the state abolished, and class divisions abolished, it really can't get any closer to communism. Free access to everything, drastically reduced labour hours, etc. Communal managing, and society as a whole seeing to that it's own problems are addressed and dealt with, not a central government, and not private investors.
And the only way to achieve that, is through revolution. The main problem, capitalism, has to be dealt with before a true technocracy can be achieved. Even though, I just learned what technocracy was, not more than 30 minutes ago.
What do you think?
"That Kasu's arguments are at once so esoteric and so ruthless in their internal coherence makes me hesitant to take them on at all." - Ombrageux