Missus V. Spolia wrote:Everyone knows what I mean by the "token black guy" in movies, and the same applies to sports but in a different way, its a stereotype.
Is that like "the painted man" in Kevin Kostner's
Robin Hood?
I always thought that was a little odd.
Missus V. Spolia wrote:I think that groups that represent the country should look like the country, thats just my belief based on common-sense.
What about families? This was a popular television show in the 1980s in the United States.
Do you find anything peculiar about a white man with a very strange tie having a white daughter, two black sons and no mother?
Missus V. Spolia wrote:Its odd when the french team is not french at all and I doubt i'm the only one who ever thought that or that thinking that automatically means I'm racist.
It is strange from the standpoint that France has a number of minorities, but can't seem to put a winning team together with them. I wonder if the French welfare system makes them noncompetitive at sport?
Missus V. Spolia wrote:I would say the same thing about the Nigerian team. I'm sure if every player on the Nigerian team were white, people would find that odd too and you would probably call it racist.
Maybe we should have an international chess competition and see how that works out.
anasawad wrote:France didn't have chattel slavery.
Slavery began fading out of western Europe around the middle ages before the peak or even large scale expansion of colonial empires.
I'm sure the Haitians will feel relieved to know that the
Code Noir was just fake news. CNN probably just made the whole thing up.
SolarCross wrote:You have heard of the French Foreign Legion? Well this is the sporting equivalent.
A good point, but the "Foreign" part of "Foreign Legion" kind of distinguishes them.
anasawad wrote:Colonial empires did use slavery, though not significantly on their own soil, unlike the US.
The US was part of a colonial empire, in case you've never heard of the British Empire.
Oxymandias wrote:Slavery was uncommon in France proper but was often used in its colonies.
You tell 'em! Serfdom and indentured servitude are totally different things. There's no similarity at all.
Missus V. Spolia wrote:I don't see whats so controversial about this, its literally right before our eyes on the television. Its unavoidable.
It could be that they are trying to sell an ideology that ignores history.
SolarCross wrote:The US was a colony itself though, one that went its own way but a colony none the less.
Actually, it was 13 different colonies.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Please provide evidence that black slaves of French people were selectively bred to be better athletes.
They were "seasoned" to endure hardship, among other things.
Black History: Inside the Seasoning Camps Naturally, those that didn't survive the seasoning didn't continue to breed, because you can't breed when you are dead. At least I think that's right. It's been awhile since I took biology.
SolarCross wrote:I don't know about active selective breeding as farmers have been doing for livestock since the dawn of history but the life of a slave was apparently a particularly punishing one, especially on the ships during the crossing of the Atlantic. That would have been a selection pressure for general hardiness in itself.
That is true, but today's ideologue will deny that this is "selective."
Missus V. Spolia wrote:No it doesn't, because the slave owners purchased the strong males and the curvy females (showing higher estrogen levels) at the market, so letting them freely breed once on the farm was no different than selective breeding, as the selection was made at market for preferred traits. Likewise, slave merchants, knowing this demand for healthy slaves would have then pursued better quality stock in Africa knowing market demand.
I think the denial stems from the fact that they weren't sitting around in a drawing room in London smoking their pipes and stroking their beards and saying to themselves, "Well, if we breed the strong young bucks with the fecund young negros women, we'll get more strong young bucks." That is to say, it didn't approximate the scientific rigor of 20th Century scientists. So therefore, it could not have possibly happened.
Pants-of-dog wrote:You claimed that Fench slaves were bred and this makes them better athletes.
And you created a strawman claim that suggested that the slaves of the French were selectively bred so that in the 21st Century they would be better athletes. Generally, slave holders were concerned with productivity and the longevity of slaves in hardship conditions. That is why white slavery was a non-starter, because whites just died under the same conditions.
Pants-of-dog wrote:It is also common sense to think that the Earth is flat, but no one with any intelligence actually thinks so.
Intelligence? Or education?
noemon wrote:And he is correct to assert that or to try and push you towards a direction in which you will have to acknowledge that, your assumption that this level of natural selection process would not have occurred in Africa is misplaced and if you want to talk common sense then clearly you are wrong because if you did watch football you would notice that the majority of Black players playing in Europe have actually been born in Africa.
In spite of the run-on sentence, that's actually a good argument. Maybe you can help Pants-of-dog up his game a bit.
Rancid wrote:China is too nationalistic for this to ever happen. I wouldn't put it past China to selectively breed ethnic Chinese for sports though.
Remember the Soviet Union days when the Russian women had facial hair from so much testosterone? The big square jaws, etc.
Communism. WTF?
Red_Army wrote:It is also interesting how super racist SEC football fans can put aside their racism to rabbidly support their 90% non-white teams playing for colleges they've never set foot in
That's America for you. They are student athletes, dontcha know?
Victoribus Spolia wrote:But that was part of my wife's point too, it sometimes feels like blacks are being used for our entertainment. Indeed, professional sports is the only opportunity some inner-city kids have right now to actually make it big. Something seems off about all that, like society is putting them into a cliche role just for our entertainment. That does seem kinda racist....
That's the way those big city Democratic Party machines roll.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:This is besides the whole head-injury bullshit, which to me just means we have become so weak that we can't even have full-contact sports anymore (I mean, if you don't want to get your head banged around, don't become an NFL player, its that simple).
Right, and it's not like the objective of a boxing match isn't to knock somebody unconscious... These aren't the people who are likely to come up with the cure for cancer or anything...
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