Unthinking Majority wrote:I'm glad you care. I think most people care. If you do care, and if anyone else here cares, then go with the data. Data never lies. The data points to Scandinavia and similar. Everything else is just bullshit in a book or on a message board. As I've said, good intentions aren't good enough. Results matter
The problem in a country like the USA is that most care, but most are also stupid, and stupid people don't go with the data because they're dumb. Theories not driven by data/evidence is just crappy social science, and crappy social science often leads to bad policies. Science works. They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, so most Americans aren't just dumb they're insane lol. The rich aren't dumb, they know what makes them money.
Economists can't predict the future and can't create something as complex as an economic system with millions of actors and millions of variables. Marx/Lenin and Milton Freidman knew a lot less than they thought they knew, had theories not backed by proper data, & used entire countries as their social experiments that often failed. Oops! Everyone wants to change the world, but progress is usually made through a series of steps building on top of another, not grand experiments made of trial and error.
So in other words, yours or anyone's good intentions are meaningless. All that matters is what you're trying to achieve and what has shown to work to achieve it.
No, Unthinking, you have to see humanity through a very long historical lense. My individual efforts or intentions (as you call it?) have no meaning at all if I am alone and acting alone or thinking alone, or noticing what is wrong.
But I am not. The whole purpose of this thread or topic was "Why Are So Many Young People Becoming Socialists?"
Because socialism is growing Unthinking after long decades of being panned and discarded by a Capitalist and liberal in politics paradigm. WHY? Why the resurrection from the grave by the youth of all groups?
That is what I wanted to explore.
I am going to put in a video of what young socialists are saying:
They want to be better organizers. Why? The current system is not serving their needs. It is that simple Unthinking.
I happen to think people do wind up questioning why something doesn't work. I have always been highly into functional models. If it doesn't happen then why? Find out. Make the modifications.
I care. It is very important to care Unthinking. Why care? If you don't care about something or an issue how motivated will you be if you are not caring and not motivated to put energy and time in the problem to change it? Caring is required to get involved.
If one doesn't care? There is no motivation for the required effort to get involved in solutions. None.
I don't care about selling some products I would never buy. What are those? A lot of things. I don't get motivated to sell laundry detergent and talk about stain removal advantages all day and call people up hours upon hours to discuss the properties of lifting that chocolate or blood stain off of cotton material? Would you? Probably you would hate that job because you don't care.
Issues are very similar. Some people care about animal rights, or human rights or economic justice, or age discrimination, or drug law reform, or prison reform or maternity leave, or anti-child abuse, or police unions and shot and dead cops needing support, veterans issues, etc. What makes their movements effective and strong and binds the momentum of the activist group together are members of that group WHO CARE.
So no. Caring is not meaningless and trivial like you painted it. it is meaningful and essential. But individuals like I the individual person is not really important.
PoFo and @noemon is a good example. He is an individual who invested time and money into this place. He makes sure people here who use this platform don't denigrate or demean it. But, he does need to have many people who are diverse in points of view writing and discussing topics to get this place to work and be relevant. That means he has to care
about what happens here and how his forum is run. If he doesn't care? What might happen to it?
It becomes neglected and defunct eventually. Caring is life or death for all of us.
You are just taught @Unthinking Majority that one gets to a better society by objective means only and by the truth of data. But data is useful to measure results of a system that is a living organism. Societies are living organisms because they have living people in them who CARE and feel and think and act and work as one or in disunity and fighting. The results of what those steps and evolutions come out to be manifested as the defects or the small victories and small defeats of human society? Is all about el corazon
--the ability to love and care about a human condition.
I hope you care about something that means a lot to you someday @Unthinking Majority and you act on it. And don't wait for some old lady like me to motivate you or for your cynical views to keep you from caring and trying to make a change.
That is all I meant to say in this thread. I am glad I got the chance.