[Ter]

You are confusing human rights with general rights Ter. There is a difference.

If so, please elaborate.

[Patrickov]

The fact that some poor bastard from some uncivilized shithole can come and demand rights is outrageous

The outrageous part is that many of these people do not understand that when they are in another society they need to adjust themselves wherever applicable, or at least it should be done in a way that's accepted by both themselves and their hosts.

[JohnRawls]

If so, please elaborate.

A portion of our most fundamental rights is called human rights. There are also general rights and obligations which are not human rights but rights that are created by specific state, institution, organisation etc and claiming that all of them are "Human rights" is insanity.

Long story short. These are human rights: https://www.un.org/en/universal-declara ... an-rights/

Anything else besides that is debatable and since its debatable they are not human rights.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Human rights are rightfully ignored by many countries.
No torture? terrorist deserve torture and execution they should get no rights

[colliric]

Dang.

One of the funniest Tweet videos i've watched so far this year.

"Gimme 10 bucks now before midnight, no questions asked!".

[jimjam]

Trump is unstable and desperate. That is a very dangerous combination.

[Tainari88]

https://twitter.com/Frozen62106324/status/1251717788026077186?s=09

Dang.

One of the funniest Tweet videos i've watched so far this year.

"Gimme 10 bucks now before midnight, no questions asked!".

Oh my God. These people are begging the public for money because Bernie did a people's campaign and they re still taking corporate funders and now that might dry up due to the economy and now they want the people suffering worse than them to fund their Power SEAT?


I have never heard of such sellout SHIT in all my life! THE HORROR.

No Nancy you go and claw your way out of your problems taking on these powerful rich Trump assholes in power pressuring you. The people who were donating ten dollars to Bernie weren't backing you. You had the liberal billionaires like Bloomberg in your party. Go beg Bloomberg for your money!

I have never seen horrible values in all my life. The public funded the SOCIALISTS who eschewed corporate funds.

You denied them power. Yet you want to con the public out of ten buck before midnight to keep your seat? Hell no.

[Tainari88]

A portion of our most fundamental rights is called human rights. There are also general rights and obligations which are not human rights but rights that are created by specific state, institution, organisation etc and claiming that all of them are "Human rights" is insanity.

Long story short. These are human rights: https://www.un.org/en/universal-declara ... an-rights/

Anything else besides that is debatable and since its debatable they are not human rights.

Yes, and there are many violations of human rights all over the world. That is what my mother fought for her whole life. Respect for the UN charter.

That was her goal.

Puerto Ricans rights are being violated crassly by the USA and the charter you cited here has it spelled out.

Unfortunately that is what we have. Violations of those rights. But I think this pandemic just might be a gamechanger and we might be able to get more nations deciding to adopt some universal human rights. It could be a great step forward for humans this crisis.

I am very hopeful and happy about the possibilities. It is all up to us. But this crisis is forcing human rights to be almost inevitable to maintain peace and prosperity.

[Finfinder]

I have said all along my dark horse ..........Hillary Clinton 2020 ..... Biden is burnt toast.

[JohnRawls]

Biden is gonna loose because he has dementia and he is old pedo is not an argument.

Before the Covid situation, Biden would loose. Considering what is going on, Biden has an 80% chance to win. A lot more if the situation doesn't get better. The argument here is that the employment will plumit and that is a fucking largest nail in any acting US president presidency. There is nothing worse then that. On top of that, Trump literally did squat shit to fix the situation. 1200 dollars is nothing. Loans are not given out properly compared to other countries. (Banks are basically telling the president to fuck off) On top of insurance companies weasling out of insurance obligations that they have. General economic downturn.

Trump is not addressing any of the big problems and will eventually look like a corporatism stooge. If people had any views of him being anti-establishment or anti-corporatism, this will simply open their eyes. He is being worse than Bush or Obama regarding this.

TLDR: Trump is toast unless he does something. But reality is that he has no idea what to do so his toast.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Biden is gonna loose because he has dementia and he is old pedo is not an argument.

Before the Covid situation, Biden would loose. Considering what is going on, Biden has an 80% chance to win. A lot more if the situation doesn't get better. The argument here is that the employment will plumit and that is a fucking largest nail in any acting US president presidency. There is nothing worse then that. On top of that, Trump literally did squat shit to fix the situation. 1200 dollars is nothing. Loans are not given out properly compared to other countries. (Banks are basically telling the president to fuck off) On top of insurance companies weasling out of insurance obligations that they have. General economic downturn.

Trump is not addressing any of the big problems and will eventually look like a corporatism stooge. If people had any views of him being anti-establishment or anti-corporatism, this will simply open their eyes. He is being worse than Bush or Obama regarding this.

TLDR: Trump is toast unless he does something. But reality is that he has no idea what to do so his toast.

Im fairly convinced that Biden will not win. This virus will be gone by November
many "progressive" supporters will not vote at all and some will vote for Trump just to stick it to the DNC
Biden will continute being embarrassing along with his creepy videos and the wird stuff he says will be all over the place
The most important part is what will happen to the economy. the Virus death count wont go above 100k and when mostly elders die it isnt such a big deal

[Finfinder]

Biden is gonna loose because he has dementia and he is old pedo is not an argument.

Before the Covid situation, Biden would loose. Considering what is going on, Biden has an 80% chance to win. A lot more if the situation doesn't get better. The argument here is that the employment will plumit and that is a fucking largest nail in any acting US president presidency. There is nothing worse then that. On top of that, Trump literally did squat shit to fix the situation. 1200 dollars is nothing. Loans are not given out properly compared to other countries. (Banks are basically telling the president to fuck off) On top of insurance companies weasling out of insurance obligations that they have. General economic downturn.

Trump is not addressing any of the big problems and will eventually look like a corporatism stooge. If people had any views of him being anti-establishment or anti-corporatism, this will simply open their eyes. He is being worse than Bush or Obama regarding this.

TLDR: Trump is toast unless he does something. But reality is that he has no idea what to do so his toast.

Halarious the new thing on POFO is to tell people they didn't make an argunemt then go ahead and argue against said non argument .

As I said on another thread.

The Democrats and the never Trumpers don't realize they have painted themselves into a corner. There has been post after post with videos showing Democrats who were first calling the president a racist ( for the early travel ban from China ) and secondly down playing the seriousness of the virus. That is the narrative they want to pin on Trump. Now your only hopes to be right from a political stand point is for a lot of people to die and root for the economy to tank. You know how easy Democrats failures and ill wishes are going to be to prove. How American.
Not good place to be or a winning argument.

Do any of you Biden supporters actually think the DNC is going to pick Joe Biden never the less do any of you Biden people really think Joe Biden will ever be let to stand on a debate stage 1 on 1 with Trump? Simple questions.

[JohnRawls]

Im fairly convinced that Biden will not win. This virus will be gone by November
many "progressive" supporters will not vote at all and some will vote for Trump just to stick it to the DNC
Biden will continute being embarrassing along with his creepy videos and the wird stuff he says will be all over the place
The most important part is what will happen to the economy. the Virus death count wont go above 100k and when mostly elders die it isnt such a big deal

Okay, analysis 101 here. We need to establish a baseline and that baseline/average will be the previous election.

So previous election was rather close, Clinton won the overall vote but lost the election because of the election rules. Now what is Biden Vs Clinton:
1) Biden is a man. (Better than being a women, Clinton didn't attract much more female vote)
2) Biden is white. (They are both white is irrelevant i guess)
3) Biden is less corrupt in the eyes of the people (Republicans didn't spend the last 5 years discredeting Biden)
4) Biden is more charismatic than Clinton (Both are sausages just Biden happens to be less of a sausage i guess)

There are more examples i can give here but overall, Biden is just a stronger candidate than Clinton, just on paper. There is also a very important argument to be made that Clinton cheated Sanders of his nomination while Biden won fair and square. Basically Biden is a less controvertial candidate compared to Clinton in the eyes of the Democrats and Democratic left wing. Yes, they don't like both but Biden is just less controvertial.

Now we look about changes for Trump:

1) It is his re-election(Acting presidents do better for re-elections)
2) People got used to him and he turned out to be basically average. (Which is both good and bad for Trump. I am unsure because from one side this makes him a corporatist but then from the other not crazy as democrats shout)
3) He has not fulfilled his promises regarding the economy(Coronavirus) and building the wall(it is not there). Previously him not fucking up the economy and living off Obamas heritage would have gotten him elected but the economy is fucked now and he is doing nothing.

Again, there is more stuff to be added here but that will be enough for now. Re-election is easier for an acting president and that would be the case of average but not now. If previously Biden being a better candidate than Hillary would not make him win the election then now, with the Covid mismanagement and economic downturn, overall situation is getting tipped over.

Some of the arguments that the "Left" will not vote for Biden is stupid. They didn't vote for Hillary anyways in mass because she basically cheated on Sanders. Biden didn't cheat on Sanders so the resentment here is less. Yes, they will not vote as much as they would for Bernie but that is besides the point. On top of the left being more radicalised and understanding the situation now. Basically, this time people will come out and vote even because of the virus if its still around in November. THey remember the previous election. The left is more radicalised. A lot of the things point in to the direction of Biden right now comapred to what the situation was with Hillary.

This doesn't even covers the dissent that some of the original Republican establishment will put up. Yes, they were more or less quite durring the previous election since they were caught off guard. This time, they are more or less ready to support Biden just not to let Trump win. They had time to prepare and organise regarding this. The Democratic "Left" on the other hand, will not vote for Trump even though they might have sympathies, simply because Trump has radicalised them against himself.

[JohnRawls]

Halarious the new thing on POFO is to tell people they didn't make an argunemt then go ahead and argue against said non argument .

As I said on another thread.



Do any of you Biden supporters actually think the DNC is going to pick Joe Biden never the less do any of you Biden people really think Joe Biden will ever be let to stand on a debate stage 1 on 1 with Trump? Simple questions.

I am not a Biden supporter but Yes, the election will be Trump vs Biden. And yes, Biden will be debating against Trump. And yes, they will stand on the same stage. What else? And yes, Character assassination of Biden will continue but it won't matter the same way as it didn't matter with Trump.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Okay, analysis 101 here. We need to establish a baseline and that baseline/average will be the previous election.

So previous election was rather close, Clinton won the overall vote but lost the election because of the election rules. Now what is Biden Vs Clinton:
1) Biden is a man. (Better than being a women, Clinton didn't attract much more female vote)
2) Biden is white. (They are both white is irrelevant i guess)
3) Biden is less corrupt in the eyes of the people (Republicans didn't spend the last 5 years discredeting Biden)
4) Biden is more charismatic than Clinton (Both are sausages just Biden happens to be less of a sausage i guess)

There are more examples i can give here but overall, Biden is just a stronger candidate than Clinton, just on paper. There is also a very important argument to be made that Clinton cheated Sanders of his nomination while Biden won fair and square. Basically Biden is a less controvertial candidate compared to Clinton in the eyes of the Democrats and Democratic left wing. Yes, they don't like both but Biden is just less controvertial.

Now we look about changes for Trump:

1) It is his re-election(Acting presidents do better for re-elections)
2) People got used to him and he turned out to be basically average. (Which is both good and bad for Trump. I am unsure because from one side this makes him a corporatist but then from the other not crazy as democrats shout)
3) He has not fulfilled his promises regarding the economy(Coronavirus) and building the wall(it is not there). Previously him not fucking up the economy and living off Obamas heritage would have gotten him elected but the economy is fucked now and he is doing nothing.

Again, there is more stuff to be added here but that will be enough for now. Re-election is easier for an acting president and that would be the case of average but not now. If previously Biden being a better candidate than Hillary would not make him win the election then now, with the Covid mismanagement and economic downturn, overall situation is getting tipped over.

Some of the arguments that the "Left" will not vote for Biden is stupid. They didn't vote for Hillary anyways in mass because she basically cheated on Sanders. Biden didn't cheat on Sanders so the resentment here is less. Yes, they will not vote as much as they would for Bernie but that is besides the point. On top of the left being more radicalised and understanding the situation now. Basically, this time people will come out and vote even because of the virus if its still around in November. THey remember the previous election. The left is more radicalised. A lot of the things point in to the direction of Biden right now comapred to what the situation was with Hillary.

This doesn't even covers the dissent that some of the original Republican establishment will put up. Yes, they were more or less quite durring the previous election since they were caught off guard. This time, they are more or less ready to support Biden just not to let Trump win. They had time to prepare and organise regarding this. The Democratic "Left" on the other hand, will not vote for Trump even though they might have sympathies, simply because Trump has radicalised them against himself.

There are some fair points here but Biden is also seen as corporate shill its like the light version of bush he is not really more likable than Hillary but the fact that he is a white man gives him some advantage in that regard
it will all come down to the debates in which Biden must show himself. if he humiliates himself with some weird stuff like he usually does its game over for him

Im not very worried about Biden winning. I would be very worried if it was Sanders,warren or any other of those nutjobs
Biden dont have extremist leftist views like them

[JohnRawls]

There are some fair points here but Biden is also seen as corporate shill its like the light version of bush he is not really more likable than Hillary but the fact that he is a white man gives him some advantage in that regard
it will all come down to the debates in which Biden must show himself. if he humiliates himself with some weird stuff like he usually does its game over for him

Being a corporatist shill is a problem when your opponent is not a corporatist shill. Trump is already mostly a corporatist shill in the eyes of the average voter from places that matter. It will be far worse for him if he doesn't do anything. If previous election he was considered an outside then this time he is a corporatist shill also especially with the Covid mismanagement. You haven't been paying attention at people shouting "Where is the support" and "Why are we not getting the loans from banks that were promised" or "Insurance companies are not fulfilling their obligations" etc.

Most of the people that argue against me right now regarding this(including you ZN), were arguing that the SJW lunatics don't matter because mostly they are in New York and California etc, which are default Democratic wins anyways. So why are you forgetting this now? Now, all of the sudden, you are saying that those SJWs matter and won't vote for Biden. It is still going to be a default win in New York and California, you know that yourself.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Being a corporatist shill is a problem when your opponent is not a corporatist shill. Trump is already mostly a corporatist shill in the eyes of the average voter from places that matter. It will be far worse for him if he doesn't do anything. If previous election he was considered an outside then this time he is a corporatist shill also especially with the Covid mismanagement. You haven't been paying attention at people shouting "Where is the support" and "Why are we not getting the loans from banks that were promised" or "Insurance companies are not fulfilling their obligations" etc.

Most of the people that argue against me right now regarding this(including you ZN), were arguing that the SJW lunatics don't matter because mostly they are in New York and California etc, which are default Democratic wins anyways. So why are you forgetting this now? Now, all of the sudden, you are saying that those SJWs matter and won't vote for Biden. It is still going to be a default win in New York and California, you know that yourself.

New York and California are lost causes. SJW vote in swing states will matter
Trump works with corporations because no president can ignore them even Sanders if was elected would work with them there is no way around it
Biden is the best mainstream centrist candidate they could had at this time with a slight left lean perfect for the corporations and those who want to promote globalism even though at this time it seem unlikely but they are not giving up on this cause
the problem is that he is very old and have health issues so even if he will get elected he will be replaced before he gets to his second term

[Finfinder]

I am not a Biden supporter but Yes, the election will be Trump vs Biden. And yes, Biden will be debating against Trump. And yes, they will stand on the same stage. What else? And yes, Character assassination of Biden will continue but it won't matter the same way as it didn't matter with Trump.

OK so not a supporter makes no difference. It is not a character assassination of Biden it's one of two things. Biden is faking this or he has a serious health problem he should get help for. Why is that a character assassination and BTW isn't that what happens in an election is anyway?

I disagree and I'm reading the tea leaves and betting the DNC isn't going to let Joe Biden get near a debate stage. Think about it. Look at the DNC rules I don't think all the delegates are forced to vote for Biden and people are fooling themselves if they don't think the Dems are not worried about him.

[JohnRawls]

New York and California are lost causes. SJW vote in swing states will matter
Trump works with corporations because no president can ignore them even Sanders if was elected would work with them there is no way around it
Biden is the best mainstream centrist candidate they could had at this time with a slight left lean perfect for the corporations and those who want to promote globalism even though at this time it seem unlikely but they are not giving up on this cause
the problem is that he is very old and have health issues so even if he will get elected he will be replaced before he gets to his second term

You are doing character assassinations the same way as it was with Trump. This doesn't work. Trump election is a proof of that.

SJW in swing states will come out simply because they have been radicalised and they don't hate Biden compared to Hillary. Also they have the experience of previous election. Biden is better in this regard compared to Clinton. Not to mention the swing voters are more unhappy with Trump than they were when Clinton VS Trump election was happening.

[JohnRawls]

OK so not a supporter makes no difference. It is not a character assassination of Biden it's one of two things. Biden is faking this or he has a serious health problem he should get help for. Why is that a character assassination and BTW isn't that what happens in an election is anyway?

I disagree and I'm reading the tea leaves and betting the DNC isn't going to let Joe Biden get near a debate stage. Think about it. Look at the DNC rules I don't think all the delegates are forced to vote for Biden and people are fooling themselves if they don't think the Dems are not worried about him.

It does happen but it doesn't matter. Your making it in to a big deal which it frankly isn't. He might as well be a retard and that still wouldn't matter. Look at the previous election, Trump had it far worse and it didn't matter. At the very least, Biden hasn't been recorded grabing women by the pussy which is a far worse offence in regard of character assassination.

Edit: The right way to put it is that character assassination doesn't work as well as it used to at least. It is a valid tactic that was used all the way back to the Roman republic at least. But for some reason people just don't care nowadays.