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By Hindsite
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Beren wrote:The Guardian wrote:
Last week Giuliani conceded that Trump associates may have colluded with Russia. If they had, he said, Trump had not known.

Fuck Keanu Reeves, just give me this devil's advocate! :lol:

Actually, Giuliani did not concede any such thing. He was simply saying that he was only the President's lawyer and had no knowledge of what anyone else in the campaign did or did not do and was not representing anyone but the President.
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By Beren
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Sure, he only defends the president himself, so he doesn't know and doesn't care if there was any collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. However, it makes the impression the president is ready to distance himself from his own former campaign due to which he became president. :lol:
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Beren wrote:Sure, he only defends the president himself, so he doesn't know and doesn't care if there was any collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. However, it makes the impression the president is ready to distance himself from his own former campaign due to which he became president. :lol:

Trump had people come an go during that campaign and did not know many of them well. Some were unpaid volunteers. Manafort was the campaign manager for about 3 months because he was recommended by someone else. And Manafort was indicted and convicted of things that happen several years before he joined the campaign. A few plead guilty to lying to the FBI about things that had nothing to do with the campaign or collusion with the Russians.
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By Beren
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The problem I think is that they don't know how Mueller's report will be, so they have to prepare for the worst too, when it says there was a collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians and they can't refute it. Then Trump will simply say he didn't know about it, which still would mean he became president with Russian assistance. Then the House could decide if it's worth more investigating and even triggering an impeachment process, I wonder whether Trump will say it's a backlash for the shutdown if they do so and he only means to fire up his base with this conflict with Pelosi.
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By jimjam
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When the Trump administration announced last month that it was lifting sanctions against a trio of companies controlled by an influential Russian oligarch, it cast the move as tough on Russia and on the oligarch, arguing that he had to make painful concessions to get the sanctions lifted.

But a binding confidential document signed by both sides suggests that the agreement the administration negotiated with the companies controlled by the oligarch, Oleg V. Deripaska, may have been less punitive than advertised.

The deal contains provisions that free him from hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while leaving him and his allies with majority ownership of his most important company, the document shows.

“Score that a win for Putin,” tweeted Michael A. McFaul, a former United States ambassador to Russia.
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Comrade Oleg ^, one of Comrade Donald's "oligarch" BFF's ever since Western banks cut him off due to his habit of going bankrupt.
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jimjam wrote:The deal contains provisions that free him from hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while leaving him and his allies with majority ownership of his most important company, the document shows.


I was a tad confused over whom was freed from debt, so I googled it. Didn't realise this was the case that was recently voted upon by the Senate:

GOP-Run Senate Backs End to Sanctions on Firms Tied to Putin Ally

The Senate blocked a Democratic bid to force the Treasury Department to keep sanctions on three Russian companies linked to oligarch Oleg Deripaska, as most Republicans backed the Trump administration’s plan to lift the penalties.

The 57-42 Senate vote Wednesday was three short of the 60 needed to advance the Democrats’ resolution to a final vote. As a result, the Treasury Department likely will be able to move forward with its plan announced Dec. 19 to lift sanctions against three companies Deripaska controls -- United Co. Rusal, En+ Group Plc and EuroSibEnergo JSC.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-16/democrats-lose-bid-to-keep-sanctions-on-deripaska-related-firms

Which makes me wonder what in the world is McConnell playing at?
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By jimjam
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Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime informal adviser to President Trump, was charged as part of the special counsel investigation over his communications with WikiLeaks, the organization behind the release of thousands of stolen Democratic emails during the 2016 campaign, in an indictment unsealed Friday.

Last year, Mr. Trump tweeted praise for Mr. Stone who promised never to testify against him and contrasted him with other former associates who have cooperated with prosecutors. Mr. Stone, a self-described dirty trickster, began his career as a campaign aide for Richard M. Nixon and has a tattoo of Nixon on his back. ( :eek: you cannot make this shit up)

It was revealed last year that, in the weeks before the election, Mr. Stone was messaging on Twitter with Guccifer 2.0, a pseudonym used by one or more operatives in the Russian intelligence scheme to steal the emails and funnel them to WikiLeaks.

Don Jr. and Jared appear to be in the on-deck circle. Then, at long last, there's the matter of applying the rule of law to the boss of bosses: Individual-1.

I wish just once that when Sarah Huckabee claims that the President is not involved, that the entire room would burst out in laughter until she would run from the room in embarrassment.
By B0ycey
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If Manafort was dealing with the Russians, it was a sure thing Stone was too.

Russia have some fine whores for Stone to masquerade with. Temptation was too much it seems. :lol:
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By jimjam
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The biggest news in the Stone indictment was its charge that somebody told “a senior Trump campaign official” to contact Stone about any “damaging information” that WikiLeaks might have about the Clinton campaign. And that Stone reported back about stuff that just might be coming out in the near future.

Who do you think that Somebody could be? A person with receding hair and a taste for ultralong ties who recently kept the government shut for more than a month for no good reason whatsoever? Your guess is as good as mine. :?:
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By Hindsite
#14982858
jimjam wrote:The biggest news in the Stone indictment was its charge that somebody told “a senior Trump campaign official” to contact Stone about any “damaging information” that WikiLeaks might have about the Clinton campaign. And that Stone reported back about stuff that just might be coming out in the near future.

Who do you think that Somebody could be? A person with receding hair and a taste for ultralong ties who recently kept the government shut for more than a month for no good reason whatsoever? Your guess is as good as mine. :?:

Roger Stone just appeared on FOX News and was asked about the identity of the Senior Trump campaign official and who was the person that instructed him to contact Stone. And Stone replied that he did not know because the incident never happened.

Anyway, if the Clinton campaign could hire a former British spy to get damaging information on Trump from the Russians, why would it be worse for the Trump campaign to ask someone to ask if WikiLeaks had damaging information on Clinton?
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Hindsite wrote:Anyway, if the Clinton campaign could hire a former British spy to get damaging information on Trump from the Russians, why would it be worse for the Trump campaign to ask someone to ask if WikiLeaks had damaging information on Clinton?

Trump's base is solid. The whole point of this exercise is to try to get Trump's base to ditch him. Now we have another little show of 29 heavily armed FBI agents sent to arrest one unarmed guy for "lying to Congress". :roll: It'll generate a bit of weekend chatter for CNN heads. As usual, there is nothing suggesting collusion with Russia--again. Once again, it has to be pointed out that "collusion" is not a crime. Mueller has spent a staggering amount of money for coming up empty so consistently. Maybe for his next arrest, he should go in with M1 tanks. :roll:
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Hindsite wrote:Roger Stone just appeared on FOX News and was asked about the identity of the Senior Trump campaign official and who was the person that instructed him to contact Stone. And Stone replied that he did not know because the incident never happened.

Anyway, if the Clinton campaign could hire a former British spy to get damaging information on Trump from the Russians, why would it be worse for the Trump campaign to ask someone to ask if WikiLeaks had damaging information on Clinton?


Still crying about clinton? Its been 2 years, get the fuck over it.
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By XogGyux
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blackjack21 wrote:Trump's base is solid. The whole point of this exercise is to try to get Trump's base to ditch him. Now we have another little show of 29 heavily armed FBI agents sent to arrest one unarmed guy for "lying to Congress". :roll: It'll generate a bit of weekend chatter for CNN heads. As usual, there is nothing suggesting collusion with Russia--again. Once again, it has to be pointed out that "collusion" is not a crime. Mueller has spent a staggering amount of money for coming up empty so consistently. Maybe for his next arrest, he should go in with M1 tanks. :roll:


Keep defending, the pile of indicted and convicted people around trump keeps piling and Muller seems pretty laser focused. This ain't over yet.
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By Hindsite
#14982875
blackjack21 wrote:Trump's base is solid. The whole point of this exercise is to try to get Trump's base to ditch him. Now we have another little show of 29 heavily armed FBI agents sent to arrest one unarmed guy for "lying to Congress". :roll: It'll generate a bit of weekend chatter for CNN heads. As usual, there is nothing suggesting collusion with Russia--again. Once again, it has to be pointed out that "collusion" is not a crime. Mueller has spent a staggering amount of money for coming up empty so consistently. Maybe for his next arrest, he should go in with M1 tanks. :roll:

It seems curious that CNN was there to film that early morning arrest too. It seems that the Mueller team wants to make a show of what they can to do with those that don't cooperate by pleading guilty to some trumped up charge.
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XogGyux wrote:Keep defending, the pile of indicted and convicted people around trump keeps piling and Muller seems pretty laser focused. This ain't over yet.

Yes, the bodies are piling up. The charges are all process crimes or unrelated to the 2016 campaign. If this is laser focused, there isn't anything to the charge underwriting the entire investigation. The entire thing is just ritual human sacrifice at this point. I understand why you are enjoying it.

Hindsite wrote:It seems curious that CNN was there to film that early morning arrest too. It seems that the Mueller team wants to make a show of what they can to do with those that don't cooperate by pleading guilty to some trumped up charge.

It's deeply cynical content generation. Quite obviously, CNN was tipped off. Frankly, I don't see how the people in favor of this sort of thing are inclined to PETA and viciously opposed to animal cruelty, dog and cock fights, etc. It's right out of hunger games or something.
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By jimjam
#14982952
Hindsite wrote:Roger Stone just appeared on FOX News and was asked about the identity of the Senior Trump campaign official and who was the person that instructed him to contact Stone. And Stone replied that he did not know because the incident never happened.

Anyway, if the Clinton campaign could hire a former British spy to get damaging information on Trump from the Russians, why would it be worse for the Trump campaign to ask someone to ask if WikiLeaks had damaging information on Clinton?

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Undoubtedly Mr. Stone ^ would not tell a lie …. especially on Fox Fake News.

Anyway, I fail to see what former British spies and Crooked Hillary would have to do with what transpired in Comrade Donald's campaign.
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By XogGyux
#14983000
blackjack21 wrote:Yes, the bodies are piling up. The charges are all process crimes or unrelated to the 2016 campaign. If this is laser focused, there isn't anything to the charge underwriting the entire investigation. The entire thing is just ritual human sacrifice at this point. I understand why you are enjoying it.

Keep lying to yourself ;D
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