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By Hindsite
#15106688
jimjam wrote:Don the Con commuted the sentence of Roger Stone on a Friday night, thinking no one would notice.

I noticed and FOX News noticed. We were all waiting for either a pardon or a commutation of Roger Stone's sentence. At this time. I believe President Trump did the right thing. He can always pardon Stone at a later time.

jimjam wrote:Stone, a longtime trump friend, lied to Congress and threatened a witness to cover it up. Stone was convicted on 7 counts of obstruction, false statements and witness tampering by a jury of his peers.

None of those charges were actually true. They were just trumped up charges by the Deep State as part of their Russian collusion hoax.

jimjam wrote:Stone’s lies were for one purpose – to protect Trump from exposure of the Trump campaign’s efforts to communicate with Wikileaks and exploit the release of Russian-hacked emails targeting Hillary Clinton.

If that were true, then it was a good thing to expose how crooked the Democrats and Hillary had become.

jimjam wrote:With this commutation, Trump is paying back that favor.
What's that term again? Oh yeah, quid pro quo.

Trump is also righting a wrong committed against Roger Stone by the Deep State.
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By jimjam
#15107011
Hindsite wrote: Deep State


I see where Don The Con's New Deep State is in increasing trouble ……. I hear Georgia is now "in play" :eek: Better get to work HS ……… I hear that the price of a vote in Georgia is now up to 48 cans of Bud Lite :lol:
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By jimjam
#15107133
Donald's grant of clemency to Mr. Stone was an unconstitutional use of the presidential clemency power. The Constitution obligates the president to “take care that the laws shall be faithfully executed.” It does not permit a president to grant clemency or to pardon a co-conspirator, an obvious conflict of interest.

Even Donald's personal lawyer, Bill Barr, has said as much. When asked at his confirmation hearing if a president can “lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him,” he answered: “No. That would be a crime.”
#15107174
Geez. I figured the same reasoning applied to both clemency or to pardon a co-conspirator. Trump chose clemency because if Roger Stone, blabbermouth, spilled the goods on President Trump, Trump could retaliate. What a basis for a friendship, :excited:
By Finfinder
#15107693
jimjam wrote:Donald's grant of clemency to Mr. Stone was an unconstitutional use of the presidential clemency power. The Constitution obligates the president to “take care that the laws shall be faithfully executed.” It does not permit a president to grant clemency or to pardon a co-conspirator, an obvious conflict of interest.

Even Donald's personal lawyer, Bill Barr, has said as much. When asked at his confirmation hearing if a president can “lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him,” he answered: “No. That would be a crime.”


So would you agree that these pardons by Bubba Clinton the last day he held office are unconstitutional as well yet none were contested.

Peter MacDonald had been sentenced to 14 years at a Federal Prison in Texas for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption stemming from the Navajo purchase of the Big Boquillas Ranch in Northwestern Arizona. On the day before President Clinton left office, U.S. Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy lobbied the White House to commute the sentence of the former leader of the Navajo Nation. MacDonald's sentence was commuted after he served 10 years.
Carlos Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his 1983 mail fraud and perjury convictions.[19] In 1998 he was under federal investigation for money laundering and tax evasion charges.[20] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public.[21][22] Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[23]
Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg, members of the radical Weather Underground organization, both had sentences for weapons and explosives charges commuted: Evans served 16 years of her 40-year sentence, and Rosenberg served 16 of her 58 years.[24][25]
Marc Rich, a fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts for tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.[26] Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon. Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."[27]
Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal. McDougal had served the maximum possible 18 months, including eight in solitary confinement, on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman from Illinois and Chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, was pardoned for his role in the Congressional Post Office scandal. Rostenkowski had served 13 months of a 17-month sentence before being released in 1997.[28] After his release from prison, Clinton granted him a pardon in December 2000.[29][30]
Mel Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault of a child, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography. His sentence was commuted on the bank fraud charge and he was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a halfway house. Reynolds had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
Patty Hearst, who was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1974. After being isolated and threatened with death, she became supportive of their cause, making propaganda announcements for them and taking part in illegal activities. After her arrest in 1975, she was found guilty of bank robbery. Her conviction and long prison sentence were widely seen as unjust, but the procedural correctness of her trial was upheld by the courts. Hearst's sentence was commuted by President Jimmy Carter, and she was pardoned by President Bill Clinton.[31]
Roger Clinton, the president's brother, was pardoned for drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade earlier.[citation needed] Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[32] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others. However, no wrongdoing was uncovered.
Harvey Weinig, a former Manhattan lawyer who was sentenced in 1996 to 11 years in prison for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali cocaine cartel.[33][34]
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By jimjam
#15107737
Finfinder wrote:So would you agree that these pardons by Bubba Clinton the last day he held office are unconstitutional as well yet none were contested.

Peter MacDonald had been sentenced to 14 years at a Federal Prison in Texas for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption stemming from the Navajo purchase of the Big Boquillas Ranch in Northwestern Arizona. On the day before President Clinton left office, U.S. Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy lobbied the White House to commute the sentence of the former leader of the Navajo Nation. MacDonald's sentence was commuted after he served 10 years.
Carlos Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his 1983 mail fraud and perjury convictions.[19] In 1998 he was under federal investigation for money laundering and tax evasion charges.[20] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public.[21][22] Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[23]
Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg, members of the radical Weather Underground organization, both had sentences for weapons and explosives charges commuted: Evans served 16 years of her 40-year sentence, and Rosenberg served 16 of her 58 years.[24][25]
Marc Rich, a fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts for tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.[26] Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon. Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."[27]
Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal. McDougal had served the maximum possible 18 months, including eight in solitary confinement, on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman from Illinois and Chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, was pardoned for his role in the Congressional Post Office scandal. Rostenkowski had served 13 months of a 17-month sentence before being released in 1997.[28] After his release from prison, Clinton granted him a pardon in December 2000.[29][30]
Mel Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault of a child, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography. His sentence was commuted on the bank fraud charge and he was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a halfway house. Reynolds had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
Patty Hearst, who was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1974. After being isolated and threatened with death, she became supportive of their cause, making propaganda announcements for them and taking part in illegal activities. After her arrest in 1975, she was found guilty of bank robbery. Her conviction and long prison sentence were widely seen as unjust, but the procedural correctness of her trial was upheld by the courts. Hearst's sentence was commuted by President Jimmy Carter, and she was pardoned by President Bill Clinton.[31]
Roger Clinton, the president's brother, was pardoned for drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade earlier.[citation needed] Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[32] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others. However, no wrongdoing was uncovered.
Harvey Weinig, a former Manhattan lawyer who was sentenced in 1996 to 11 years in prison for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali cocaine cartel.[33][34]


R U saying that two (or 3 or 46) wrongs make a right? :eek: Anyway I wasn't talking about Clinton. I was talking about Don the Con who has taken presidential crime to new high levels.
By Finfinder
#15107752
jimjam wrote:R U saying that two (or 3 or 46) wrongs make a right? :eek: Anyway I wasn't talking about Clinton. I was talking about Don the Con who has taken presidential crime to new high levels.


As long as we can agree you not making an argument to change anyones mind, it's just red meat for the not so bright mob in the echo chamber... I guess.

I'm also saying that it's not unconstitutional. The outrage really is just dramedy. The left really has wanted to reduce the power of the executive branch only for Republicans for years.
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By jimjam
#15107793
Finfinder wrote:As long as we can agree you not making an argument to change anyones mind


Agreed …… I doubt that anybody has ever changed anybody's mind here on pofo :lol:
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By Hindsite
#15108889
jimjam wrote:I see where Don The Con's New Deep State is in increasing trouble ……. I hear Georgia is now "in play" :eek: Better get to work HS ……… I hear that the price of a vote in Georgia is now up to 48 cans of Bud Lite :lol:

Obviously, you are still listening to fake news.

jimjam wrote:Donald's grant of clemency to Mr. Stone was an unconstitutional use of the presidential clemency power.

No it isn't. It is part of the pardon power, which he has only used 11 times compared to Obama's using it over 1700 more times.
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Has anyone in, or gone to Portland Oregon to check out these "federal nabs"? I'm wondering if they have Russian accents.
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By Hindsite
#15109298
Stormsmith wrote:Has anyone in, or gone to Portland Oregon to check out these "federal nabs"? I'm wondering if they have Russian accents.

I wouldn't go to that crazy place if I were paid $one million. I am content to find out about it from FOX News and One America News. I don't trust CNN and MSNBC.
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By jimjam
#15109613
Stormsmith wrote:Has anyone in, or gone to Portland Oregon to check out these "federal nabs"? I'm wondering if they have Russian accents.


Don The Con is not difficult to predict after 3 1/2 years of lies and carnival barker performance. It is looking like a substantial number of Americans are sick of his incompetence and want to send him back to T.V. to play follow up to Roy Rogers re runs.

His Plan B is obviously to have his personal lawyer, Billy Barr, locate some obscure law he can use to declare his loss null and void due to mail in ballot fraud. He "works" best in atmospheres of chaos that he creates. Maybe Billy Barr can conduct a four year long "investigation" while Don The Con remains in office making, of course, America great again and, then, anoint Don Jr. our next dictator. An accompanying side show of providing "law and order" to various riots that have been instigated by under cover "rioters" in Donald's employ will be there to entertain America's obese/dumb 40%.
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@jimjam

You're right, President Trump is predictable and boring with it.

As for Bill Barr, considering the years of effort Moscow Mitch McConnell has spent turning your courts into a sea of republican justices, he isn't doing very well, is he?

Moscow Mitch. Get rid of him. And in so doing, you might rein in Putin.
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StormSmith wrote:Has anyone in, or gone to Portland Oregon to check out these "federal nabs"? I'm wondering if they have Russian accents.

The knucklehead mayor of Portland joined the protests, and got shouted down by the protesters who demanded he resign. Then, he went to the Federal courthouse too and got teargassed.



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By Hindsite
#15109729
blackjack21 wrote:The knucklehead mayor of Portland joined the protests, and got shouted down by the protesters who demanded he resign. Then, he went to the Federal courthouse too and got teargassed.




I believe these words from the Prophet Isaiah could apply to the radical left of today:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
(Isaiah 5:20 KJV)
#15109815
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com ... 24601.html

This is an amazing article. To summarize it, the primary source for the Steele dossier was a Russian who was employed at a Democratic think tank. He had been jailed multiple times for things like public drunkenness and claimed to have mental disorders. One of the guys who signed off on the credibility of the dossier actually prosecuted this guy himself for a crime in 2013 I think it said.
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By jimjam
#15109818
Hindsite wrote:I believe these words from the Prophet Isaiah could apply to the radical left of today:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
(Isaiah 5:20 KJV)

Trump talks last Thursday about coronavirus, arms control and other matters (How to set up a dictatorship ? :eek: ) in phone call with Putin.

Looks like Don The Con is willing to destroy the USPS and Hindsites monthly check because he hates Jeff Bezos.

“The Postal Service is a joke,” Mr. Trump declared recently, announcing that he would not support any additional financial support for the agency. It was the White House that intervened in March, nixing a bipartisan plan to provide $13 billion to the Postal Service.
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By Hindsite
#15109876
jimjam wrote:Trump talks last Thursday about coronavirus, arms control and other matters (How to set up a dictatorship ? :eek: ) in phone call with Putin.

You are just as dishonest as the Fake News pundits on CNN and NSNBC.

jimjam wrote:Looks like Don The Con is willing to destroy the USPS and Hindsites monthly check because he hates Jeff Bezos.

“The Postal Service is a joke,” Mr. Trump declared recently, announcing that he would not support any additional financial support for the agency. It was the White House that intervened in March, nixing a bipartisan plan to provide $13 billion to the Postal Service.

As I understand it, Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post that is always making false and misleading statements about President Trump.

Yes, I worked for the Post Office for 23 years, but you are mistaken if you think I get a retirement check from the USPS. My retirement check comes from OPM just like other Civil Service employees; and I invested in the Thrift Savings plan, so I also get a monthly annuity from Met Life. So whatever is done with the USPS does not affect me anymore than anyone else.

The USPS was taken off government funding and required to fund itself by the price of postage like a business. That resulted in a huge surplus for the USPS. But then the Democrats needed money for the government budget shortfall, so they put the USPS back on budget to take their surplus money. This happened a couple of times while I worked for USPS.

Then at some point the Democrats decided to regulate how much the USPS could charge for postage. President Trump wants the USPS to charge enough to run their business and not give all these discounts to UPS when they drop off parcels to be delivered the rest of the way by USPS. That was what the President was talking about when he referred to the USPS as a joke.
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By jimjam
#15109888
Hindsite wrote: That was what the President was talking about when he referred to the USPS as a joke.


Lessee now. How many times did Donald declare bankruptcy? 3? 4? 5? And I believe he is the first pres to run the country at a $1,000,000,000,000 annual deficit (pre virus and depression bailout) …… now THAT'S a "joke" :eek:
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By Hindsite
#15109889
jimjam wrote:Lessee now. How many times did Donald declare bankruptcy? 3? 4? 5? And I believe he is the first pres to run the country at a $1,000,000,000,000 annual deficit (pre virus and depression bailout) …… now THAT'S a "joke" :eek:

No, Obama was the first to set the standard. I am sure that sleepy Joe Biden will follow his mentor's lead, especially since the Democrats love to spend the tax payer's money. :lol:
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