[jimjam]

What is your proof that fossil fuel companies have been paying scientist to lie? And what is the supposed lie?

"But to fully address the threat of global warming, we must demand action from our elected leaders to support and implement a comprehensive set of climate solutions:
Expand the use of renewable energy and transform our energy system to one that is cleaner and less dependent on coal and other fossil fuels.
Increase vehicle fuel efficiency and support other solutions that reduce U.S. oil use.
Place limits on the amount of carbon that polluters are allowed to emit.
Build a clean energy economy by investing in efficient energy technologies, industries, and approaches.
Reduce tropical deforestation and its associated global warming emissions."

Stuff like this ^, if widely accepted, will seriously reduce fossil fuel profits. I think it is a no brainer that the fossil fuel boys will pay scientists to counter these ideas. If you pay the piper … you get to call the tune. After all, nothing is more important than money :

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"But to fully address the threat of global warming, we must demand action from our elected leaders to support and implement a comprehensive set of climate solutions:
Expand the use of renewable energy and transform our energy system to one that is cleaner and less dependent on coal and other fossil fuels.
Increase vehicle fuel efficiency and support other solutions that reduce U.S. oil use.
Place limits on the amount of carbon that polluters are allowed to emit.
Build a clean energy economy by investing in efficient energy technologies, industries, and approaches.
Reduce tropical deforestation and its associated global warming emissions."

Stuff like this ^, if widely accepted, will seriously reduce fossil fuel profits. I think it is a no brainer that the fossil fuel boys will pay scientists to counter these ideas. If you pay the piper … you get to call the tune. After all, nothing is more important than money :

So, in other words, you don't have any proof.

[jimjam]

So, in other words, you don't have any proof.

A no brainer does not require proof unless the viewer has no brain.

Come on use your brain man. Fossil fuel billionaires are not going to do everything in their power to discredit global warming Dumb idea on it's face.

Hey H.S. ………. that's enough nonsense for today. I'm going to bed.

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A no brainer does not require proof unless the viewer has no brain.

Come on use your brain man. Fossil fuel billionaires are not going to do everything in their power to discredit global warming Dumb idea on it's face.

Hey H.S. ………. that's enough nonsense for today. I'm going to bed.

Put on a tin foil hat when you come back.
Praise the Lord.

[Pants-of-dog]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... e-warnings

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

We have had enough of the old global warming hoax.

Man-caused Global Warming: The Greatest Scam in World History
NOVEMBER 18, 2016

Video of Heartland Institute Science Director Jay Lehr at the AM 560 Freedom Summit in suburban Chicago on October 29, 2016. Lehr's thesis: There is not now, nor has there ever been, any scientific evidence proving mankind has affected the climate on a global scale. Our media and “scientific community” tell us otherwise. But here’s the truth: The hypothesis of man-caused global warming is based almost entirely on computer modeling that are, quite simply, a bad scientific joke. However, that has not stopped politicians from pouring hundreds of millions in taxpayer-funded grants to unethical scientists to keep the scam going. The result is continued impoverishment of the poor, a declining standard of living for the middle class, and greater empowerment of the ruling class.

https://www.heartland.org/multimedia/vi ... ld-history

[Pants-of-dog]

You asked for evidence that the fossil fuel companies paid scientists to lie.

I provided it.

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You asked for evidence that the fossil fuel companies paid scientists to lie.

I provided it.

That was not proof. It was only a conspiracy theory and unproven at that. Even that says noting about them paying scientists to lie.

[jimjam]

A worker rummages through plastic waste filling a "river" in the Taimur Nagar district of New Delhi, on June 12, 2018



This bothers me. I would guess that if this bothers me, I would be classified as a "liberal" by Sean, Rush and Fox Fake News

[blackjack21]

A worker rummages through plastic waste filling a "river" in the Taimur Nagar district of New Delhi, on June 12, 2018
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This bothers me. I would guess that if this bothers me, I would be classified as a "liberal" by Sean, Rush and Fox Fake News

Why does this bother you? This is happening in India. It has little to do with US politics, and I rather doubt Sean, Rush and Fox Totally Awesome News care to form opinions about it.

Why do you think we should offshore jobs to India when their sanitation standards are minimal at best? Wouldn't it make more sense to increase tariffs on countries that do not have sanitation standards in place and block them from access to US markets until they put standards in place and enforce them?

Why do you think we should allow people to immigrate from places like India when they have these sorts of sanitation standards? These immigrants could become American citizens and campaign for the removal of all our strict environmental controls. You seem very afraid of Republicans doing that when the conservation movement came from the Republican party and the EPA was founded by a Republican (Richard Nixon).

The thing that is weird about your position is that you seem to think we should welcome these people into the United States, and not concern ourselves with the way they conduct their lives in their present countries.

Are you one of those people who is concerned about India, because you don't want to highlight problems in the United States? More specifically, are you neglecting to highlight problems in the United States in jurisdictions run by Democrats? For example, Los Angeles is run by Democrats and has been for decades:

[jimjam]

Why does this bother you? This is happening in India. It has little to do with US politics, and I rather doubt Sean, Rush and Fox Totally Awesome News care to form opinions about it.

Why do you think we should offshore jobs to India when their sanitation standards are minimal at best? Wouldn't it make more sense to increase tariffs on countries that do not have sanitation standards in place and block them from access to US markets until they put standards in place and enforce them?

Why do you think we should allow people to immigrate from places like India when they have these sorts of sanitation standards? These immigrants could become American citizens and campaign for the removal of all our strict environmental controls. You seem very afraid of Republicans doing that when the conservation movement came from the Republican party and the EPA was founded by a Republican (Richard Nixon).

The thing that is weird about your position is that you seem to think we should welcome these people into the United States, and not concern ourselves with the way they conduct their lives in their present countries.

Are you one of those people who is concerned about India, because you don't want to highlight problems in the United States? More specifically, are you neglecting to highlight problems in the United States in jurisdictions run by Democrats? For example, Los Angeles is run by Democrats and has been for decades:

My feelings have nothing to do with India per se. I am concerned with humanity's gross mismanagement of planet earth. It is such esoteric wacko liberal concerns such as this that I am confident would subject me to scorn by Sean, Rush, Fox Fake News et al. No doubt they would quickly dismiss my concerns as those of an Anti Trump socialist or some such similar mindless drivel which is their stock in trade. You are an intelligent man #21. No doubt you have listened to Sean and Rush. Do you really buy into their simple minded hate screeds?

I am not concerned with the rather meaningless dichotomy of Republican/conservative vs Democrat/liberal mindset that sets the tone of anger and hatred that seems to be the tune of our times more so than I have ever seen in my lifetime. My concern is that your deep state controlled media has foisted this pedantic and destructive mind set upon the nation to distract us while they pick out pockets.

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A worker rummages through plastic waste filling a "river" in the Taimur Nagar district of New Delhi, on June 12, 2018



This bothers me. I would guess that if this bothers me, I would be classified as a "liberal" by Sean, Rush and Fox Fake News

How do you know that the worker's job is not sorting the plastic waste for recycling?

Sorting of plastic waste for effective recycling

The sorting of plastics is a very essential step in different waste management technique. Manual sorting is suitable when plastic component are present in large amount but it is a labor intensive process. In automated sorting technique NIR(near infrared) offers great advantage among all wave sorting technique but not suited for dark coloured plastic and can be used on transparent bodies. In air sorting lighter particles are separated from heavier ones based on specific gravity. In electrostatic sorting method materials are separated based on electrostatic charge. In float-sink separation technique the plastics are in a fluid that has density in between the materials making it possible for less dense material to float and heavier to sink whereas sorting by selective dissolution is based on batch dissolution of mixed plastics using solvents. Hydrocyclones enhance the difference of specific weight by centrifugal force so materials with little difference can be separated as well.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _recycling

[Pants-of-dog]

What makes you think that the picture is of a worker recycling plastic?

[jimjam]

How do you know that the worker's job is not sorting the plastic waste for recycling?

Sorting of plastic waste for effective recycling

The sorting of plastics is a very essential step in different waste management technique. Manual sorting is suitable when plastic component are present in large amount but it is a labor intensive process. In automated sorting technique NIR(near infrared) offers great advantage among all wave sorting technique but not suited for dark coloured plastic and can be used on transparent bodies. In air sorting lighter particles are separated from heavier ones based on specific gravity. In electrostatic sorting method materials are separated based on electrostatic charge. In float-sink separation technique the plastics are in a fluid that has density in between the materials making it possible for less dense material to float and heavier to sink whereas sorting by selective dissolution is based on batch dissolution of mixed plastics using solvents. Hydrocyclones enhance the difference of specific weight by centrifugal force so materials with little difference can be separated as well.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _recycling

You just kinda made my point. Propaganda outlets like Fox Fake News and the booming authoritative voices of Rush and Sean have pretty much made it clear that anybody who has an issue with massive dumps of plastic into the oceans of the world are weak kneed liberal bleeding hearts while this is not something "conservatives" need concern themselves with.


Uh-Oh looks like some "sorting" is needed here ^

There are five massive patches of plastic in the oceans around the world. These huge concentrations of plastic debris cover large swaths of the ocean; the one between California and Hawaii is the size of the state of Texas

Every minute, one garbage truck of plastic is dumped into our oceans

[Sivad]

Why does this bother you? This is happening in India.

It's disturbing on a number of levels but why don't we start with simple human compassion. I see people scavenging in garbage piles for bare survival and I can't just ignore their suffering because they reside within a different set of imaginary lines than me.

[blackjack21]

You just kinda made my point. Propaganda outlets like Fox Fake News and the booming authoritative voices of Rush and Sean have pretty much made it clear that anybody who has an issue with massive dumps of plastic into the oceans of the world are weak kneed liberal bleeding hearts while this is not something "conservatives" need concern themselves with.

I understand that this gets your panties in a bunch, but most of the garbage in the Pacific garbage patch comes from Asia, not the Americas. Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News have essentially nothing to do with it. If you want to effect change, you have to put pressure on these countries. The most effective way to do that would be to limit their access to the US market until they comply with our demands, and perhaps demand some cleanup from them too.

Every minute, one garbage truck of plastic is dumped into our oceans

And it's not being done in the United States. What we are seeing is one of the many failures of globalization. If we don't want the people like Hillary Clinton and Paul Ryan sitting on boards of companies like Wal Mart and lobbying to eliminate any trade barriers, that means we need to vote for different politicians at the very minimum.

It's disturbing on a number of levels but why don't we start with simple human compassion.

So you are an "empath" as they like to say these days. That's lovely. Pat yourself on the back for being such a wonderful person. In the absence of a viable solution to this problem, you are going to be in a perpetual state of emotional perturbation.

I see people scavenging in garbage piles for bare survival and I can't just ignore their suffering because they reside within a different set of imaginary lines than me.

There are more than imaginary lines in play here. There are culture differences. As I said, the United States does not back up garbage trucks to the ocean and dump plastic in them. Other countries do, and for whatever reason, people seem to think that these countries should have access to the US market place. I think we should condition the import of goods into the United States on countries adopting and enforcing policies to address waste management.

In addition to improving the environment and managing resources more effectively, it may also help alleviate your perturbed emotional state.

[jimjam]

Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News have essentially nothing to do with it.

What they have to do with it is demonstrated in the mind set that concern for environmental issues, pollution reduction and empathy for humans living in abject poverty is a weak kneed and out of touch "liberal" agenda while "conservatives" have more important agenda items to concern themselves with such as hating Hillary Clinton, Obama and dead Senator McCain. It's called propaganda and Sean, Rush and Fox Fake News excel at propaganda and fake news.

Your comment:

So you are an "empath" as they like to say these days. That's lovely. Pat yourself on the back for being such a wonderful person. In the absence of a viable solution to this problem, you are going to be in a perpetual state of emotional perturbation.

demonstrates that Sean, Rush and Fox Fake News have trained you well. As I asked above: You are an intelligent man #21. No doubt you have listened to Sean and Rush. Do you really buy into their simple minded hate screeds? Come on now …… they spew out some really dumb shit. I cannot believe a smart man like yourself believes their garbage.

[Sivad]

So you are an "empath" as they like to say these days.

Who likes to say that? Conservatives have become such giant assholes that now anyone who has like normal human concern for other people is a hyper-sensitive "empath" to them.

In the absence of a viable solution to this problem

Shit don't get solved because the world's full of giant assholes that don't give a fuck, not because there are no viable solutions. There are all kinds of viable solutions.

you are going to be in a perpetual state of emotional perturbation.

I'm gonna be just fine, you're the one that's got the emotional issues what with being dead on the inside and all.

the United States does not back up garbage trucks to the ocean and dump plastic in them.

The US has created a race to the bottom for all these countries, they can either let the US use them as slave pits and industrial sewers or they can starve. The US is way more culpable than the developing countries it exploits to keep consumer prices down and corporate profits up.

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These Millennials Started A Business To Rid The World’s Oceans Of Plastic

Andrew Cooper and Alex Schulze, a pair of millennials behind the company 4Ocean, created a business model to help support their effort of ridding the ocean of plastic. In this week’s Sunday Spotlight, NBC’s Kerry Sanders goes underwater with them to see their cleanup firsthand.

This is another example where capitalism is better than socialism for solving this problem.

Tony Chvala, 4Ocean's Chief Operating Officer, discusses his passion for the industry and the future of the company.

Boyan Slat: How we will rid the oceans of plastic (May 2017)

On May 11th 2017, Boyan Slat, Founder and CEO of The Ocean Cleanup, the Dutch foundation developing advanced technologies to rid the oceans of plastic, announced a design breakthrough allowing for the cleanup of half the Great Pacific Garbage Patch in just 5 years.

The main idea behind The Ocean Cleanup is to let the ocean currents do the work. An installation of U-shaped screens channels floating plastic to a central point. The concentrated plastic can then be extracted and shipped to shore for recycling into durable products. The improvements involve the introduction of a mobile, or drifting system. Rather than fixing the floating screens to the seabed at great depths, The Ocean Cleanup will apply sea anchors to ensure the floating screens move slower than the plastic. Rather than one massive barrier, the improved, modular cleanup system consists of a fleet of screens.

Boyan Slat, a 24-year-old pioneer has worked towards this moment, day and night, for five years on end. Today, his 'The Ocean Cleanup' foundation employs eighty people with only one mission: a plastic-free ocean by the year 2050. To get to that point, over one hundred systems will be tug to the centres of the five different gyres. Those places in the oceans where plastic waste accumulates as a result of the ocean current. At the same time, we will have to come up with a solution at the source to avoid plastic waste ending up in the ocean in the first place. For with a plastic consumption of 320 million tonnes a year, something will have to change at the source too.

Plastic bottle deposit scheme could boost recycling

One place ahead of the curve on this is Norway. The country has the world's most effective Deposit Return Scheme for plastic drinks bottles, with 96% returned by consumers for recycling.

Doing something about plastic waste is much more important than attempting to stop climate change.

Dirty Business: what really happens to your plastic recycling

Thousands of tons of plastic scrap collected for recycling from British households have been transported and dumped on sites across the world.

We follow the trail of the UK's plastic waste through the country and around the world. Can Britain cope as the largest importer of our recycling shuts the door?

Why it will take more than basic recycling to cut back on plastic

In the 70 years that plastic has been around, humans have created 9 billion tons of it -- most of which still exists. Are the existing strategies for tackling plastic pollution -- namely reusing and recycling -- really making any difference? Amna Nawaz and producer Lorna Baldwin make stops in three states to take a look at some innovative ideas aimed at reducing plastic waste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCA_knbDlic

China’s decision to buy less recyclable material from the U.S. has prompted major questions about how we handle waste in America. What will we do with our abundance of plastic bottles and pizza boxes, if exporting them is no longer an option? As Paul Solman discovers, some local governments and businesses have devised innovative ways to reuse these items--and to educate consumers.

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That includes the U.S. military and the DoD. There are also similar reports about the effects of global warming and peak oil on the global economy by multinational banks and insurers.