[annatar1914]

The first video is less than 3 minutes, and the other two are about 16 minutes each. That is a total of about 35 minutes, not multiple hours. They just show how stupid she is, and anyone that agrees with her crazy ideas are just as stupid.

Ocasio Stuns CNN With Lack Of Knowledge

This video is less than 4 minutes long.

Socialist Ocasio Cortez

This one in about 13 minutes.

Ocasio Embarrasses Self on Green New Deal

This is about 4 minutes.

She's not a Socialist. It's infuriating how people are led (literally, led...) to believe that she is a Socialist. Socialism is public ownership of the means of economic production in a society. If it isn't that, it isn't Socialism.

[noemon]

Ocasio Stuns CNN With Lack Of Knowledge

This video is about Ocasio stating the obvious: "The President lying about immigrants is a bad thing", there is nothing stunning or stupid about such a statement. There is however stunning stupidity on trying to make a deal out of this. I guess in the end it just shows the hollowness of her detractors.

This video is less than 4 minutes long.

Socialist Ocasio Cortez

This video is a long list of people insulting Ocasio without even bothering to quote her or show any footage of her. The 30 second bit they do actually show is a fake video that they even admit of being fake. It's just some people insulting another person without reason or cause. Yet more hollowness.

This one in about 13 minutes.

Ocasio Embarrasses Self on Green New Deal

This is about 4 minutes.

This is quite embarrassing for Shapiro, he accuses Ocasio for putting the New Green Deal online, he says that the New Green Deal is a bunch of communist bullshit about changing planes for trains, changing US sockets and a whole bunch of other bull. He admits that most of this nonsense came from Conservatives putting out fake documents online and then finally he shows Ocasio's tweet in which she says: "All these nonsense are in fact nonsense, the New Green Deal we put out can be found in Congress in this online address". Despite that he is giving the actual document and puts her tweet out there for people to see, he does not actually address the original document at all but instead rants like a troll. Yet more and more hollowness.

All these are nothing more than cheap character assassination's composed purely of ad-homs.

[SpecialOlympian]

Good thing I didn't waste all those hours watching stupid videos. Thank you for your contribution to the thread, Hindsite.

Maybe I will take Hindsite's advice and watch Fox News to educate myself. Maybe if I watch enough of it I can be as smart as the president.

[Hindsite]

Good thing I didn't waste all those hours watching stupid videos. Thank you for your contribution to the thread, Hindsite.

Maybe I will take Hindsite's advice and watch Fox News to educate myself. Maybe if I watch enough of it I can be as smart as the president.

I don't think it is possible for noemon and you to be as smart as President Trump and myself, but watching FOX News could help.

Perhaps you will like this one:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: Economic Genius

[noemon]

I don't think it is possible for noemon and you to be as smart as President Trump and myself, but watching FOX News could help.

Hindsite, I hope you like this one:

In your video, Ocasio says that about 40% of Americans make less than 20,000 a year, the author "catches" her by proving that the number is 37%. Ocasio says that the military budget got an "increase" of budget to 700 billion a year, the guy "catches" her by confirming that the budget is indeed 700 billion a year.

[SpecialOlympian]

Conservatives are so angry at Ocasio-Cortez, a freshman Representative who has served for less than a year, that there is apparently now a cottage of industry based entirely on repeating what she says but very angrily.

Conservatism is a mental illness lol.

[JohnRawls]

Conservatives are so angry at Ocasio-Cortez, a freshman Representative who has served for less than a year, that there is apparently now a cottage of industry based entirely on repeating what she says but very angrily.

Conservatism is a mental illness lol.

There is a reason for that SO. They see her as a threat actually. It has a lot to do with the shifting electorat balance right now. Currently the electorate of both parties are going through a monumental change. Probably in 5-10 years African Americans will be in the republican camp if the course remains the same. While latinos will lean democrat although it is uncertain. Business will go to the democratic side along with may be National security crowd.

[SpecialOlympian]

Probably in 5-10 years African Americans will be in the republican camp if the course remains the same.

Despite the hardon rightwingers have for this delusion, exemplified by an astroturfed movement called #walkaway run by white people pretending to be black, it will not happen because the GOP is the party of racism.

If anything, in 5-10 years the GOP will just be openly using terms like white supremacy. Which they already are with Representative Steve King.

[JohnRawls]

Despite the hardon rightwingers have for this delusion, exemplified by an astroturfed movement called #walkaway run by white people pretending to be black, it will not happen because the GOP is the party of racism.

If anything, in 5-10 years the GOP will just be openly using terms like white supremacy. Which they already are with Representative Steve King.

Last time you said something like this to me, you refused to aknowledge that Trump has a chance to win the election. I told you that his chances are pretty okay and at the time of the election he was very lucky to push his chances over the top.

Now, i do not know if you will listen but lets give it a try.

So first of all, i work under the assumption that Trump is not an abnormality of some sort. Trump-esque redefinement of the republican party is here to stay. Those are pretty big assumptions but there are some factors to indicate that. Those factors are 1) Country is divided because both parties lost their track 2) Last election cycle around 40 moderate republicans basically retired or didn't want to continue with politics. Trumpness has de facto taken over the party just many people do not want to admit it yet.

Now what i mean by country is divided and lost their track? Both parties are having major issues either in cohesiveness or because they can't even agree inside themselves on what to do or just because they think they won't be able to win anything after 10 years. That is why the country is in such a partisan situation. Nobody really knows what they want so can't get support for it in mass.

Lets examine the democrats(Defaults before Trump). Who exactly vote for democrats:
1) African Americans
2) Gay
3) Greens
4) Unions
5) Pro-choice
6) Socialistic Bernie Sanders types.
7) Young ones (younger than 25ish-30ish)
Women (i guess unmarried women would be the correct term here)


Who vote for Republicans(Defaults before Trump):
1) Business
2) Fiscalists
3) National Security crowd
4) Evangelicals
5) Populists (Racists are here SO, so don't bother trolling)
6) Pro-Lifers

Catholics and Hispanics are swing voters.

Now i am not sure why the republican party shifted with Trump. May be technology developed, may be they think that they are loosing demographic wise and it won't be enough, may be because new finance laws appeared in 2016 that are screwing up the business side and now they want to kick them out and compensate, may be everything together.

I have an idea why Democrats are shifting and having issues though. The problem with the democratic backbone is that different groups want different things. Classical democratic backbone is larger than republican backbone but disunited. African Americans and Gays have very different outlook on life. African americans are more socially conservative and economically pro-Big government while gays are more economically and socially libertarian(Don't interfere with my social life and don't tax me to death). Greens and the Unions have very different opinions on industrial policy that can not be merged together. Socialists and younger crowd have different view on free education and free healthcare compared to unmarried women. So the last 2 democratic winning presidents are those that actually won because of their Charisma(Clinton and Obama). It is very hard for a Democratic candidate to run on issues and actually win because you will disunite your party in the process. (I am not saying they don't have any programs, i am just saying that they run on Charisma more than a program in itself)

Now having said that, things moved with Trump being elected and all of the sudden the groupings changed. Trump reshaped the electoral map for the Republican party. It is not done fully but i can see to a degree where he wants to go or just the wind is taking him.

So basically right now Trump is aiming for:
1) Pro-Lifers
2) Evangelicals
3) Populists
4) Catholics
5) Unions
6) Hispanics to a large degree.

All of the groups above besides hispanics(hard to pin them down, they are mostly in the middle of it, like dead centre) are located somewhere in the social conservative/economicly pro-government spectrum. But there is also 1 more group that is located there: African Americans. So although Trump is not targeting them, over the next 6-10 if this keeps on track and Republicans manage to beat their Racism to a degree, African Americans will become part of the Republican backbone. Unions love Trumps anti-immigration rhetoric. It already swinging them to the Republican side to a great degree.

While on the other hand what is left to the democrats? What slice of the pie will they get. Probably something like:
1) Socialists
2) Greens
3) Young ones
4) Pro-choice
5) Single Women
6) Gay
7) Business/Fiscalists
National Security crowd.

Most of the ones above are more socially libertarian but still are spread out very heavily on the Pro-Business or Pro-Government/Big government spectrum. One thing i can say is that Hispanics will probably remain swing voters and Business/Fiscalists might remain swing voters. But again, for business there is no ally besides the democrats. Same can be said about National Security crowd. Trumpesque isolationism/anti-immigration policies is something that business and national security types fucking hate.

Well something along those lines SO.

[SpecialOlympian]

Rawls I appreciate the effort you put into your post but Trump received 8% of the black vote overall, with roughly 88% of black men voting for Hillary and 94% of black women voting for Hillary.

The idea that the GOP, the white power party, will make a sizable dent in that within the next decade, let alone our lifetime, is ridiculous. They have decades of racist inertia to overcome.

What exactly do you think the GOP offers black voters or will offer black voters as an incentive to vote for them in the future? The GOP purposely gerrymanders their votes and does their best to keep them from voting at the state level for a reason.

[Steve_American]

@JohnRawls, you have some interesting thoughts.
Thomas Frank points out that the Repuds have the 1%, and certain single issue groups [pro-lifers, racists, etc.]
And, Dem have the 99% down to 80% of earners, plus some special interest groups [blacks, pro-choicers, etc.]
But, this leaves all other white voters in the under 80% earners group with no Party that even listens to them about how they are hurting. Trump pulled just enough of these voters to him with him lies that he would help them.

[Unthinking Majority]

Ocasio-Cortez is a very likeable person. She seems like someone I'd like to be friends with. She's kind, warm, personable, empathetic, well-meaning, and seems ethical in regards to her political dealings. Her problem is that, like many progressive young liberals, she is very naive and far too overly idealistic beyond reason.

She also has shown quite a few times that she doesn't have a firm grasp of the nitty gritty details and numbers on what she's proposing. Her grand dream of completely transforming the American economy and her fundamental misunderstandings of the gargantuan economics of what it would take to achieve it should frighten us all.

She wants to make the world a better place, to stop human-caused climate change, to help the working poor, to get everyone good health care etc. Those are admirable intentions, but if you want to change the world you better damn well know exactly what you're talking about or else the world can easily change in ways you don't intend or want.

[Steve_American]

I think that most American can agree the America had its best economy in the 50s and 60s, into the early 70s.
[Not so much the best on social issues though. So, any going back needs to keep the new social changes but focus on economics.]
Reagan started a new economy. He called it Supply Side Economics, but it is now called Neo-liberal economics.
Economist Mark Blyth says that stagflation was a combination of inflation caused by OPED raising the oil price* several times and the rich going on a sort of strike to not invest their profits in new production because they saw that wages were rising too much and so they could not get the rate of return on investment that they wanted.
I think that Blyth is saying that the stagflation hurt everyone enough that Reagan won and Neo-liberal economics was slowly implemented. NAFA was a turning point. Blyth says that after it business could cow union leaders at the wage bargaining table with a threat to move to Mexico.
This process led to a total swing away from Union power to 1% power.
My point is maybe in the 70s Unions had too much power but the swing went so far that it is causing terminal damage to the US economy
now. The 1% have all the power and run rough shod over all before them. Anyone who is not in that class is a fool to hope to be allowed to make a billion so they can be included in that group.

Therefore, assuming that AGW is going to be very bad, the US has very few years to save civilization by getting all those the Dems ignore to join the Greens or take control of the Dems and elect in a landslide a Progressive majority in all branches of the US Gov.
And then for this Progressive movement to make massive changes. To include a Green New Deal using new huge taxes on the 1% and massive deficit spending based on the MMT economic theory. Don't raise taxes on the 80% to 99% or those under 80% of earners. Maybe even offer to cut taxes on the 80% to 99% group to buy their votes.
Remember that since 1981 Repuds have spent like deficits don't matter when they were in the White House. So, they seem to know that MMT is correct. Since 1981 only Dems have been fiscal hawks while being in the WH. So, they don't seem to know that MMT is correct.
In any case, every single prediction that gov. deficit spending is going to cause either inflation or a crash have failed to come true for 35 plus years now. When are you-all going to wake up to this fact?


.* . This was due to the 73-Arab-Israeli War and Nixon taking the dollar off the gold standard [Arabs were hooked on gold then].

[Hindsite]

Hindsite, I hope you like this one:

In your video, Ocasio says that about 40% of Americans make less than 20,000 a year, the author "catches" her by proving that the number is 37%. Ocasio says that the military budget got an "increase" of budget to 700 billion a year, the guy "catches" her by confirming that the budget is indeed 700 billion a year.

The DNA test proves that Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian, especially not Cherokee Indian. It proves she has no North American Indian blood. I would bet that Ocasio-Cortez is more American Indian than Warren.

[Hong Wu]

The US Senate is having a vote on the Green New Deal. Democrats are mad, calling it a ploy and so-on. Like, why did they publish it if they're embarrassed by it? Lack of foresight at least.

[SpecialOlympian]

Lmao the president is having a senior moment on live television. He called a national press conference to bitch about how badly the Democrats owned him and now he's just going down a list of right wing talk show hosts he likes.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Ocasio-Cortez is a very likeable person. She seems like someone I'd like to be friends with. She's kind, warm, personable, empathetic, well-meaning, and seems ethical in regards to her political dealings. Her problem is that, like many progressive young liberals, she is very naive and far too overly idealistic beyond reason.

She also has shown quite a few times that she doesn't have a firm grasp of the nitty gritty details and numbers on what she's proposing. Her grand dream of completely transforming the American economy and her fundamental misunderstandings of the gargantuan economics of what it would take to achieve it should frighten us all.

She wants to make the world a better place, to stop human-caused climate change, to help the working poor, to get everyone good health care etc. Those are admirable intentions, but if you want to change the world you better damn well know exactly what you're talking about or else the world can easily change in ways you don't intend or want.

She may have good intentions but IMO she is stupid and will fail because she have no idea how to implement those ideas
she want america to be more socialist which is bad because everything socialism touches becomes shit
the evidence for that are everywhere the majority democrat socialist California is a shithole
cities which have socialist democrats in charge are doing worse economically than republican cities

[SpecialOlympian]

She may have good intentions but IMO she is stupid and will fail because she have no idea how to implement those ideas
she want america to be more socialist which is bad because everything socialism touches becomes shit
the evidence for that are everywhere the majority democrat socialist California is a shithole
cities which have socialist democrats in charge are doing worse economically than republican cities

I love a guy whose grasp on formatting and grammar is so flimsy that, by his own logic, he should be deported calling anyone stupid.

Also if California were a country it would be the 5th largest GDP in the world. Sounds like we're doing pretty well!

[Zionist Nationalist]

I love a guy whose grasp on formatting and grammar is so flimsy that, by his own logic, he should be deported calling anyone stupid.

Also if California were a country it would be the 5th largest GDP in the world. Sounds like we're doing pretty well!

Its also one of the three states with highest poverty rates in the US

[SpecialOlympian]

In total numbers, yes, because it's a state with 51 million people. Per capita, no.

As a resident of the shithole loser country Israel, ranked 50th in GDP behind Ireland, I don't expect you to have the education necessary to understand these things. I mean, your country is so backward that your economy is dwarfed by Europe's tax evasion capital. But I am glad that you are unable to immigrate here and bring your savage and backward ways to glorious America.

Please stay in the Middle East along with all of the other Arabs, TYIA.

Also lmfao: