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By Suntzu
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XogGyux wrote:I personally would not make the deal of wall for DACA as the wall is plain stupid and should not be part of any deal no matter how juicy is the other end.
THat being said, this was a sweet deal from the trump's negotiating position. He gets his wall, he does not give away anything. DACA people are never going to be deported. Its simply not going to happen. This should have been a win-win. Enfranchise a few million people that will never be deported, give them a chance to make a life of their own, collect taxes from them, not appear like a douche so they don't vote against you next time...
But let's face it, this is all about xenophobia and racism so trump cannot get his wall while allowing immigrants to stay here... that would defeat the whole sentiment behind the wall which is to repudiate immigrants and in particular Latinos.


Why shouldn't Mexicans have a say in the way the U.S. is run? We don't have enough foreign born on welfare. Congress has the power to override Trump's veto . . . but so far Congress hasn't done a damned thing. :lol:
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By One Degree
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Drlee wrote:So much to reply to....

The speech was horrible. What was fun was that Fox News, Trump's source of intelligence, slammed the shit out of him for it. They just exposed his lies but my favorite one was this: There is less crime in the undocumented alien population than in the population at large.

Then we have OD shouting from the shallow end of the pool. The abbreviated version:

Bi Blasio is not "giving free health care to illegals". He is making a fiscally sound decision. He is opening city owned outpatient clinics to all uninsured people. Many of them may be undocumented*. What is happening now is that they are going to emergency rooms as costing far more than it would cost to funnel them to outpatient clinics. Fiscal responsibility used to be the rallying cry for conservatives. No longer.

It is absolutely preposterous to believe that people would be lured to America because they could get their ingrown toenail cut at government expense. Only a fool would believe such things.

Then there is the laughable notion that an unfenced border would allow terrorists in. This is the biggest joke of all. Stupid people even might believe it too. Might hell. They do believe it. Terrorists have money and training. They can enter legally anytime they like. Why would they risk being caught by the border patrol when they can come in first class and stay at the Ritz?

Fox news pointed out that since 1980 the immigrant population of the US has grown 118% and the crime rate has fallen 36%.

Fox News confirmed that Trump lied as usual. The truth is: "The number of people arrested on suspicion of attempting to cross the border illegally hit a historic low in 2017, and illegal-border-crossing arrests have declined drastically from historic highs."

OD maintained that undocumented* aliens would be lured here by welfare benefits which is just stupid.

*I use the term undocumented aliens as does the federal government. Why? Because one could illegally enter the country but be determined to be legally here. Asylum seekers do it all of the time.


You are misattributing comments to me again that others said. Saying something is ‘stupid’ without any reason for saying so is ‘stupid’.
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By XogGyux
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Suntzu wrote:Why shouldn't Mexicans have a say in the way the U.S. is run? We don't have enough foreign born on welfare. Congress has the power to override Trump's veto . . . but so far Congress hasn't done a damned thing. :lol:

They are not Mexicans, they are people.
Exactly like I said. It has nothing to do with security, it has all to do with racism/xenophobia.
Don't you realize they already are taking advantage of our system? Don't you realize that when one of these undocumented people show up to the ER nobody fking gives a crap about their legal status and they could very well rack up a bill for 1 million dollars in just a few months? Guess what... in all countries, the most disenfranchised, poor, ostracized a population is, the sicker it tends to be.
And if "forcing" you through their voting agenda is what bothers you... make it harder for them to become full citizens. Give them a green card and put a couple barriers (5-10 years, continuous employment for 3y+, no criminal record, English test and minimum earnings of at least 2x poverty line). This BTW would further increase their contribution to society AND improve our economy while making us safer.
But let's drop the charade. we all know the real reason for the wall. Keep those "rapists Mexican out" wink wink.
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By XogGyux
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Suntzu wrote:You need to visit Mexico to appreciate their culture.

Down here it is probably 90% Mexican and it shows. :roll:

I have. I have also lived in Chicago inside a Mexican neighborhood where basically everyone was Mexican. I have nothing against their culture. Nice cool people. I'd take a Mexican over a newyorker every day of the week.
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By Suntzu
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Libertarian353 wrote:Boy, I visit Mexico and I appreciate their culture. A shame we steel their land and call them trespassers.


We didn't steal shit, we took it . . . Santa Anna actually sold it to us. :p

Trump is coming for a visit tomorrow. Got the Secret Service set up on my little airport. I flew over and waved.
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Suntzu wrote:You need to visit Mexico to appreciate their culture.

Down here it is probably 90% Mexican and it shows. :roll:


I will do a small play where Suntzu lives and how he hates Mexicans messing up his cultured existence:

Suntzu:
Hey, you Mexies, you bring down my property values, you beaners, spics, low lives....get out of my land....

Mexican Number 1:

Mira este estupido buey hablando pura mierda! A que cree que sus pedos no huelen...pero el burro ni entiende nada y se cree el que mas mea...lo que piensa es pura mierda!

Suntzu:

Don't you be speakin' that wetback beaner talk around here. This is 'murica. And I am an American. Got to speak American around me.....hee haw.

Mexican number 2 (opens up his cell phone and shows him what he thinks of the wall....and Trump saying shit about Mexico paying for it).

Mexican number 2:

Look here Gringo tonto, what AMLO said is a big "No" to your pedoso apestoso presidente Trompetista.....here is the video from former Presidente Fox....he outfoxed your wall already here is the clip you zangano....







Suntzu then says, "Dont you talk about my president Donald great pussy grabber that way!!"

Mexican number 1:

He is wasting his own taxpayers money and campaign contributers money to cover up the pussy grab...from the Stormy Daniels and McDougall whatever.....he needs to save money and stop chingando these women and losing money.....doesn't la Melania have enough of a panocha for his mushroom chile pepper eh?

END OF SCENES..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By jimjam
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Maybe all this wall obsessing makes Trump tired. He certainly seemed low-energy during his Oval Office address. If you watched the address — and really, you could have, it was only about as long as it takes to microwave popcorn — you saw a 72-year-old guy squinting at the teleprompter and making rather alarming breathing sounds while reading a speech about how we need a wall to protect women who are “sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.”

This is not a man who should wrap his arguments around the idea of protecting women from sexual assault. But also, gee, he sounded like Uncle Fred who you haven’t seen for a while and suddenly he shows up for Thanksgiving with weird colored hair and vacant eyes and he’s talking into his mashed potatoes.
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By Suntzu
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Tainari88 wrote:I will do a small play where Suntzu lives and how he hates Mexicans messing up his cultured existence:

Suntzu:
Hey, you Mexies, you bring down my property values, you beaners, spics, low lives....get out of my land....

Mexican Number 1:

Mira este estupido buey hablando pura mierda! A que cree que sus pedos no huelen...pero el burro ni entiende nada y se cree el que mas mea...lo que piensa es pura mierda!

Suntzu:

Don't you be speakin' that wetback beaner talk around here. This is 'murica. And I am an American. Got to speak American around me.....hee haw.

Mexican number 2 (opens up his cell phone and shows him what he thinks of the wall....and Trump saying shit about Mexico paying for it).

Mexican number 2:

Look here Gringo tonto, what AMLO said is a big "No" to your pedoso apestoso presidente Trompetista.....here is the video from former Presidente Fox....he outfoxed your wall already here is the clip you zangano....







Suntzu then says, "Dont you talk about my president Donald great pussy grabber that way!!"

Mexican number 1:

He is wasting his own taxpayers money and campaign contributers money to cover up the pussy grab...from the Stormy Daniels and McDougall whatever.....he needs to save money and stop chingando these women and losing money.....doesn't la Melania have enough of a panocha for his mushroom chile pepper eh?

END OF SCENES..... :lol: :lol: :lol:


All Donald has to do is shut off the gasoline supply or remittances to Mexico and Mexico will go tit up and their president knows it. 8)
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jimjam wrote:Maybe all this wall obsessing makes Trump tired. He certainly seemed low-energy during his Oval Office address. If you watched the address — and really, you could have, it was only about as long as it takes to microwave popcorn — you saw a 72-year-old guy squinting at the teleprompter and making rather alarming breathing sounds while reading a speech about how we need a wall to protect women who are “sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.”

This is not a man who should wrap his arguments around the idea of protecting women from sexual assault. But also, gee, he sounded like Uncle Fred who you haven’t seen for a while and suddenly he shows up for Thanksgiving with weird colored hair and vacant eyes and he’s talking into his mashed potatoes.


Jimjam, does anyone buy that 45 is compassionate and empathetic about the plight of the children and the women and he held the hand of the victims of crime of these raping people from the South of the Border. Because there are no white men rapists, murderers, child molesters and bad hombres. All of the criminals are MEXICANS and BLACK Predators.....because lily white men that surround his fat ass never get indicted, or convicted of felonies.....like Monafort, and Cohen and Kelly and so on are all INNOCENT WHITE MEN that never commit crimes....it is the darkies who do it only!!

No one who knows that pathological liar who just hired 17 new lawyers today for the White House, to field his defense from Mueller, whom he fears might find out what kind of shit he plans behind closed doors, and expose it to the public. He might have to fight about saving his own ass legally for a long time. He needs to distract and emphasize he has a wall. I believe that asshole of a president probably did not even think he would get elected and did not believe he would have to even deliver on his fake promise. Now he is stuck with his base who will hold him accountable. They want to be secure from the Mexicans and Central Americans who are not clean people...animals, low lives....kill them all....that is how stupid these racist idiots who voted for that man are Jimjam. Nobody home there.

He needs this wall. Lol. No one believes this shit Jimjam. More people in the ratings listened to Pelosi and Schumer's rebuttal than the Donald fat ass breathing into the microphone. Lol. Nothing new there.....telling stories of mean, disgusting criminal men and irresponsible people trying to come in to the nation that suffers the pollution of dark skinned hordes.

Lol.

How stupid are these people believing this shit? If they love that wall just open their damn wallets and give their $80 dollars and up donations to some Trump supporter who did a Crowdfunding or Gofunding site to build the wall. They gave up on Mexico paying for it. Then they will give up on Pelosi paying for it and congress. Then they won't dig into Donald's own bank account for it.....so now? Let his supporters dig through their tax returns and return the tax returns to Donald for his wall. BE A PATRIOT you fools...give up your money to protect yourselves from the rapists.....

Pendejos....extraordinaire his followers are. :lol:
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By Tainari88
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Suntzu wrote:All Donald has to do is shut off the gasoline supply or remittances to Mexico and Mexico will go tit up and their president knows it. 8)


Nah you Suntzu. PEMEX is a nationalized fuel company. They will be selling fuel to China and others. The USA does almost 1 trillion dollars in business with Mexico. If they cut off that stuff? The USA will go into a deep depression. Plus the PRC wants something like that to happen. Fill in the void left by the USA. They have been busting moves all over the place for that reason alone in Mexico.

AMLO doesn't really cave to pressure from Donald man. He sees him as a liability and has been working the possibilities of other ways of dealing with that man. Lol.

The problem is you don't know much about international politics. You only know how to be racist Suntzu. :lol:
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By Drlee
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All Donald has to do is shut off the gasoline supply or remittances to Mexico and Mexico will go tit up and their president knows it


So tell me this Trump supporters. We do an enormous amount of business with Mexico. We need them and they need us. Why is an almost insignificant immigration flow from Mexico worth jeopardizing a great trade relationship? I mean what the fuck are you people thinking?

I keep hammering on how unintelligent these decisions are. There is no explanation for these suicidal actions on the part of the US. Well two come to mind. Trump is a Russian tool and traitor. Or. He is playing to a small group of Americans who he feels are his base and who are, quite simply, not smart enough to see how unnecessarily damaging he is.

I don't care if you think that Hillary is a crook or not. She would have been far less damaging to our country. Trump had seriously damaged the US and we may or may not recover. Our hope is that the unintelligent drones who support Trump are overwhelmed in 2020. We are going to need 8 years of moderate democrats to repair the damage. If we ever do.
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Tainari88 wrote:No one who knows that pathological liar who just hired 17 new lawyers today for the White House, to field his defense from Mueller, whom he fears might find out what kind of shit he plans behind closed doors, and expose it to the public. He might have to fight about saving his own ass legally for a long time. He needs to distract and emphasize he has a wall. I believe that asshole of a president probably did not even think he would get elected and did not believe he would have to even deliver on his fake promise. Now he is stuck with his base who will hold him accountable. They want to be secure from the Mexicans and Central Americans who are not clean people...animals, low lives....kill them all....that is how stupid these racist idiots who voted for that man are Jimjam. Nobody home there.

He needs this wall. Lol. No one believes this shit Jimjam. More people in the ratings listened to Pelosi and Schumer's rebuttal than the Donald fat ass breathing into the microphone. Lol. Nothing new there.....telling stories of mean, disgusting criminal men and irresponsible people trying to come in to the nation that suffers the pollution of dark skinned hordes.

Lol.

How stupid are these people believing this shit?

All you socialists are liars. I bet you believed Obama when he promoted his healthcare plan by saying, "If you like your doctor, you can keep him and if you like your current healthcare plan you can keep it." Republicans were smart enough to know those were damn lies. And it only takes a little redneck common sense to see through all your socialist lies. Praise the Lord.

Drlee wrote:I don't care if you think that Hillary is a crook or not. She would have been far less damaging to our country. Trump had seriously damaged the US and we may or may not recover.

It looks to me that your hatred of Trump has driven you crazy just as it has done most of the Democrats. I only know of one Democrat that makes any sense at all now.

Dueling Border Speeches: Trump WON; Pelosi and Schumer LOST

At 9:00 p.m. Tuesday, the president delivered his much anticipated speech from the Oval Office about the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border of the United States.

A few minutes later, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, both of whom favor open borders to keep future Democrat voters flowing into the country, answered him. Trump discussed facts and data about illegal aliens and the drugs and crime they cause.

Pelosi and Schumer blamed Trump for the government shutdown that began after they refused to fund a wall for border security.

“Every day, customs and border patrol agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country,” he accurately said. “We are out of space to hold them, and we have no way to promptly return them back home to their country.”

Illegal immigration, he said, is bad for American blacks and American Hispanics job-wise. But beyond that, “Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl.

Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border. More Americans will die from drugs this year than were killed in the entire Vietnam War.”

Trump detailed the data on border arrests: “In the last two years, ICE officers made 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records, including those charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes, and 4,000 violent killings. Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country.”

And “last month, 20,000 migrant children were illegally brought into the united States.” Ruthless smugglers use them as pawns, and 33 percent of illegal-alien women are sexually assaulted on their way to the border..

Trump noted the obvious: “This barrier is absolutely critical to border security. It’s also what our professionals at the border want and need. This is just common sense. The border wall would very quickly pay for itself. The cost of illegal drugs exceeds $500 billion a year — vastly more than the $5.7 billion we have requested from Congress.”

And if walls don’t work, he asked, “why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.”

Last, Trump discussed illegal-alien murderers, including the twice-deported illegal, protected by California’s sanctuary law, who murdered a good cop, police allege, the day after Christmas.

Then he offered off a list of the crimes committed by the savages who sneak across the border: the illegal alien in California who raped and beat to death an Air Force veteran with a hammer, the illegal alien who beheaded and dismembered someone in Georgia, the MS-13 gang members, “unaccompanied minors” when they cross the border, who stabbed and beat a 16-year-old girl in Maryland.

The two open-borders Democrats, Pelosi and Schumer, didn’t argue facts. They didn’t mention the Americans who lose jobs to border-jumping illegals. They didn’t mention the Americans who lose their lives to the sanctuary policies their state and local party cohort endorses. They didn’t mention the drugs.

They complained that Trump wouldn’t sign leftist legislation to keep the borders open and fund pet projects. “Women and children at the border are not a security threat,” pelosi misleadingly said, without divulging the truth that most illegals are single young men. Leftist Schumer was up next. He also called a border wall “ineffective” and “unnecessary,” and accused Trump of causing the shutdown.

Then Schumer lied. “Tonight,” the open-borders Democrat said, “President Trump has appealed to fear, not facts.” Trump offered many facts. They offered none.

And then Schumer took up the cause of the put-upon federal bureaucrat.“Federal workers are about to miss a paycheck. Some families can’t get a mortgage to buy a new home.”

A lot of Americans miss paychecks when illegal aliens take jobs, but at any rate Schumer accused Trump of “manufacturing a crisis,” and begged him to “re-open the government and continue to work through disagreements about policy. We can secure our border without an expensive, ineffective wall. And we can welcome legal immigrants and refugees without compromising safety and security.”

The fact is that the President didn’t talk about "legal" immigrants and "real" refugees, at all. Apparently Schumer refuses to acknowledge the difference. Trump won that debate hands down.
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Drlee wrote:Why is an almost insignificant immigration flow from Mexico worth jeopardizing a great trade relationship? I mean what the fuck are you people thinking?

We're thinking more money for rich globalists isn't that important to us. In fact, it's kind of fun watching them freak out.

Drlee wrote:I keep hammering on how unintelligent these decisions are.

Yes. You do. What's good for the wealthy isn't necessarily good for the working class.

Drlee wrote:There is no explanation for these suicidal actions on the part of the US. Well two come to mind.

Instead of contradicting yourself in the very next sentence, why don't you just rewrite your sentence?

Drlee wrote:Trump is a Russian tool and traitor.

:roll: I can't believe you folks are still on about that. Why would Vladimir Putin be better served with a wall on the Mexican border?

Drlee wrote:He is playing to a small group of Americans who he feels are his base and who are, quite simply, not smart enough to see how unnecessarily damaging he is.

Maybe we are smart enough, and we like seeing him damage the interests of the motherfuckers who bailed themselves out at taxpayers expense and then went on a national crusade to call those opposed to them "racist" and other unflattering connotations. If you don't see the Tea Party, it doesn't exist Drlee. This is all in your imagination. Trump isn't really president. It's all just a bad dream.

Drlee wrote:I don't care if you think that Hillary is a crook or not. She would have been far less damaging to our country.

Well, obviously you aren't a Pennsylvania or West Virginia coal miner or an Ohio or Michigan manufacturing worker. Many of us think the "damage" Trump is doing is just wonderful. We like it very much. We hope the establishment never recovers. We do not want to be ruled by them anymore.
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By One Degree
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@Drlee and the other delusional ‘liberals’ above...

“Illegal immigration is insignificant.”
“We will destroy your white patriarchy through increased numbers of minorities.”

What is really ironic is Blacks believe this and no demographic projections show them benefitting.
All lies all the time.
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By jimjam
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blackjack21 wrote:it's kind of fun watching them freak out.


Not nearly as much fun as it is watching the delusional drama queen in the white house freak out.

One Degree wrote: and the other delusional ‘liberals’ above...


and ……. my favorite :lol: :

Hindsite wrote:All you socialists are liars
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By jimjam
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Trump has managed to get himself completely boxed in by Nancy and his own temper tantrums. His only way to stem his self inflicted wounds at this point seem to be reduced to two options: 1) declare a "national emergency" or 2) initiate an invasion of the Netherlands.

"National emergency" :lol: ? The number of people illegally crossing the border is far lower than it was a generation ago. The recent phenomenon of caravans of Central American migrants largely consists of people who present themselves to border officials and request asylum.

And despite repeated false claims by Trump officials that terrorists are infiltrating the country across the border, including by the thousands, no one in the modern era who committed a terrorist attack on domestic soil has turned out to have sneaked in via Mexico.

jimjam has concluded that the most viable way out of the Trump Shutdown mess would be an invasion of the Netherlands …………..

Welcome to "Donald In Wonderland" ……..
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By One Degree
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Do you have a fence? Our country is covered with fencing to restrict access. It works. Why should our country not do the same thing when there is no question people are crossing the border illegally?
Why shouldn’t we build a fence? Please don’t give me that bullshit about $5 billion being a lot of money to our government.

Edit: Last year we spent...
$100 billion on sports.
$55 billion on bars and restaurants.
$7 billion on fencing.
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