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I completely agree with you.

Though I may not live to see it through completely, that is why we Goldwater/Rockefeller Republicans are not on the wane. We are on the ascendant. If we are not, the party will just disappear.

Conservatism in the mid 21st century will look like social libertarian and fiscal conservative. Or it will die and be replaced with something just left of where the democratic party is at this moment. This moment. Not five years from now.

AOC is a flash in the pan but her ideas are not. She is getting way too much press and that is a republican meme. They want to run against her. Don't forget that. The establishment democrats are still firmly in charge. Witness the Speaker of the House.
#14987478
Rancid wrote:There are claims that millenials aren't as left wing as the media might protray them. For example, I recall reading a repo saying that millenials are more pro-gun than gen-x.



They are not super holy rollers and are not KKK clan members either Rancid. Most millenials want a decent paying job and being able to buy their own homes and not be in debt to student loans and making bad salaries forever.

And the Republican trickle down economics is not going to change the majority of their generations' circumstances.

The young don't see the word 'socialist' and think of some Cold War era bullshit. They think of some EU style benefits like Minimum Monthly Basic Income, free health care, and some safety net programs they want to have in case their jobs continue without much longevity like most of them have experienced.

You are a good example you stated in a previous post Rancid that you are only loyal to your current employer up to the point of they are signing your paychecks. That is the reality for most younger adult workers with a decent profession.
#14987484
Tainari88 wrote:2)The corrupt take over and we have a very authoritarian de facto dictatorship and conflict between the far right elitists and corporate masters who coalesce to keep power and mass riots in the streets, some economic crisis to accompany that as well.

This is actually happening in places like France; yet, you people seem to be very quiet about the Gilets Jaunes. A protester had his fingers blown off trying to bat away a grenade launched at him. Mainstream media in the United States is virtually silent, and so are the supposedly pro-working class posters here at PoFo. Additionally, auto workers are striking in Mexico. Again, most of the pro-left posters here do not seem to show much enthusiasm for them; yet, Trump supporters generally do support them.

Tainari88 wrote:Those are the alternatives. And it has to come down one of three ways. Which way? Your guess is as good as mine! ;)

I think AOCs popularity effectively ensures Trump getting re-elected--maybe even in a landslide.

Nancy Pelosi just threw some serious shade at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's 'Green New Deal'

Trump's approval rating among likely voters soars to his best in 23 MONTHS at 52 per cent after State of the Union address as border-wall shutdown talks intensify


Tainari88 wrote:People are not going to continue to decline in income, power and lack of change forever. Just not going to happen.

You are right about that, but what you are missing is that is why they voted for Trump. The dynamics go beyond the United States. The US elected a president with no prior political experience. The UK voted to leave the EU. France has had 3 straight months of protests with the police putting out peoples eyes and blowing their hands off. Mexican auto workers are on strike. Right-leaning parties are ascendant throughout Europe. All of this is because the establishment parties are hostile to white males.

Drlee wrote:Though I may not live to see it through completely, that is why we Goldwater/Rockefeller Republicans are not on the wane. We are on the ascendant. If we are not, the party will just disappear.

Except neither his happening.

Drlee wrote:Conservatism in the mid 21st century will look like social libertarian and fiscal conservative.

That's what the Rockefellers wanted. It's not panning out that way, principally because the establishment is now openly hostile to men, particularly white men.
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Rancid wrote:There are claims that millenials aren't as left wing as the media might protray them. For example, I recall reading a repo saying that millenials are more pro-gun than gen-x.

I'm a leftie, and I'm very much pro-gun. :eh:
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Drlee wrote:The problem is that the politicians who would have to change the rule are completely owned by the money pharma gives them. Our tradition of bribes under the guise of campaign contributions by corporations is very sad.


I think money in politics will always be an issue, but it's being exacerbated by the political system in the US. I don't remember anyone proposing to make representation more proportional, or to abolish the presidency, or to introduce a national referendum, to give some examples. But maybe I'm not following American politics closely enough. On the other hand, I think if people want something strongly enough, they will get their way, regardless of how flawed the electoral system is (within limits).

Drlee wrote:Perhaps the US is funding drug research for the whole world and some might say that is OK but not me. We have a law precluding the federal government from negotiating drug prices. That is criminal.


I think Americans overpaying for drugs is more likely to increase the profit margins of pharmaceutical companies than to increase R&D spending or lower prices in Europe.

blackjack21 wrote:This is actually happening in places like France; yet, you people seem to be very quiet about the Gilets Jaunes. A protester had his fingers blown off trying to bat away a grenade launched at him.


I wonder how American authorities would react to occasionally violent protests, attended by several 100k people, happening every weekend for 3 months. Not to excuse the French government, just wondering.
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Rugoz wrote:I wonder how American authorities would react to occasionally violent protests, attended by several 100k people, happening every weekend for 3 months. Not to excuse the French government, just wondering.

We've seen protesters torching cars here too. We just haven't seen three straight months of it.

Anti-Trump protesters light limo on fire in D.C. as cops collar 217 people during raucous demonstration

As one who thinks the establishment is fucked up, I appreciate the people of France protesting and the irony of the "people's house" having to be barricaded off from the people themselves.
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Potemkin wrote:I'm a leftie, and I'm very much pro-gun. :eh:


American left/liberal is very anti-gun. The media likes to paint millennial as strongly American liberal.

I agree that only true communists support gun rights.

HOw else are you going to line up dirty capitalist pigs against the wall and shoot them?
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Rancid wrote:American left/liberal is very anti-gun. The media likes to paint millennial as strongly American liberal.

I agree that only true communists support gun rights.

HOw else are you going to line up dirty capitalist pigs against the wall and shoot them?

Precisely, @Rancid! :D
#14987562
@blackjack21 , you said in reply to me that;


Agreed. We also understand the more cynical side of deep state politics.


One of those cases where if It was a food in a restaurant, knowing what went into it and how it was made you'd not want to eat it, lol....

What I find humorous about the people clamoring for AOC is that they are utterly silent on issues that they rail against Republicans for when it happens to Democrats, and they still try to present themselves as not partisan. I used to be a Republican and I actively root for the defeat of many Republicans, like Paul Ryan for example. Yet, our ideologues on Judge Roy Moore or Brett Kavanaugh have nothing to say about the executive branch of Virginia.


Partisanship gives a lot of people meaning for their lives, and I don't mean just Politicians and their underlings either. They identify with a brand much like their favorite sports teams, entertainers, or fast food.

You know, Children... And Children must be led, hopefully the right way.

They are also pretty silent about the a quarter of a year of protests in France with the Gilets Jaunes. The best mainstream coverage from those events now comes from RT. By contrast, the US mainstream media gives the story little coverage and YouTube actively censors non-establishment outlets.


They hope it'll just magically go away without their coverage, as if their coverage will make all the difference in the world. It won't go away, it's just getting started, we're looking at the Fourth Wave of Revolution to hit the modern world; 1776 started the First Wave, 1848 started the Second Wave (a failure), and 1917 started the Third Wave.

Meanwhile, the right in America understands how Putin has played a weak hand into a much stronger one. For example:



Yes, he did, brought Russia back from the abyss which the Collapse of the Soviet Union and the looting of the remains had brought It to.

I would add that Christians Bet on Trump and Won is the left's more profound fear of Trump and Russia--resurgent Christianity. The attack of the homosexuals on Christianity has backfired badly.


That which is weak and not true of and among the thousands of sects will die, the true faith will remain.

And on a practical level, societies are built on families, and the people who bring children into the world will be the builders.
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Rancid wrote:American left/liberal is very anti-gun. The media likes to paint millennial as strongly American liberal.

I agree that only true communists support gun rights.

HOw else are you going to line up dirty capitalist pigs against the wall and shoot them?

The communists don't support the gun rights of the capitalists, otherwise the capitalists could shoot back.
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Hindsite wrote:The communists don't support the gun rights of the capitalists, otherwise the capitalists could shoot back.


Wrong. That has never been the concern about Capitalists in the past, they've always had the guns and the military power of the State on their side for the most part, while the working people have been relatively unarmed in comparison.
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annatar1914 wrote:Wrong. That has never been the concern about Capitalists in the past, they've always had the guns and the military power of the State on their side for the most part, while the working people have been relatively unarmed in comparison.

That is not true in the USA, because we have the second amendment to the Constitution, which allows all citizens to keep and bear arms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_ ... _bear_arms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... nstitution
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Hindsite wrote:That is not true in the USA, because we have the second amendment to the Constitution, which allows all citizens to keep and bear arms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_ ... _bear_arms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... nstitution


Yes, that's what we Americans have, the right to bear arms that comes from God, actually. We also have the right of Revolution against a government that may someday become oppressive and tyrannical, supporting only the good of the wealthy few against the working and poor many.

That's what I'm talking about.
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annatar1914 wrote:Yes, that's what we Americans have, the right to bear arms that comes from God, actually. We also have the right of Revolution against a government that may someday become oppressive and tyrannical, supporting only the good of the wealthy few against the working and poor many.

That's what I'm talking about.

You certainly were not clear about it. So is there anything else you need my expertise on?
#14987727
Hindsite wrote:You certainly were not clear about it. So is there anything else you need my expertise on?


I was as clear as water son, and as far as your ''expertise'' goes, I think i'll pass on that. But I appreciate the offer.
#14987803
Howard Schultz, the billionaire former Starbucks CEO considering a run for president, wants to pay more taxes. He just won’t say how much. "I should be paying more taxes,” Schultz said. “And people who make this kind of revenue, and are of means, should pay more taxes. What I am saying is we need comprehensive tax reform.”

“If I decide to run for president, I 100 percent will release my taxes and be completely transparent,” he pledged, seizing the chance to swipe at President Donald Trump, who has so far refused to do so. “I think President Trump, unfortunately, has a habit of not being truthful.” (jimjam's understatement of the month award is hereby awarded to Mr. Schultz :lol: )
#14987810
Though I am sympathetic to his sentiment, this arrogant fuck is going to hand the election to Trump. Whether he is a tool or a fool depends on who you ask. He can say whatever he wants. Trump is rooting for him to run all the way.

What we really need is another billionaire running for president.
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