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A good article here from the New York Times. I encourage people to click through for the informative graphs, but I will copy the text below:

New York Times wrote:In a manifesto posted online before his attack, the gunman who killed 50 last month in a rampage at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, said he drew inspiration from white extremist terrorism attacks in Norway, the United States, Italy, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

His references to those attacks placed him in an informal global network of white extremists whose violent attacks are occurring with greater frequency in the West.

An analysis by The New York Times of recent terrorism attacks found that at least a third of white extremist killers since 2011 were inspired by others who perpetrated similar attacks, professed a reverence for them or showed an interest in their tactics.

The connections between the killers span continents and highlight how the internet and social media have facilitated the spread of white extremist ideology and violence.

In one instance, a school shooter in New Mexico corresponded with a gunman who attacked a mall in Munich. Altogether, they killed 11 people.

Many White Extremist Killers Were Inspired by Earlier Attacks

Circles show the number of people killed in deadly attacks since 2011. Highlighted circles and
lines show connections from later attackers to the earlier attackers who influenced them.

One object of fascination for the Christchurch killer and at least four other white extremists was Anders Behring Breivik, the far-right extremist who killed 77 in a bombing and mass shooting in Norway in 2011.

Mr. Breivik’s lengthy manifesto offered a litany of grievances about immigration and Islam — and the attacks became a model for future ones.

“I think that Breivik was a turning point, because he was sort of a proof of concept as to how much an individual actor could accomplish,” said J.M. Berger, author of the book “Extremism” and a research fellow with VOX-Pol, a European academic initiative to study online extremism.

“He killed so many people at one time operating by himself, it really set a new bar for what one person can do.”

Shortly after the Norway massacre, a prominent American white supremacist named Frazier Glenn Miller wrote on a white supremacist forum that Mr. Breivik had “inspired young Aryan men to action.” Mr. Miller opened fire on a Jewish retirement home and community center in Kansas a few years later, killing three.

Mr. Breivik was not the only mass killer to inspire copycats. The Christchurch shooter also paid tribute to a Canadian man who opened fire inside a Quebec City mosque in 2017, writing his name on one of the guns used in his attack.

That Canadian gunman read extensively about Dylann Roof, the American who killed nine worshipers at a black church in South Carolina in 2015.

At least four white extremist killers made statements online praising Elliot Rodger, a racist and misogynist who targeted women in a 2014 spree, before carrying out their own attacks.

All these attacks occurred amid a surge of white supremacist and xenophobic terrorism in the West that has frequently targeted Muslims, immigrants and other minority groups, the Times analysis found.

The analysis was based on data from the Global Terrorism Database and identified nearly 350 white extremist terrorism attacks in Europe, North America and Australia from 2011 through 2017, the latest year of available data. We also examined preliminary data on attacks in the United States in 2018.

The database is a project of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland. It relies on news reports and other records to capture episodes that meet its definition of terrorism: the use of violence by a non-state actor to attain a political or social goal.

Over this period, white extremism — an umbrella term encompassing white nationalist, white supremacist, neo-Nazi, xenophobic, anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic ideologies — accounted for about 8 percent of all attacks in these regions and about a third of those in the United States.

Erin Miller, who manages the database, said the increase in white extremist terrorism parallels a rise in hate crimes and bias episodes in the West and that deadly attacks are occurring more often.

“There’s a common framing of far-right terrorism or domestic terrorism as being ‘terrorism lite’ and not as serious,” she said. “It’s an interesting question given that far-right attacks can be quite devastating.”

There were five white extremist attacks in Australia from 2011 through 2017, all of which were attacks on mosques and Islamic centers. There were no such attacks in New Zealand during that same period.

Then the massacre of worshippers at two mosques in Christchurch on March 15 — the deadliest shooting in modern New Zealand history — helped put the global nature of white extremism into relief.

Experts say the same broad motives are at play whether the target is a mosque in Perth or an asylum seekers’ shelter in Dresden or a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Attackers who identify as white, Christian and culturally European see an attack on their privileged position in the West by immigrants, Muslims and other religious and racial minorities.

The difference now is that it is easier than ever for extremists to connect both domestically and across continents, according to Mr. Berger, the “Extremism” author. The entry point for radicalization is less narrow than it was during earlier waves of white supremacist action, when finding ideological fellow travelers typically required meeting in person.

“This is a particularly strong wave,” Mr. Berger said, “and I think it’s being fueled by a lot of political developments and also by the sort of connective tissue that you get from the Internet that wasn’t there before that’s really making it easier for groups to be influenced and to coordinate, or not necessarily coordinate but synchronize over large geographical distances.”

Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, said that given these international connections, it’s important to reconsider the nature of the threat. “We conceive of this problem as being a domestic one,” she said. “But that’s not the case.”

The challenge for law enforcement will be to buck a sometimes myopic focus on Islamic extremism as the only driver of international terrorism.

It may also require rethinking the legal framework for what constitutes terrorism: from violence that arises from a command and control structure to a looser definition that can account for a wider range of violent actors who share a common ideology.

“They don't see themselves as Americans or Canadians, very much like the Christchurch killer didn’t see himself as an Australian; he saw himself as part of a white collective,” Dr. Beirich said.

“It has never been the case that these people didn’t think in a global way. They may have acted in ways that looked domestic but the thinking was always about building an international white movement.”

Methodology

This analysis was based on data from the Global Terrorism Database for the years 2011 through 2017 and preliminary data for the United States for 2018. To identify episodes involving white extremists, we looked at the available data on perpetrators; their affiliations with terrorist groups; stated motives and targets; and conducted independent research.

We examined attacks perpetrated by anti-immigrant extremists, anti-Muslim extremists, neo-Nazi extremists, right-wing extremists, anti-Semitic extremists, neo-fascists, white extremists, anti-Arab extremists, the Ku Klux Klan, anti-Sikh extremists and incel extremists. We also examined attacks on migrants and refugees, places of worship and religious figures, and attacks on black people, Hispanic people and Hindus.

For episodes in which the identity of the perpetrator was unknown, we made a determination about ideology based on the target or through further research. We excluded episodes with insufficient evidence of ideological motivation.

We excluded cases that might otherwise have met our criteria — for example, an attack on a mosque — if they took place as part of an active conflict, like in a war zone.

We excluded the small number of instances of right-wing and anti-government political violence in which the perpetrators did not appear to be motivated by white extremist ideology.

Global Terrorism Database researchers mark certain cases as in doubt as to whether they constitute terrorism, but since they were ultimately included in the database, they were included in our analysis when they met our criteria.

Attacks by the same perpetrator that occurred on the same day were counted separately. Location information was not available for two attacks in Europe. These are not shown on the maps but are included in the analysis. The chart showing connections among attackers only includes attacks in the United States and Canada for 2018.


The rise of Vanilla ISIS, also known as Y'all Queda, is worrying. These dangerous whites are pose a danger to the rest of civilized society. It is important that we continue to educate others on white crime so that we can address this threat seriously.

What's most interesting about WCs (White Criminals) is that the average WC is just as likely to idolize Elliot Rodgers as he is Anders Breivik. Why does the angry, misogynist virgin with the small penis inspire admiration in the average WC?
#14997471
How many brown people have Western liberals killed in the last 20 years? When you factor in neoliberal economics and war it's gotta be in the tens of millions. White racists probably haven't even killed a thousand over that same time. Even the death toll of radical Islam is just a blip compared to the carnage perpetrated by the liberal class.

And the kicker is liberal policies are what's driving the radicalization of both the Islamic world and the white working class. Liberals are the only real enemy, they are the root we need to be striking at, radical Islam and white hate are just the branches.
#14997472
Sivad wrote:How many brown people have Western liberals killed in the last 20 years? When you factor in neoliberal economics and war it's gotta be in the tens of millions. White racists probably haven't even killed a thousand over that same time. Even the death toll of radical Islam is just a blip compared to the carnage perpetrated by the liberal class.

And the kicker is liberal policies are what's driving the radicalization of both the Islamic world and the white working class. Liberals are the only real enemy, they are the root we need to be striking at, radical Islam and white hate are just the branches.


Do you mean liberals in the classic sense of supporters of liberalism, or in the American sense of those opposed to conservative policies?
#14997473
Pants-of-dog wrote:Do you mean liberals in the classic sense of supporters of liberalism, or in the American sense of those opposed to conservative policies?



I mean all the neoliberal, neocon, third way assholes, the trans-partisan think tank and round table jokers, the international corporate business class, the managerial elites from the party of Davos, the neo-malthusian technocrats, the ethno apartheid zion*zis and their white terror AIPAC cronies, etc etc etc


The New York Times talking about white terror is pretty fucking ironic given all the lies that liberal rag has pumped over the last couple decades to help sell and promote a mass terror campaign on brown people across the entire globe.
#14997475
Sivad wrote:I mean all the neoliberal, neocon, third way assholes, the trans-partisan think tank and round table jokers, the international corporate business class, the managerial elites from the party of Davos, the neo-malthusian technocrats, the ethno apartheid zion*zis and their white terror AIPAC cronies, etc etc etc


You could just say “capitalism”.

The New York Times talking about white terror is pretty fucking ironic given all the lies that liberal rag has pumped over the last couple decades to help sell and promote a mass terror campaign on brown people across the entire globe.


The fact that a bigger problem exists does not, in any way, negate or refute the problem of right wing or nationalist terrorism.
#14997477
Sivad you can start your own thread to discuss neoliberal economic policy and its effects on the world. Unless there's some specific reason you feel the need to barge into threads and downplay the danger of white crime.

Is there a reason you seem to be doing this specific schtick in threads about white crime?

Just the liberal war on drugs alone has caused a million times more misery and death than all the white racism of the last hundred years combined.


Lmao what the fuck are you talking about? Nixon purposely started the war on drugs to attack and undermine the left-wing.
#14997480
So.... how exactly do we stop such violence?

Moreover, is he solution to stopping white mass killers the same as non-white mass killers? Should these issues of mass killings be treated differently based on the perpetrators ethnicity?

I'm just throwing questions out there to see what sorts of responses come back.
#14997488
Pants-of-dog wrote:
You could just say “capitalism”.


No, it's not specific to capitalism. It's predatory elitism and capitalism is just one manifestation of it.

The fact that a bigger problem exists does not, in any way, negate or refute the problem of right wing or nationalist terrorism.


The liberals are using wingnut terrorism as a pretext to advance their authoritarian agenda and as a form of social justice-washing to paper over their own heinous atrocities. Plus wingnut extremism is largely a reaction to and fall out from liberal policies over the last few decades. The liberals are responsible for shit like Trump and the alt-right and now they're using the monster they created to push censorship and a host of other deplorable policies. :knife:


Lmao what the fuck are you talking about? Nixon purposely started the war on drugs to attack and undermine the left-wing.


Nixon was a liberal and liberals aren't left-wing. And the Democrats have been more than happy to perpetuate the war drugs and mass incarceration for decades now.
#14997491
Cool Sivad, thanks for the first result you got for "Nixon was a liberal" on Google. This JSTOR preview you've submitted without context, other than the title, is uhh... something, I guess. You know, for a guy who seems really concerned about neoliberal economic policy and its worldwide effects you sure don't seem to understand political terminology much.

It's nice of you to take over Maz's job of 1) downplaying white crime 2) shouting about free speech and 3) blaming white crime on liberals. I can't believe the guy who behaves exactly like a white supremacist thinks white supremacism isn't a big deal!
#14997495
Sivad wrote:No, it's not specific to capitalism. It's predatory elitism and capitalism is just one manifestation of it.


Then why use the word "liberal" at all?

The liberals are using wingnut terrorism as a pretext to advance their authoritarian agenda and as a form of social justice-washing to paper over their own heinous atrocities. Plus wingnut extremism is largely a reaction to and fall out from liberal policies over the last few decades. The liberals are responsible for shit like Trump and the alt-right and now they're using the monster they created to push censorship and a host of other deplorable policies. :knife:


And now it seems like you are using the word "liberal" to mean "high ranking member of the Democrat party".

None of this changes the fact that racist white guys are radicalising each other on the internet.
#14997497
SpecialOlympian wrote:This JSTOR preview you've submitted without context, other than the title, is uhh... something.


:knife: the article is below the title If you don't like that article here's a WaPo article saying the same shit:

OUR LAST LIBERAL PRESIDENT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... a563579bab

1) downplaying white crime


Providing perspective which is something you are desperately lacking in.

2) shouting about free speech


To the rafters and to my dying breath.

3) blaming white crime on liberals.


Liberals are arch criminals that have been manipulating societies with race baiting and identitarian politics for going on two centuries now.


I can't believe the guy who behaves exactly like a white supremacist thinks white supremacism isn't a big deal!



:knife: Pointing out massive hypocrisy isn't white supremacism and insinuating that my criticism of your bullshit is motivated by some secret bigotry or racism is just lame. I'm happy to let you go on doing it because all it does is further discredit you with anyone that matters and anyone who can't see right through that shit is doomed anyway so you can have em.
#14997502
What they have common is their anger against society. These Caucasian or Arab terrorists belong to a segment of society at risk of terrorism because they are marginalized or disadvantaged, being unable to participate in great things in society. It all started with the Columbine High School massacre. All other mass shootings are its copycats. Dylan Klebold and his friend Eric Harris developed a hatred of school and they brought guns and pipe bombs to murder as many students as they could in 1999. Breivik's manifesto is a sham, which was an excuse to commit another school shooting. Breivik was diagnosed to be autistic and he targeted young students probably because he was bullied at school just like Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. Psychiatrists said his mental health deteriorated when he moved back to his mother's home and he went into a state of withdrawal and isolation. Brenton Tarrant was also bullied as an overweight child, friends have said.

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#14997508
Sivad wrote:OUR LAST LIBERAL PRESIDENT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... a563579bab


Lmao thanks for the second result from your Google search, which I know you didn't read because it requires a WaPo subscription.

Providing perspective which is something you are desperately lacking in.


Thank you for the "White supremacism is fine" perspective.

:knife: Pointing out massive hypocrisy isn't white supremacism and insinuating that my criticism of your bullshit is motivated by some secret bigotry or racism is just lame. I'm happy to let you go on doing it because all it does is further discredit you with anyone that matters and anyone who can't see right through that shit is doomed anyway so you can have em.


U mad. U mad about people criticizing white supremacism (which is why you also did this exact same thing in the James Fields thread).

Pants-of-dog wrote:Then why use the word "liberal" at all?


Because something about pointing out right wing white crime annoys Sivad and, in a page right out of Maz's playbook, shouting about how liberals are the real bad guys is a desperate attempt to change the subject.
#14997529
Actually I am going to come out on @SpecialOlympian's side on this, the subject is white nationalist terror so anything bringing up random other sorts of hazards like liberalism and narcotic policing is tantamount to a thread derailment. I face the same kind of shit when I want to talk about Islamic terrorism, a bunch of white knights for jihadis turn up to defend their overlords with random comparisons with the deaths caused by bee stings, car accidents, lung cancer and US foreign policy... as if any of that is relevant. Just for once can we stay on topic?
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SolarCross wrote:Actually I am going to come out on SpecialOlympian's side on this, the subject is white nationalist terror so anything bringing up random other sorts of hazards like liberalism and narcotic policing is tantamount to a thread derailment. I face the same kind of shit when I want to talk about Islamic terrorism, a bunch of white knights for jihadis turn up to defend their overlords with random comparisons with the deaths caused by bee stings, car accidents, lung cancer and US foreign policy... as if any of that is relevant. Just for once can we stay on topic?


You see my point now, @SpecialOlympian?

Too fucking funny. :lol:
#14997537
SpecialOlympian wrote:He just said you support white supremacism, my dude. Taken at face value or as a joke, he's calling you a white supremacist lmao.

That's a reasonable deduction from cui bono. The other possibility is that he just wants every conversation to be turned to the subject of his personal hobby horse: liberalism or whatever.
#14997538
Sivad wrote:You see my point now, @SpecialOlympian?

Too fucking funny. :lol:


SO is correct. The best thing about SO is that he is direct and gives shit to anyone who deserves it. You do have a white mans burden complex of sorts.
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