Drlee wrote:The farmers vote as a block. The day of the local motel is over. The hospitality market (which employs ton of illegals) is more and more owned by corporate interests. Meat packing, so often the focus of the few raids we have, are owned by powerful interests.
The short answer is that we have come to enjoy our virtual slaves.
Look. POFO is not a repository for very smart people. These captains of industry are very smart and just fine with Trump's demonizing illegals. They don't much care about the wall. Where they draw the line is at his actually doing anything substantial about illegal immigration. Let ICE raid a few major hotels and watch the senate on both sides start talking about "much needed immigration reform". Just the threat of a major push on marketplace enforcement would stagger the economy.
Yes I agree as I've stated.
Republicans do not honor work. They sneer at it. The idolize rich people and fuck anybody who things that work is honorable and should be treated as such. There is no way to treat a minimum wage job as honorable.
The Republicans are a trash party, and the Democrats, while not as morally repulsive, aren't faultless, and have their hands in the pockets of power. At least Obama enacted some reasonable solutions, like deporting people recently coming in the country illegally and allowing Dreamers etc.
So is this what you had in mind @Unthinking Majority ? I hope it was because it that would make you one of perhaps 5% of Americans that have a clue about any of this.[/quote]
The problem is complex. I would never simply remove 10 million illegals all at once even if it were possible, it's not practical or reasonable. Then you have the issue of children and families.
The first priority should be to secure the border as much as possible, while also being humane about it. Once it's as difficult as possible for new migrants to come into and stay in the country illegally (it will never be perfect), then we can figure out what to do with the people already here illegally, and the companies involved. If there's catch-and-release, people should be forced to wear GPS bracelets etc. My priority, whatever the solution, would be to try to get things on the books as much as possible, and end the chaos, which only helps the wealthy.
Permanent residence for many who qualify is a possible solution, if they pass the same kind of criminal checks etc that legal immigrants do. I wouldn't make them eligible for citizenship, that would be their punishment, which is entirely reasonable for people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place, and broke laws to do it. But they could work & live legally & safely.
In a bubble, adults without children who willfully entered I don't feel bad for if they were deported, because that's the risk they took when they broke the law, and any pain is 100% of their own doing. They knew what they were doing, they knew the consequences if they got caught, and they can take responsibility for those actions, no different than anyone else who breaks the law. However, people who came as children or born here I do feel sorry for, because none of this was of their own doing. There's an issue of anchor babies, and families being separated, which is complex. I suppose it depends on how long the children and families have been in the US. Deporting someone who is 17 years old and has been in the US since they were 3 is fraught with compassionate concerns i'm not unsympathetic to. On the other hand, at the end of the day if they are to blame anyone it should be their parents for putting their family in the situation.
Then there is the issue of the whole practicality of it. It could tear the country apart. It could be very hard to remove people etc.
People like Haitians who were given temporary refuge due to hurricanes/earthquakes I would force them to return and allow them to apply as legal immigrants as anyone else can. There's nothing inhumane about that, that's the agreement they made when they came.