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Now Trump wants China to concoct a fake controversy that he can use to slime the Bidens with.

You would have to write some fancy fiction to develop a scenario in which this wouldn't be as corrupt as hell.

The good news is that Republicans are starting to desert the sinking ship, and this new China controversy might help a few more to jump ship.
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late wrote:Now Trump wants China to concoct a fake controversy that he can use to slime the Bidens with.

You would have to write some fancy fiction to develop a scenario in which this wouldn't be as corrupt as hell.

The good news is that Republicans are starting to desert the sinking ship, and this new China controversy might help a few more to jump ship.

Trump is a crook and a narcissist. However, if impeachment does not get ratified by the senate he will have a bump in popularity and win in 2020. The only people in the Dem party that can beat Trump are Klobuchar, Wang, and Mayor Pete. However, they will not make it. It will be Biden or Warren, probably Warren. She will lose worse than HRC.
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Agreed, the level of belligerence he's displaying should be enough to declare him unfit to hold the highest office in the land. This guy is a fucking disgrace.

The people that support this guys are a special kind of dumb/crazy/ignorant.
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Rancid wrote:Agreed, the level of belligerence he's displaying should be enough to declare him unfit to hold the highest office in the land. This guy is a fucking disgrace.

The people that support this guys are a special kind of dumb/crazy/ignorant.

The question is: WHy do the Dems continue to lose to this guy? I suspect it will be another election where people will be more comfortable with a lunatic than with a progressive Dem obsessed with race identity politics or socialism
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Julian658 wrote:
Trump is a crook and a narcissist.

However, if impeachment does not get ratified by the senate he will have a bump in popularity and win in 2020.

The only people in the Dem party that can beat Trump are Klobuchar, Wang, and Mayor Pete.

However, they will not make it. It will be Biden or Warren, probably Warren. She will lose worse than HRC.



Yes

Doubt that very much.

I like pete a lot, but I suspect any Dem would be able to beat him. His poll numbers are terrible and sinking.

There are only 2 people running that are doing a good job at campaign, and Warren is one of them. Which is why she has been rising steadily in the polls.
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late wrote:They don't, the midterms last year were a bloodbath for Republicans.

Trump's poll numbers are terrible, and sinking.


Don't believe poll numbers. MOst centrists that that like Trump tend to lie when participating in a poll. I voted for Trump and now I realize he is mad. I hope he is impeached. But, i do not want a far left Democrat. Trump may be a maniac but he does not take money out of my pockets.

I tend to fear the dystopia that the left promotes. I despise how they preach race identity politics which causes as much division as Trump.

I would gladly voted for Biden even if he has early Alzheimer's disease. That may be better than Trump. But, i could never vote for Warren, Sanders, Kamala, etc. I could vote for klobuchar, Wang, and the mayor. They seem like normal people.
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Julian658 wrote:The question is: WHy do the Dems continue to lose to this guy? I suspect it will be another election where people will be more comfortable with a lunatic than with a progressive Dem obsessed with race identity politics or socialism


I think your suspicion is right. That said, keep in mind, TRump lost the popular vote, which means more people are not ok with him.
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Julian658 wrote:The question is: WHy do the Dems continue to lose to this guy? I suspect it will be another election where people will be more comfortable with a lunatic than with a progressive Dem obsessed with race identity politics or socialism


A simple answer is that, some good people have megalomaniac symptoms and are unable to accept leadership of someone other than themselves. Bad people, being less capable of critical thinking, often display more unity.
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Rancid wrote:
I think your suspicion is right. That said, keep in mind, TRump lost the popular vote, which means more people are not ok with him.
IMHO the popular vote discrepancy is the charm of the electoral system on "fair representation" on the people's part. It makes less populous states not that easily ignored. Democrats made a mistake by appealing only to the cosmopolitan population. Period.
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Rancid wrote:I think your suspicion is right. That said, keep in mind, TRump lost the popular vote, which means more people are not ok with him.


The Dems will win the popular vote again because the east and west coasts have a higher density of urban type voters.
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Patrickov wrote:A simple answer is that, some good people have megalomaniac symptoms and are unable to accept leadership of someone other than themselves. Bad people, being less capable of critical thinking, often display more unity.


I don't think so. There are two tribes on each extreme: 40% on each side. They always vote Rep or Dem no matter what. The election is decided by people in the middle. The ones that sometimes vote Rep or Dem. The Dems are afraid to talk to the center because the left gets upset. The left thinks the center are NAZIs. The right is more accepting of the center.

The Race identity politics of the left is more of a turn off for the center than the religious right. That is why the Dems should run a centrist women like Klobuchar. She would destroy Trump. A so-called progressive will lose very badly.
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Patrickov wrote:IMHO the popular vote discrepancy is the charm of the electoral system on "fair representation" on the people's part. It makes less populous states not that easily ignored. Democrats made a mistake by appealing only to the cosmopolitan population. Period.


That's fine, but the point still stands. More people did not want Trump.
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Patrickov wrote:IMHO the popular vote discrepancy is the charm of the electoral system on "fair representation" on the people's part. It makes less populous states not that easily ignored. Democrats made a mistake by appealing only to the cosmopolitan population. Period.


The Dems are becoming the party of anyone that is not of European origin. They place too much emphasis on race ID politics and victimhood. It is all about class warfare and "us versus them". The Dems elected Trump with that garbage rhetoric.

Why not have a candidate that does not favor people according to skin color? A candidate that proposes building a train system that eliminates air travel within the continental US. Why not build a system of safe Nuclear power plants to have electricity with zero carbon emission? Why do the Dems tie renewable energy to socialism? We need candidates that want to create a great economy without playing the race card 24/7.
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Julian658 wrote:
Don't believe poll numbers. MOst centrists that that like Trump tend to lie when participating in a poll. I voted for Trump and now I realize he is mad. I hope he is impeached. But, i do not want a far left Democrat. Trump may be a maniac but he does not take money out of my pockets.

I tend to fear the dystopia that the left promotes. I despise how they preach race identity politics which causes as much division as Trump.

I would gladly voted for Biden even if he has early Alzheimer's disease. That may be better than Trump. But, i could never vote for Warren, Sanders, Kamala, etc. I could vote for klobuchar, Wang, and the mayor. They seem like normal people.



'Terrible poll numbers' are a quick way to describe the trouble Trump is in.

He won because of a handful of swing voters in 3 states. Trump has not been good to the people in those states. Some farmers and factory workers are going to try something different this time. Which is exactly what they did in 2016.

Btw, Trump is taking money from you. The trade war is coming out of your wallet, about $1K for a typical family. There's more.

If a Progressive like Warren wins the candidacy, you will have to chose. It will be a choice between an economist who has spent her political career looking out for the little guy, or a sociopathic criminal who would burn the country to the ground as long as he could rule over the ashes.
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late wrote:'Terrible poll numbers' are a quick way to describe the trouble Trump is in.

He won because of a handful of swing voters in 3 states. Trump has not been good to the people in those states. Some farmers and factory workers are going to try something different this time. Which is exactly what they did in 2016.

Btw, Trump is taking money from you. The trade war is coming out of your wallet, about $1K for a typical family. There's more.

If a Progressive like Warren wins the candidacy, you will have to chose. It will be a choice between an economist who has spent her political career looking for the little guy, or a sociopathic criminal who would burn the country to the ground as long as he could rule over the ashes.


I am not the little guy. I expect nothing from POTUS or the government. I just want a safe country with a strong economy and jobs for all. I do not need the help of anyone. I don't even know who is my congressman. That does not mean I don't have a heart. I would like a system to help those low in the socioeconomic ladder, but I do not agree with what is currently proposed by the left. Giving free stuff to citizens is futile, it destroys the human spirit and leads to low self esteem and nihilism.

Don't get me wrong, the message of the extreme left is very compelling, but it destroys people and tends to create a dystopia. A normal society functions because it has balance between the left and the right. I understand someone needs to speak for the poor, but I do not agree with their methods.
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Julian658 wrote:
Giving free stuff to citizens is futile, it destroys the human spirit and leads to low self esteem and nihilism.

Don't get me wrong, the message of the extreme left is very compelling, but it destroys people and tends to create a dystopia. A normal society functions because it has balance between the left and the right. I understand someone needs to speak for the poor, but I do not agree with their methods.



Bernie and Liz are hardly extreme Left.

In a civilised country, they would almost be centrist. And speaking of civilisation, such countries typically have better quality of life, better education, lower health care costs, and lower carbon emissions to boot.

This country was dragged to the Right in the 80s. The Koch brothers started up dozens of orgnisations that created propaganda, (usually) shoddy research, and a ton of political organisations that wound up making them almost as powerful as the Republicans. In some ways more powerful. They are actually Birchers. In the 70s, Republicans literally laughed the Birchers out of the party. A generation later, they dominated politics.

That's why Bernie is an independent. Democrats became Republican Lite.

Read this, it's by the Nobel economist Stiglitz:

https://www.amazon.com/Price-Inequality-Divided-Society-Endangers-ebook/dp/B007MKCQ30/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Q1TKDY9QYFJU&keywords=the+price+of+inequality+joseph+stiglitz&qid=1570160088&sprefix=price+of+ine%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-1
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late wrote:
Bernie and Liz are hardly extreme Left.

In a civilised country, they would almost be centrist. And speaking of civilisation, such countries typically have better quality of life, better education, lower health care costs, and lower carbon emissions to boot.

This country was dragged to the Right in the 80s. The Koch brothers started up dozens of orgnisations that created propaganda, (usually) shoddy research, and a ton of political organisations that wound up making them almost as powerful as the Republicans. In some ways more powerful. They are actually Birchers. In the 70s, Republicans literally laughed the Birchers out of the party. A generation later, they dominated politics.

That's why Bernie is an independent. Democrats became Republican Lite.

Read this, it's by the Nobel economist Stiglitz:

https://www.amazon.com/Price-Inequality-Divided-Society-Endangers-ebook/dp/B007MKCQ30/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Q1TKDY9QYFJU&keywords=the+price+of+inequality+joseph+stiglitz&qid=1570160088&sprefix=price+of+ine%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-1


As long as there are countries like China out there harming people I will endorse JBS, even though I am not rightwing enough myself. Sorry.
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late wrote:Bernie and Liz are hardly extreme Left.

In a civilised country, they would almost be centrist. And speaking of civilisation, such countries typically have better quality of life, better education, lower health care costs, and lower carbon emissions to boot.

This country was dragged to the Right in the 80s. The Koch brothers started up dozens of orgnisations that created propaganda, (usually) shoddy research, and a ton of political organisations that wound up making them almost as powerful as the Republicans. In some ways more powerful. They are actually Birchers. In the 70s, Republicans literally laughed the Birchers out of the party. A generation later, they dominated politics.

That's why Bernie is an independent. Democrats became Republican Lite.

Read this, it's by the Nobel economist Stiglitz:

https://www.amazon.com/Price-Inequality-Divided-Society-Endangers-ebook/dp/B007MKCQ30/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Q1TKDY9QYFJU&keywords=the+price+of+inequality+joseph+stiglitz&qid=1570160088&sprefix=price+of+ine%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-1

Those two are too far left for me. By the way I favor national Medicare. I would like private healthcare to compete with national Medicare.

The reason European countries do well is because they are capitalist with a nice safety net. People think the Scandinavian countries are socialists but they are capitalists. What we need is a centrist government that provides opportunities rather than pandering and promising dreams that cannot be achieved. We need to stop talking about race identity and realize that there’s only one human race. The more we talk about race identity the more the country becomes divided.

We need a strong national identity regardless of ethnicity. We need every single school in America to teach ethics to all children every single day. Schools should teach honesty on a daily basis.

Instead of providing free college to everybody which should provide free technical education. Many people that go to college would do better by educating themselves in high paying positions such as heating and air-conditioning, electrician, plumbing, machinists, etc.

The number one cause of poverty in the United States is single motherhood. Instead of celebrating single motherhood we should create a society that celebrates marriage and children that are born into a two parent home. Having two parents at home markedly reduces the likelihood of poverty.

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