[late]

The Trump cult says the Deep State was doing a politically motivated attack on Trump.

Problem is, both Hillary and Trump were being investigated. If they wanted to do an attack, all the had to do was reveal the investigation they were doing on the Trump campaign.

But they didn't do that. They talked about the Hillary investigation in public, and reopened it, in public, shortly before the election. Which could easily have cost her the election.

So if anyone was attacked by the FBI, it was Hillary. ( I am not making that accusation. I suspect this is an example of Comey demonstrating the Peter Principle, of rising to your level of incompetence)

It's obvious, if you're not Deep Stupid.

Let's take this a step further.. The conservative (old fashioned conservatism) Lawfare website says the IG report debunks all the goofy conspiracy theories the Trump cult has been making up. The guy who runs it describes those theories as "garbage". That's what most that are knowledgeable are saying.

The problem the cult has is that Trump is blatant. Again and again, he just comes out and says it, destroying the excuse of the day the Republicans are trying to sell to the gullible.

Here's a Lawfare article on the markup I found informative, and interesting:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/marking-articles-impeachment

[Bob Alou]

The forum rules prevent your reading the unposted comments of those dozens of readers who have clicked on this thread but disagree with your assumptions and conclusions.

[Drlee]

I agree @late Late. If there is a deep state it is the most ineffective body of people since the Flat Earth Society.

You and I have to remember that President Trump relies on stupidity for his political existence and he readily admits it.

Trump: ""And when you're talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. And it blows over and it sails over."

Trump: "They never take those cameras off my face. Look at all the women."

Trump: "I said, 'Oh, I am so smart. I am the smartest person.' My uncle was a great professor at MIT for 40 years. Can you believe? Forty years. I said, 'But I'm smarter than him. I'm smarter than anybody.'"

No words.

[Zionist Nationalist]

@Drlee Ok you hate Trump but you said that you are conservative. how can you support a democrat candidate?
all of them want to push identity politics destroy traditional family values and open borders is their long term goal
democrats are globalists. they want open border so the elites can make profit at the expense of everyone else. they gonna surround their mansions with walls and without any immigrants in their neighborhood aside from the cleaners and gardeners but everyone else must embrace multiculturalism and globalism because if not than you are Nazi,racist xenophobic,mysgonist and all of this crap we hear all the time

[Bob Alou]

I agree @late Late. If there is a deep state it is the most ineffective body of people since the Flat Earth Society.

You and I have to remember that President Trump relies on stupidity for his political existence and he readily admits it.

No words.

Take Donald Trump seriously but not literally — or better yet, take him symbolically. ...except when you have to take him literally.

Try to keep up.

[Drlee]

@Drlee Ok you hate Trump but you said that you are conservative. how can you support a democrat candidate?

The democratic party is a center right party. I could support Hillary because she was a conservative candidate. Clearly Trump is NOT a conservative on issues that matter to traditional conservatives. The best example is his tax giveaway to the wealthy. He is a huge spender. The biggest in US history. He make Obama look like a miser.

all of them want to push identity politics destroy traditional family values and open borders is their long term goal
democrats are globalists.

Bla Bla Bla. So many buzz words you sound like a beehive. And none of it true. Not one bit. Democrats do not want to destroy "traditional family values" unless you consider equal rights to be a threat to "traditional family values. They do not support open borders. Not one of them. And what do you mean by "globalists". Trump has been playing on the global stage since he took office.

they want open border so the elites can make profit at the expense of everyone else.

As I said. They do not want open borders but you may want to ask why Trump has not gone for workplace enforcement. Probably because his properties employ so many illegals. And, oh by the way, he actively recruits workers overseas rather than pay what it takes to get an American worker.

they gonna surround their mansions with walls and without any immigrants in their neighborhood aside from the cleaners and gardeners but everyone else must embrace multiculturalism and globalism because if not than you are Nazi,racist xenophobic,mysgonist and all of this crap we hear all the time

You are coming unhinged. Try to make sense out of this and re-post it.

Take Donald Trump seriously but not literally — or better yet, take him symbolically. ...except when you have to take him literally.

Try to keep up.

I see. Another offensive newbie. Oh goodie. News flash young man. Trump is not "symbolic". He is real. He is hurting my country. You can excuse any behavior you like but I want a president who says what they mean and means what they say. If you wish to be fooled, and obviously you do, please do not expect the rest of us to join you.

[Bob Alou]

The democratic party is a center right party. I could support Hillary because she was a conservative candidate. Clearly Trump is NOT a conservative on issues that matter to traditional conservatives. The best example is his tax giveaway to the wealthy. He is a huge spender. The biggest in US history. He make Obama look like a miser.

You make me want to place you on "ignore."

Such bald faced nonsense do dont deserve a response.

Bla Bla. So many buzz words you sound like a beehive. And none of it true. Not one bit. Democrats do not want to destroy "traditional family values" unless you consider equal rights to be a threat to "traditional family values. They do not support open borders. Not one of them. And what do you mean by "globalists". Trump has been playing on the global stage since he took office.

The Dem. voters dont want to destroy America, but they are unable to see that the advice given by the untrustworthy and inept Democrat leaders will result in the destruction of America.

As I said. They do not want open borders but you may want to ask why Trump has not gone for workplace enforcement. Probably because his properties employ so many illegals. And, oh by the way, he actively recruits workers overseas rather than pay what it takes to get an American worker.

No one who is honest and informed doubts the President's sincerity in wanting to solve the immigration problems.

Legal immigrants only. And ONLY if we absolutely MUST have ANY immigrants at all.

I would stop ALL immigration indefinitely "until we figure out what the hell is going on."

I see. Another offensive newbie. Oh goodie. News flash young man. Trump is not "symbolic". He is real. He is hurting my country. You can excuse any behavior you like but I want a president who says what they mean and means what they say. If you wish to be fooled, and obviously you do, please do not expect the rest of us to join you.

You are, at best, confused.

But it is more likely that you are a committed but sneaky (snake in the grass) Socialist, Islamist or Communist practicing your propaganda techniques.

[Drlee]

But it is more likely that you are a committed but sneaky (snake in the grass) Socialist, Islamist or Communist practicing your propaganda techniques.

I am, among many other things, a Christian clergyman.

[Bob Alou]

I am, among many other things, a Christian clergyman.

Who stands between us and evil?

You attack Pres. Trump to allow the evil ones to control US.

[Patrickov]

I hope the OP at least believes that his posts can cause the Trump camp be ANNIHILATED.

Repeating the same thing so many times, even if it is 100% righteous and correct (this IS my assumption), is harassment. He already presents the problem clearly enough. Solutions, please.

[Drlee]

Who stands between us and evil?

You attack Pres. Trump to allow the evil ones to control US.

[blackjack21]

The Trump cult says the Deep State was doing a politically motivated attack on Trump.

Yes.

Problem is, both Hillary and Trump were being investigated.

That's only a problem if you are assuming that they are loyal to a particular political party. What if that is not their loyalty? Comey talks about a higher loyalty.

If they wanted to do an attack, all the had to do was reveal the investigation they were doing on the Trump campaign.

Not quite. Hillary Clinton was dead to rights. It could be that the people who started that investigation were anti-Clinton and that Comey, et. al. did their best--albeit poorly--to rescue her from prosecution. By contrast, Trump had not committed any crime. If anything, they would be admitting to their own wrongdoing. Their action against Trump at that point was principally a discovery mission.

They talked about the Hillary investigation in public, and reopened it, in public, shortly before the election. Which could easily have cost her the election.

So why would you then suddenly discount the existence of a deep state? Hillary was deeply compromised. Think of the possible payoffs, promotions, etc. she might have had a hand in. For example, McCabe's wife was given $600k to fund her political campaign. Comey and Mueller made millions tacking between the public and private sector.

So if anyone was attacked by the FBI, it was Hillary.

Uh huh. Watch a documentary called "The World According to Dick Cheney." What's interesting is when they get to the Plame affair--another CIA action--Comey's now personal attorney, Patrick Fitzgerald was prosecuting, Robert Mueller was in charge of the FBI, and James Comey was at the DOJ. The same actors were involved against Scooter Libby. Then, they show up against Clinton. Then they are there again when Trump is president. Same people, three different administrations.

It's obvious, if you're not Deep Stupid.

Your deep stupid if you think the same people are going to be involved in investigating high level people in three different administrations and there isn't anything strange about that. I said at the beginning of the Hillary Clinton email scandal that she was guilty AND that she would never be prosecuted for it. I was right about that.

Lawfare website says the IG report debunks all the goofy conspiracy theories the Trump cult has been making up.

The IG report does not, and neither does the recent (and long awaited) rebuke from the FISA court.

democrats are globalists. they want open border so the elites can make profit at the expense of everyone else.

A lot of Republicans are the same way, however. What would have been the substantive difference between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton? Have you noticed that Michelle Obama and George W. Bush are good buddies now, just like he and Bill Clinton are good buddies?

Clearly Trump is NOT a conservative on issues that matter to traditional conservatives.

On the courts, he is on the verge of transforming the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

They do not want open borders but you may want to ask why Trump has not gone for workplace enforcement.

He has. Not nearly enough, but he certainly has. Hint. It's how he's getting black unemployment down in many cases.

The Dem. voters dont want to destroy America, but they are unable to see that the advice given by the untrustworthy and inept Democrat leaders will result in the destruction of America.

About a third of the people at those Trump rallies are Democrats and independents. Look what just happened in the UK. Tony Blair's seat went conservative! It won't stay that way forever, but the working class knows that they are getting fucked over throughout the West.

[late]

1) That's only a problem if you are assuming that they are loyal to a particular political party.

That's only a problem when someone violates D0J procedures.

You keep agreeing with Trump when it was Hillary that got improperly screwed over shortly before the election.

You definitely belong to the 'if you can't blind them with your brilliance, bury them in your BS' camp. Are we going to do nothing but fiction now?

[Rich]

First off near all Brexiteers will feel a deep sympathy for the Democrats.

The Brexiteers have repeated over and over and over again the 17 million voters must not be ignored. How much more evil then that the wishes of the near 66 million that voted for Hilary should be ignored. Hilary received the greatest democratic mandate of anyone in American history with the exception of Obama. Added to this the Democrats had a clear if implicit promise from the Neo Cons, that in the unlikely event that Trump was elected they would remove him.

The funny thing is that the Deep State is not even secret. James Comey explains openly in his memoirs how he tried to use his power to get the result of the election he wanted. He explains his thinking in detail. He wanted to do maximum damage to Hilary, while avoiding Trump winning the Presidency. And of course in a way Trump did lose the Presidential vote, so Comey miscalculated, not foreseeing that the electoral college could overcome a 2.1% defeat.

The trouble is that since the election the Democrats have been deeply let down by their new Neo-Con friends. I try to tell people if you want to be a good house Goy for Jewish supremacists, that's your choice, just don't expect any gratitude from them. Just don't expect any loyalty when you're no longer useful, or worth the cost. The Syrian Kurds have just been getting a painful lesson in this. I try telling people but will they listen? The trouble is the Neo Cons have been very fickle. They've been seduced by the tax cuts, the judges, the ending of the Iran deal and the recognition of Jerusalem and the Golan.

The Democrats hate Putin, because he stands up for our Pagan-Christian heritage, but most of all, because they blame him for Trumps electoral college victory. This is a key point, Liberals don't hate Trump, because they believe he aided Putin. They hate Putin because they believe he aided Trump. Even the nerve agent attacks that our deep state's have framed Putin up for. So what, even if were true, not the lie it actually is, when have lefties ever given a toss about foreign government agents murdering people on home soil. How many lefties were eager like me for vengeance for Yvonne Fletcher. Although I don't support the obsessive, exclusive focus on Iran, I certainly hope there comes a time when we can avenge the suffering of the American hostages in Tehran.

The Neo Cons are against Putin because they see his interference in the Jewish sphere of influence as a threat to Jewish dominance over the Middle East, and for good reason. But as I said the Neo Cons have been fickle, continuing blowing hot and cold on the removal of Trump. At the beginning of this phase of Bidengate, the Neo Cons signalled that they were finally ready to take down Trump. So Pelosi went for impeachment. But again the Neo Cons have left them sitting high and dry.

I have to say I do admire Trump, he knows how to do just enough to keep em Neo Con bitches in line. Of course the Neo cons are secretly fuming, about the way he's so comprehensibly out manoeuvred them on Syria. That "total waste of time" missile attack against the Assad regime, was a stroke of genius. But when it comes to the crunch of actually, taking Trump down the majority of the Neo Cons always back down.

[late]

The Democrats hate Putin, because he stands up for our Pagan-Christian heritage, but most of all, because they blame him for Trumps electoral college victory. This is a key point, Liberals don't hate Trump, because they believe he aided Putin. They hate Putin because they believe he aided Trump. Even the nerve agent attacks that our deep state's have framed Putin up for. So what, even if were true, not the lie it actually is, when have lefties ever given a toss about foreign government agents murdering people on home soil. How many lefties were eager like me for vengeance for Yvonne Fletcher. Although I don't support the obsessive, exclusive focus on Iran, I certainly hope there comes a time when we can avenge the suffering of the American hostages in Tehran.

You know, I spent the first half of my life trying to talk Right wingnuts down from their Russian phobia.

Now they love him. It's beyond weird.

Putin is the proverbial monkey wrench in the works. He is destabilisng the West. Take a short look at the 20th Century, before Americans got things settled down. There were two World Wars. They weren't even far apart.

Now Putin is pushing the world in that direction. He is tactically brilliant, and strategically idiotic.

And he is succeeding at ripping us apart.

And he has some nice new ways to attack us that you will see shortly.

So while all this is going on, you babble.

[blackjack21]

That's only a problem when someone violates D0J procedures.

You keep agreeing with Trump when it was Hillary that got improperly screwed over shortly before the election.

You definitely belong to the 'if you can't blind them with your brilliance, bury them in your BS' camp. Are we going to do nothing but fiction now?

I don't think she was improperly screwed by Comey. She was improperly protected from criminal prosecution by Comey who took control of her investigation--although, there wasn't a very clean way for Comey to do it, since she was clearly guilty of the charges and it was fairly public since it came to light when Congress subpoenaed her emails following Benghazi. Comey, Mueller, Fitzgerald and others have definitely played power games to try to keep things where they want them. They are not alone in this effort. As I said, the Plame affair involved Fitzgerald, Comey and Mueller too, along with Richard Armitage who leaked her name and was never prosecuted. Plame herself blamed Scooter Libby without any evidence whatsoever, and he ended up getting convicted on process crimes. Plame's husband Wilson was also trying to undermine Bush. It was yet another CIA coup attempt.

James Comey explains openly in his memoirs how he tried to use his power to get the result of the election he wanted. He explains his thinking in detail. He wanted to do maximum damage to Hilary, while avoiding Trump winning the Presidency. And of course in a way Trump did lose the Presidential vote, so Comey miscalculated, not foreseeing that the electoral college could overcome a 2.1% defeat.

He also brags about going to the White House with the dossier and sending over people to question Scooter Libby--Comey, the guy who doesn't do weasel moves. You are spot on though. The polls were totally wrong, because they weren't factoring in the electoral college or Hillary failing to campaign behind the blue wall.

The trouble is the Neo Cons have been very fickle. They've been seduced by the tax cuts, the judges, the ending of the Iran deal and the recognition of Jerusalem and the Golan.

Right, and Elizabeth Warren has been running straight up on a wealth tax.

The Democrats hate Putin, because he stands up for our Pagan-Christian heritage, but most of all, because they blame him for Trumps electoral college victory.

I think his outlawing of gay propaganda sent them over the edge too.

[Bob Alou]

I hope the OP at least believes that his posts can cause the Trump camp be ANNIHILATED.

Repeating the same thing so many times, even if it is 100% righteous and correct (this IS my assumption), is harassment. He already presents the problem clearly enough. Solutions, please.

I think the solution is to inform all patriotic Americans that the ones behind the massive campaign to destroy our GREAT President Trump are not aligned with our Constitution.


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[Patrickov]

I think the solution is to inform all patriotic Americans that the ones behind the massive campaign to destroy our GREAT President Trump are not aligned with our Constitution.

This is no different from the OP, just that it represent the opposite side.

IMHO the two more fanatic sides annihilating each other will serve the rest the greatest favour.

[Dimetrodon]

I believe in a "deep state" in the sense that there is a shadowy part of the U.S. Government that is no longer bounded by the Constitution; however, I do not believe it is waging war against Trump, nor do I believe he is some hero fighting it. Trump is also the type of person who would do corrupt deals with vile people.

[Finfinder]

You know, I spent the first half of my life trying to talk Right wingnuts down from their Russian phobia.

Now they love him. It's beyond weird.

Putin is the proverbial monkey wrench in the works. He is destabilisng the West. Take a short look at the 20th Century, before Americans got things settled down. There were two World Wars. They weren't even far apart.

Now Putin is pushing the world in that direction. He is tactically brilliant, and strategically idiotic.

And he is succeeding at ripping us apart.

And he has some nice new ways to attack us that you will see shortly.

So while all this is going on, you babble.