[Politics_Observer]

@Bob Alou

Trump doesn't know anything about real battle scars, that I can tell you. He's too busy looking out for himself and not giving a damn about anything or anybody but himself to have any real battle scars.

[Godstud]

@Politics_Observer Trump's scars are on the inside, from the bone spurs...

[blackjack21]

Democrats were stupid enough to put up with Hillary Clinton running for president twice post Bill's impeachment. Thus by association supporting Bill Clinton getting back the keys to the Whitehouse and it's Oval Office. Lol.

In fact it was most definitely a factor in helping Trump win.

Indeed. In a supposedly racist country, she got beat by a black guy with no prior executive experience and a legislative career of no substantive accomplishments. Obama could deliver a speech and he was a scratch dresser, though. Losing to Obama had to be humiliating to her too. However, Trump had no previous political experience at all and he beat her to the White House. It really is the greatest political upset of my lifetime.

The Clintons and the rest of the Democrats made a mockery of Impeachment in 1998/99. They wrecked it's effectiveness as a political tool by taking a total dump on it. NO ONE CARES about it, because everyone remembers what Bill Clinton did to it, ripped the entire process to absolute pieces and everyone remembers that your party wanted to give him back a copy of the keys to the Whitehouse by forcing us to endure Hillary as the Presidential Nominee....

Yeah, and impeaching Trump on nearly the same month and day as Clinton was impeached was supposed to be symbolic exactly how?

Chavez, Erdogan etc. All of them slowly dismantled the democratic institutions of their countries and people still voted for them. Why? Because

a) Politics in those countries was characterized by extreme partisanship and the abuse of power was justified by fighting corruption / the establishment.
b) They ruled during a period of strong economic growth and people simply overlooked / didn't care about abuses of power.

Populist autocrats and their supporters operate the same everywhere.

Chavez ran an oil economy and destroyed it by corrupting PDVSA while oil was at an unsustainable $147 a barrel. Erdogan isn't dealing with strong growth and neither is Maduro.

Actually they all may have been duped Pelosi may never send the articles to the Senate she seemed to insinuate that. Also she was trying to demand how the senate would try the case as a reason not to send the article over. Its all a joke Nancy Pelosi demanding how her political rival is tried. If that doesn't say it all what does . People on theleft have been duped.

It's so important to impeach Trump, because he's such a danger to the country. Let's leave impeachment on the shelf and call a recess. She seems out of it.

You don't have to like her, but she's the best Speaker since Tip O'Neil.

Tip O'Neill was speaker for 10 years. Before he was speaker, the House was Democratic. After he was speaker, the House was Democratic. Nancy Pelosi lasted four years and lost the House to the Republicans. She is likely to lose the majority again in 2020. She's the worst speaker since Jim Wright.

Just hours after President Trump became only the third American leader to be impeached, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Thursday mocked what he described as an attempt by Democrats to reverse the 2016 election.

Yea. Even Putin is making fun of Pelosi.

:lol: No Mitchel, they are simply using political tricks not unlike your trick of not voting on Obama's candidate for the Supreme Court until Obama was gone. Sounds like Tricky Mitch is a bit peeved when the tables are turned

What kind of trick is charging someone with a crime and then not showing up to trial? It's called losing.

1. She knows President Trump will wear the "I" tag for life. In fact, no matter how much he plays it down to his base, it will be there for ever.

He's wearing it as a badge of honor. He's campaigning with it. Republicans raised record funds last month again. Pelosi's gambit isn't working at all.

2. Similarly, she knows McConnell hates being called "Moscow Mitch ".

If that's all they've got, it's a beautiful day to be a Republican.

3. Several of the Russian ruble takers, including McConnell and Lindsey Graham have declared themselves not impartial, full stop. In reality they should recuse themselves. Never in the world would they be allowed into a proper court, full stop, so by sitting back with the impeachment pending, Congress can have a little leverage.

Neither would Klobuchar, Warren, Booker, Sanders or Harris. However, impeachment is political, as @late never tires of reminding people.

[Rich]

Admin Edit: Promoting Nazism.

[late]

Tip O'Neill was speaker for 10 years. Before he was speaker, the House was Democratic. After he was speaker, the House was Democratic. Nancy Pelosi lasted four years and lost the House to the Republicans. She is likely to lose the majority again in 2020. She's the worst speaker since Jim Wright.

That was when the Koch brothers used the Tea Party as their hand puppet. Somebody once said that a comedy was a tragedy with the last act removed. This is that last act.

The next thing one needs to know is that the party in power always takes a hit in the midterms. But one does need to explain why it was such a big hit.

Partly it was big money, this was after the Citizens United injected corruption deeper into the body politic.

Redmap and Red State were front page news among intellectuals, combined with Citizens United, they changed the nature of politics in the country. It's what Warren means when she talks about money in politics. Nasty.

But the reality is those built on the success of the 2010 elections.

About the next elections, there are going to be some changes on both sides of the aisle. But the underlying reality is that there is a ton of dissatisfaction with Republicans. Trump's crazy may not stop Trump, but Republicans have been losing or retiring in large numbers.

Bottom line, nothing changes. Dems gain a seat or two in the Senate, and lose a few seats in the House.

The presidential election is the wild card. If there is a big win, that will have coattails, and the result will means wins downballot, and the party that wins will likely get control of both the House and the Senate.

You have the potential to provide me with an interesting discussion, but you badly need to up your game.

[BigSteve]

[Politics_Observer]

What I love about this whole charade is that Pelosi refused to send the Articles of Impeachment over to McConnell where the republicans don't want to allow a fair trial with witnesses and just want to let a guilty defendant (Trump) go. Trump wants a speedy trial with his false acquittal so that he can have his bullshit talking point about this somehow being a "witch hunt" and how he was "innocent all along" when in fact he is guilty. On the same token, the majority of the American people both republican and democrat want a fair trial with witnesses.

Pelosi has zero incentive to send the Articles of Impeachment over and the longer she holds up the Articles of Impeachment, the longer Trump can't have his talking points of how he was "exonerated" and it was all just a "witch hunt." And possibly, the American people will demand a fair trial with witnesses and pressure could build on McConnell.

But Pelosi has ZERO incentive to send them over and there is no pressure on her to send them to the Senate. Especially, when the Senate wants a quick show trial without witnesses to give Trump a false acquittal when in fact he should be convicted. By not sending those impeachment articles over now, it helps democrats and not republicans.

[Patrickov]

What I love about this whole charade is that Pelosi refused to send the Articles of Impeachment over to McConnell where the republicans don't want to allow a fair trial with witnesses and just want to let a guilty defendant (Trump) go. Trump wants a speedy trial with his false acquittal so that he can have his bullshit talking about this somehow being a "witch hunt" and how he was "innocent all along" when in fact he is guilty. On the same token, the majority of the American people both republican and democrat want a fair trial with witnesses.

Pelosi has zero incentive to send the Articles of Impeachment over and the longer she holds up the Articles of Impeachment, the longer Trump can't have his talking points of how he was "exonerated" and it was all just a "witch hunt." And possibly, the American people will demand a fair trial with witnesses and pressure could build on McConnell.

But Pelosi has ZERO incentive to send them over and there is no pressure on her to send them to the Senate. Especially, when the Senate wants a quick show trial without witnesses to give Trump a false acquittal when in fact he should be convicted. By not sending those impeachment articles over now, it helps democrats and not republicans.

While I also agree the necessity of a fair trial (and my guess that Trump's conviction being a probable outcome), talking like the persecutor and repeatedly claiming that the accused "should be convicted" reduces the credibility of the "fair trial" statement. It almost sounds like "only a conviction is a fair trial to me".

[Rancid]

He's too busy looking out for himself and not giving a damn about anything or anybody but himself

Apparently, this is exactly what his supports want from him as they constantly defend this behavior.

[late]

O'Donnell had Prof Tribe on last nite talking about this.

I don't usually post videos, but this one is worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1knh9mYcNU

[Patrickov]

Apparently, this is exactly what his supporters want from him as they constantly defend this behavior.

And possibly, these people we are talking about also possess self-absorbing personalities.

[BigSteve]

What I love about this whole charade is that Pelosi refused to send the Articles of Impeachment over to McConnell where the republicans don't want to allow a fair trial with witnesses and just want to let a guilty defendant (Trump) go. Trump wants a speedy trial with his false acquittal so that he can have his bullshit talking point about this somehow being a "witch hunt" and how he was "innocent all along" when in fact he is guilty. On the same token, the majority of the American people both republican and democrat want a fair trial with witnesses.

The American people are sick and tired of the left's bullshit tactics. The American people also wanted fair impeachment hearings, but Schiff saw to it that wouldn't happen.

Fuck the left.

Pelosi has zero incentive to send the Articles of Impeachment over and the longer she holds up the Articles of Impeachment, the longer Trump can't have his talking points of how he was "exonerated" and it was all just a "witch hunt." And possibly, the American people will demand a fair trial with witnesses and pressure could build on McConnell.

But Pelosi has ZERO incentive to send them over and there is no pressure on her to send them to the Senate. Especially, when the Senate wants a quick show trial without witnesses to give Trump a false acquittal when in fact he should be convicted. By not sending those impeachment articles over now, it helps democrats and not republicans.

Nonsense.

The democrats are fucked six ways to Sunday.

If Pelosi sends the articles of impeachment to the Senate, she knows it will end poorly for the democrats. Their grand plan will have failed. They tried their best to remove the President from office and they proved to only be monumental failures at something they spent three years and untold millions on.

By not sending them over, she's demonstrating that, while democrats insisted on the impeachment hearings being conducted by their rules, they have no interest in allowing the Republicans to conduct the trial by their rules. Pelosi is proving that she's nothing more than a hypocritical bitch who's coming to grips with the fact that the world of the left is slowly, yet ever so surely, crumbling around her.

She's proving McConnell's comments true: "The prosecution's getting cold feet."

Pelosi knows that her party has failed, and she knows they have failed in epic fashion.

In the long run, by not sending them to the Senate, they will assume the responsibility for Trump remaining in office...

[late]

By not sending them over, she's demonstrating that, while democrats insisted on the impeachment hearings being conducted by their rules, they have no interest in allowing the Republicans to conduct the trial by their rules.

The Founding Fathers wanted the Senate to work with the House. That means compromise, which is not something McConnell wants to do. What makes the situation even dicier is McConnell's history of not playing by the rules.

This was written by a Republican who had worked in Congress for years:


“The GOP, Lofgren argued in the aftermath of the debt-ceiling debacle, increasingly resembled “an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe” in which “a disciplined minority of totalitarians can use the instruments of democratic government to undermine democracy itself.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/the-party-is-over-how-republicans-went-crazy-democrats-became-useless-and-the-middle-class-got-shafted-by-mike-lofgren/2012/09/14/92e5d004-f386-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_story.html

[Rancid]

Bigsteve fails to see that his party is just as disgusting as the democrats.

[Patrickov]

Bigsteve fails to see that his party is just as disgusting as the democrats.

This itself is not a problem. The problem (if someone thinks so that is) is that the said party is currently in power.

[BigSteve]

Bigsteve fails to see that his party is just as disgusting as the democrats.

And you refuse to see that I do not have a party.

Let's discuss gay marriage or prayer in school. After we have those conversations you can tell me if you still think I'm a Republican...

[BigSteve]

The Founding Fathers wanted the Senate to work with the House. That means compromise, which is not something McConnell wants to do. What makes the situation even dicier is McConnell's history of not playing by the rules.

I know you'll be too afraid to address this, but there wasn't any compromise coming from Schiff and his band of marry idiots, either. He played his hand as he saw fit. Now the Republicans will do as they see fit. That's known as "fairness", which is probably why it's an alien concept to you.

McConnell doesn't have to compromise, nor should he considering how Schiff ran the impeachment hearings...

[Patrickov]

I know you'll be too afraid to address this, but there wasn't any compromise coming from Schiff and his band of marry idiots, either. He played his hand as he saw fit. Now the Republicans will do as they see fit. That's known as "fairness", ...

Both sides trying to exercise their (temporary) privileges as far as they see fit, with complete disregard of their opponents' perception as well as the possible repercussions if power switches hands, is definitely not fairness.

[late]

I know you'll be too afraid to address this, but there wasn't any compromise coming from Schiff and his band of marry idiots, either. He played his hand as he saw fit. Now the Republicans will do as they see fit. That's known as "fairness", which is probably why it's an alien concept to you.

McConnell doesn't have to compromise, nor should he considering how Schiff ran the impeachment hearings...

Fairness is not Republicans getting everything they want.

It's also not letting Republicans disrupt an impeachment hearing with junior high school antics and Russian propaganda...

But it's nice to see you admit the obvious, for a change. No, McConnell doesn't have to compromise as he once again tries to turn the Constitution into toilet paper.

You really have no idea how this all is supposed to work, you simply repeat the propaganda du jour.

[BigSteve]

Both sides trying to exercise their (temporary) privileges as far as they see fit, with complete disregard of their opponents' perception as well as the possible repercussions if power switches hands, is definitely not fairness.

Actually, it's the very definition of fairness.

The democrats want to dictate how the Senate trial will be conducted.

Fuck them.