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Considering the lamentable state the Democrats are in, the coronavirus is now our only hope for getting rid of Trump. Even if the pandemic were to abate during the summer, it's bound to be back by November to instill fear in the people since its bound to became endemic.

Still no health insurance for millions of Americans, Trump having cut health budgets and even the CDC budget, the belated response to the epidemic by the Trump administration, the economic downturn ... all of this condemns Trump to certain failure.

There is no way he can win with the virus ravaging the country. A couple of weeks ago, one of his top economic advisers, was it Kudlow?, said that the virus would damage China and benefit the US. That's how fast things can change. :excited:

The Democrats need to focus on presenting better methods for fighting the epidemic and providing health care. That's the winning ticket. So far, they don't seem to understand that. What a bunch of maroons. I think I should run for president. I'll promise a change to the imperial presidency :D

White House fears coronavirus could shape Trump's 2020 fortunes

You’re kind of dealing with a government that doesn’t care about government, and then overlay your normal bumbling incompetence onto the possibility of a global pandemic,” Sen. Brian Schatz of Hawaii said on MSNBC this week. “To the extent that we’ve been fortunate with this disease, it’s because of the epidemiology of the disease, not because of some sort of coordinated response.”
#15068999
Don't give in to desperation.

The CDC has been supported by Democrats a lot more than Republicans. Obama repaired the damage Bush did to the CDC. So we have a solid record to run on.

If the disease is still a problem close to the election, we can also point out all the missed opportunities to fight it, and we don't have to limit ourselves to this disease, there is an infinite supply of incompetence to run against.

You'd have to be batshit crazy to vote Putin/Trump.
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late wrote:You'd have to be batshit crazy to vote Putin/Trump.


What does that say about Americans?

there is an infinite supply of incompetence to run against.


Maybe from your point of view, but Trump's voters see it differently. He can't do anything wrong in their eyes.

That'll change when the epidemic hits their neighborhood and when the economy starts to fail.
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Atlantis wrote:Maybe from your point of view, but Trump's voters see it differently. He can't do anything wrong in their eyes.


I'm not his voter as I'm from Europe, but I supported him during last presidential elections. I would support him again if Bernie Sanders ran against him. But not at all cost. You're mistaken if you think his supporters are some zombies blindly following their leader. I'm very well aware of his faults and him being danger to democracy. But if democrats want to replace him, they need to be prepared to make a compromise too. So far it doesn't seem to be the case.
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late wrote:Don't give in to desperation.

The CDC has been supported by Democrats a lot more than Republicans. Obama repaired the damage Bush did to the CDC. So we have a solid record to run on.

If the disease is still a problem close to the election, we can also point out all the missed opportunities to fight it, and we don't have to limit ourselves to this disease, there is an infinite supply of incompetence to run against.

You'd have to be batshit crazy to vote Putin/Trump.


You have to be ''batshit crazy'' to lump in Putin with Trump, since President Trump;

1. Slapped Russia with 52 different sanctions since he's been in office; https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... on-russia/

2.Regularly tries to anger and intimidate Russia with war exercises near her frontiers;
https://sputniknews.com/military/202002 ... to-europe/

3. Directly ordered Anti-Russian activities by the US Intelligence community in Eastern Europe;
https://tass.com/politics/1122867

It is fucking insane to hold to the stupid and dangerous ''Trumputin'' narrative.



You'd also have to be a very special kind of cosmic level evil to wish the Coronavirus epidemic upon a population in order to change their Presidential election voting patterns. Such people who engage in such thinking are beneath contempt and are a danger to themselves and to others.
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annatar1914 wrote:

You'd also have to be a very special kind of cosmic level evil to wish the Coronavirus epidemic upon a population in order to change their Presidential election voting patterns. Such people who engage in such thinking are beneath contempt and are a danger to themselves and to others.



Not what I did.

However, it would display the incompetence in a way even the Trump Cult couldn't avoid.

The thing Putin hated most was Hillary and the State Dept. One of the first things Trump did was to rip the guts out of the State Dept.

As Trump has consolidated power, you are seeing fewer initiatives intended to constrain Russia.

Even worse, we have backed away from NATO in such stark terms that a NEXIT is a distinct possibility.

Trump broke our laws ending sanctions on one of Putin's favorite Russians.

Russian meddling has been tolerated, not just in politics, but also in business in such a way it would get Putin powerful political leverage. That's the opposite of restraining Russia.

And yes, that is batshit crazy.

That's off the top of my head, there's more.
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If there were an outbreak in the US before the election, I think it would help Trump get elected.

Basically, it will allow Trump to continue campaigning for America to become more insular (anti-immigration, anti-minorities, etc.). This is inline with the shit he's been saying anyway. He will point to the virus as more reason he's right. People will eat it up and vote for him.
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Rancid wrote:If there were an outbreak in the US before the election, I think it would help Trump get elected.

Basically, it will allow Trump to continue campaigning for America to become more insular (anti-immigration, anti-minorities, etc.). This is inline with the shit he's been saying anyway. He will point to the virus as more reason he's right. People will eat it up and vote for him.



if there were an outbreak before the elections there wont be elections
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Zionist Nationalist wrote:if there were an outbreak before the elections there wont be elections


Maybe, but I'm not so sure of that. According to China 80% of cases are mild. This thing is fatal for older folks and people with pre-existing conditions. The election could still happen.

Further, even after the outbreak is over and elections happen. I figure it would help him.
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Rancid wrote:Maybe, but I'm not so sure of that. According to China 80% of cases are mild. This thing is fatal for older folks and people with pre-existing conditions. The election could still happen.

Further, even after the outbreak is over and elections happen. I figure it would help him.


The real problem is when hospitals will be overwhelmed people with any kind of diseases wont be able to recieve care
and the ones who sick and will have complications (this disease does have complications even in younger people) they will have higher chances of dying
also never trust numbers from the CCP the situation in China and especially Wuhan is alot worse than what they are showing this virus is highly contagious.
I dont think elections could be held if an outbreak begins if it will it will be very irresponsible
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Atlantis wrote:How do you compromise democracy?

I say no compromise, no compromise with the fascists. Appeasement doesn't work.


Trump is not a fascist. You won't convince people by just calling him that. Republicans want democracy too, but not under a socialist/communist.

annatar1914 wrote:You have to be ''batshit crazy'' to lump in Putin with Trump, since President Trump;


Dissolution of NATO and undermining of US democracy are Putin's goals.
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Rancid wrote:This is besides my point though. My point being, whenever elections happen (postponed or not), this virus would help Trump.


I think it would help Bernie or Warren more than Trump. Or democrats in general. How can an outbreak help Trump? Trump is not rooting for medicare for all etc. While people will be spending enourmous amount of money on healthcare at that point.
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JohnRawls wrote:

I think it would help Bernie or Warren more than Trump. Or democrats in general. How can an outbreak help Trump? Trump is not rooting for medicare for all etc. While people will be spending enourmous amount of money on healthcare at that point.



Republicans never seem to know what to do with the CDC.

If the poop hits the fan, whatever mistakes have been made will become painfully clear. And you can guarantee he's made at least a few.
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JohnRawls wrote:
I think it would help Bernie or Warren more than Trump. Or democrats in general. How can an outbreak help Trump? Trump is not rooting for medicare for all etc. While people will be spending enourmous amount of money on healthcare at that point.


Maybe, but my hypothesis that it would help Trump is that trump will use the virus as a way to stoke up more xenophobic rhetoric.

This virus came from dirty foreigners
Build the wall to prevent viruses from shithole countries from coming to America.
Limit immigration to prevent viruses from shithole countries from coming to America.
etc
etc

I think his baser would eat that shit up.
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fokker wrote:Dissolution of NATO and undermining of US democracy are Putin's goals.


False. There was a time when Putin wanted to have Russia join NATO, but NATO is clearly designed to be more than an Anti-Soviet ''defensive alliance'', it is actually an Anti-Russian offensive alliance inching closer and closer to Russia's frontiers contrary to the statements of previous Western leaders that that would never happen.

Putin has no interest in America except hoping it doesn't collapse like the Soviet Union did, he doesn't like chaos at all. What he wants is a sane American leadership that is pragmatic and willing to work with other countries instead of trying to be world hegemon. America btw, was never a ''Democracy'' historically, but a Republic, and a rather illiberal one at that thank God.
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Not what I did.


Yeah it is, own it. You're so unhinged by Donald Trump and the Clinton narrative that you're willing to see a misfortune come to your own country in order to see Trump gone, if that's the price to pay. Lot of traitors get started down on that road. And there's not much of anything lower than a traitor.

However,it would display the incompetence in a way even the Trump Cult couldn't avoid.


And maybe it'll kill off a lot of those pesky ''Deplorables'' too, right?

The thing Putin hated most was Hillary and the State Dept.


:lol:

You must be joking.



One of the first things Trump did was to rip the guts out of the State Dept.


Really? How did he do that exactly?

As Trump has consolidated power, you are seeing fewer initiatives intended to constrain Russia.


I've given you proof multiple times that that is exactly the very opposite of the truth.

Even worse, we have backed away from NATO in such stark terms that a NEXIT is a distinct possibility.


Now I know you must be joking, because Trump is talking about Poland being such a wonderful addition to the NATO alliance, along with Hungary, the Baltic States, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians and Romanians... You really have no clue, or this is deliberate mendacity.

Trump broke our laws ending sanctions on one of Putin's favorite Russians.


Bullshit. Proof?

Russian meddling has been tolerated, not just in politics, but also in business in such a way it would get Putin powerful political leverage. That's the opposite of restraining Russia.


More bullshit. Again, I've shown evidence before to you of the exact opposite, but of course it goes against your fairytale version of reality, so...

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