[Drlee]

I love the fact that @Julian658 believes there is something to be learned from Sweden. He seems to think that their reckless behavior should tell us something. It does. It tells us that abject idiots are a worldwide phenomena. Estimates are that by mid April as many as 1 million Swedes may be infected by CV. That should lead to about 50K deaths more or less. Here is what Swedes are telling their incompetent government.

But others have insisted the government must act faster and go further to prevent scenes from Italy and Spain - where tens of thousands have died - being repeated.

Last week, a petition signed by 2,000 doctors, scientists, and professors was delivered to the government asking for more stringent measures to be put in place.

Among the signatories was Professor Carl-Henrik Heldin, chairman of the Nobel Foundation.

Meanwhile Cecilia Söderberg-Nauclér, a virus researcher from Sweden's Karolinska Institute, echoed their fears.

Speaking to The Guardian, she said: 'We’re not testing enough, we’re not tracking, we’re not isolating enough – we have let the virus loose.

'They are leading us to catastrophe.'

[Julian658]

You did not discuss how Sweden is dealing with the virus. You talked about how you think they are doing. Whether or not what you think is actually true is still unresolved.

You should quote the relevant text, and then discuss how this reflects on Trump if you want to actually discuss the actual topic.

I do not intend this to be an insult, but you sound identical to POD.

[Julian658]

I love the fact that @Julian658 believes there is something to be learned from Sweden. He seems to think that their reckless behavior should tell us something. It does. It tells us that abject idiots are a worldwide phenomena. Estimates are that by mid April as many as 1 million Swedes may be infected by CV. That should lead to about 50K deaths more or less. Here is what Swedes are telling their incompetent government.

That is a massive straw-man. I never said that Sweden has taken the best approach. I simply stated they are dealing with the virus in a different manner. It is not my intention to argue the Swedes are right or wrong.

[Julian658]

I do not intend this to be an insult, but you sound like the old POD.

[Drlee]

That is a massive straw-man. I never said that Sweden has taken the best approach. I simply stated they are dealing with the virus in a different manner. It is not my intention to argue the Swedes are right or wrong.

Then why did you label Sweden as a "left leaning" nation and mention them at all? Or was THAT a "massive straw-man"?

Don't weasel. We all know what you said and you got your ass handed to you for it.

[Pants-of-dog]

I do not intend this to be an insult, but you sound identical to POD.

Thanks!

Do you have a point about Sweden?

[fokker]

And we could stop this disease in its tracks with strict social distancing.

By closing kindergarten, schools, universities, many shops and shopping malls, closing borders, restricting travel to work/buy food, have people wear cloth face masks, work from home, keep sufficient distance to other people some eastern EU countries were able to reduce R to about 1.2. They expected to get below 1 and nip it in the bud before it explodes but it proved to be very difficult. There are minimum number of deaths (about 1%), but the economy cannot work like that for long. R continues to fall slowly but not fast enough before restrictions need to be lessened. It would also take lot of time for the already infected to get cured. It appears the strategy will be changed to let the infection spread but at lower rate than in western countries with hope that a vaccine will be produced soon.

Americans tend to be less disciplined and take danger more lightly (the we're the best approach, it can't happen to us). I strongly doubt measures I named above could be introduced in the US in time.

[Julian658]

Then why did you label Sweden as a "left leaning" nation and mention them at all? Or was THAT a "massive straw-man"?

Don't weasel. We all know what you said and you got your ass handed to you for it.

Calm down. The last thing I want to do is weasel out of any discussion. I just looked at the Corona Worldometer.

Covid 19 cases per million

Norway 991
Denmark 649
Sweden 605

It means nothing till the epidemic is over. But those are the numbers today at 16:30. I am not trying to imply Swedes know best, do not straw man again.

[Julian658]

Thanks!

Do you have a point about Sweden?

POD, i think it is unusual they have taken a different approach. What do you think? Don't worry, i am not trying to trick you.

[Pants-of-dog]

POD, i think it is unusual they have taken a different approach. What do you think? Don't worry, i am not trying to trick you.

Since you have not provided any evidence of what they are actually doing, I can not comment intelligently.

Also, this thread is not about how Stefan Löfven is sabotaging his country’s response to the Coronavirus.

[foxdemon]

I love the fact that @Julian658 believes there is something to be learned from Sweden. He seems to think that their reckless behavior should tell us something. It does. It tells us that abject idiots are a worldwide phenomena. Estimates are that by mid April as many as 1 million Swedes may be infected by CV. That should lead to about 50K deaths more or less. Here is what Swedes are telling their incompetent government.

It seems to me that the point @Julian658 was making about Sweden was that it’s approach would be a reasonable example of what Bernie would have done. This was in response to @Pants-of-dog asserting that Bernie would have had better policy than Trump.

Given the DNC’s open boarder progressivism and the hug someone from Wuhan because they are a person and not a virus, etc, and Bernie’s obsession with Scandinavian socialism, it does seem reasonable to suppose his policies would have been comparable to Sweden’s approach and the outcome would be similar.

On another point, you are right to say that Trump’s policy failures are not unique. Plenty of other governments around the world have dropped the ball also. So, in answer to the thread’s thesis that Trump sabotaged America’s response, the question must be posed as to why should Trump be singled out for criticism when it is clear most governments have failed and an alternative US administration would be likely no different.

[Julian658]

Since you have not provided any evidence of what they are actually doing, I can not comment intelligently.

POD, you have a degree in STEM, I am not supposed to spoon feed you information that is widely available. Use google and tell us what do you think of the approach Sweden is taking.

[SpecialOlympian]

On another point, you are right to say that Trump’s policy failures are not unique. Plenty of other governments around the world have dropped the ball also. So, in answer to the thread’s thesis that Trump sabotaged America’s response, the question must be posed as to why should Trump be singled out for criticism when it is clear most governments have failed and an alternative US administration would be likely no different.

It's because he's a fuckup moron who ignored it for months because he tied the performance of his administration to the Dow Jones, hope that helps.

[Pants-of-dog]

It seems to me that the point @Julian658 was making about Sweden was that it’s approach would be a reasonable example of what Bernie would have done. This was in response to @Pants-of-dog asserting that Bernie would have had better policy than Trump.

Given the DNC’s open boarder progressivism and the hug someone from Wuhan because they are a person and not a virus, etc, and Bernie’s obsession with Scandinavian socialism, it does seem reasonable to suppose his policies would have been comparable to Sweden’s approach and the outcome would be similar.

This does not seem like a logical comparison of Sanders and Sweden. It seems more like a negative generalisation about social democrats based on assumptions that conservatives have about them.

On another point, you are right to say that Trump’s policy failures are not unique. Plenty of other governments around the world have dropped the ball also. So, in answer to the thread’s thesis that Trump sabotaged America’s response, the question must be posed as to why should Trump be singled out for criticism when it is clear most governments have failed and an alternative US administration would be likely no different.

I do not think most developed countries have failed to the level that the USA has.

And the policies championed by Sanders are better for a viral outbreak. For example, public healthcare would make testing and treatment free for the patient. This would then get rid of the financial incentive to not get tested and treated. This would make it easier to track and treat the virus.

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@Julian658

No. I am not here to do your work for you.

[Rancid]

So, in answer to the thread’s thesis that Trump sabotaged America’s response, the question must be posed as to why should Trump be singled out for criticism when it is clear most governments have failed and an alternative US administration would be likely no different.

It's mainly because for a supposedly rich country, the US should be the best or nearly the best at everything. When it is not, then it gets extra criticism. I think that's what it is at its core.

[Istanbuller]

"No" option is driven by Trump hatred. People say "no" just because Trump doesn't like China. If he loved China, then haters would gonna hate China.

Trump is a wise man. He can make people say anything he wants. It is even easier for him to control the opposition. This is why he keeps winning.

[Stormsmith]

It's mainly because for a supposedly rich country, the US should be the best or nearly the best at everything. When it is not, then it gets extra criticism. I think that's what it is at its core.

I think what's at the core is the abysmal way he's handled this entire affair.

[SpecialOlympian]

It's mainly because for a supposedly rich country, the US should be the best or nearly the best at everything. When it is not, then it gets extra criticism. I think that's what it is at its core.

Listen fucko, people can choose to go to the hospital and go bankrupt because they have no insurance or a $15,000 deductible they can never afford. That's FREEDOM, something that doesn't exist in your loser shithole country.

Besides Medicare for all is too expensive. You can't just will money into existence unless it's $2 trillion for the market. Socialism is for the rich.

[Julian658]

It's mainly because for a supposedly rich country, the US should be the best or nearly the best at everything. When it is not, then it gets extra criticism. I think that's what it is at its core.

A pandemic like this can overwhelm the health care system of any country. The lefties would like to believe national health care would do better, however, this is not the case. Europe as a whole is doing worse than America and they have national health care.

Secondly, lefties love it when America struggles. They favor any other country over America. Nationalism is not in the DNA of the left.

[Julian658]

I think what's at the core is the abysmal way he's handled this entire affair.

Trump handled this as well (or as bad) as all European leaders.