[ingliz]

It's structurally no different from...

“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you.”

— Gavin McInnes, Gavin McInnes Show June 2016

[Sivad]

“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you.”

— Gavin McInnes, Gavin McInnes Show June 2016

I'm sure that's not taken out of context or anything... That statement was probably preceded by a conditional, like if you try to gulag us, we will kill you. There are plenty of things that if someone or some group did or tried to do to me I would hunt them down and fucking kill them. That doesn't make me a violent fascist, it's just makes me a reasonable person who draws the line at malicious assholes causing egregious harm to myself or others. If you don't have people willing to do extreme violence to assholes that cross the line then you don't have civilization, without that to keep the assholes in check the world would just be total bedlam.

[ingliz]

context

The quote is taken from episode 171, The Gavin McInnes Show, 28 June 2016.

He is commenting on a 'speech' he gave at the Manhattan Republican Club* which included his own costumed reenactment of the 1960 assassination of Inejiro Asanuma, the head of the Japanese Socialist Party. He played the part of Otoya Yamaguchi, the young Japanese ultranationalist who killed the party leader with a sword during a live television broadcast.

* After the speech a group of 14 Proud Boys attacked a small group of 3 protesting outside the venue. One of the rioting Proud Boys fractured a woman's spine. Asked why he did it? He said, "She was a fucking foreigner."

[Sivad]

The quote is taken from episode 171, The Gavin McInnes Show, 28 June 2016.

He is commenting on a 'speech' he gave at the Manhattan Republican Club* which included his own costumed reenactment of the 1960 assassination of Inejiro Asanuma, the head of the Japanese Socialist Party. He played the part of Otoya Yamaguchi, the young Japanese ultranationalist who killed the party leader with a sword during a live television broadcast.

* After the speech a group of 14 Proud Boys attacked a small group of 3 protesting outside the venue. One of the rioting Proud Boys fractured a woman's spine. Asked why he did it? He said, "She was a fucking foreigner".

I'm pretty sure you just made all that up because here's what actually happened:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... pd-738092/

[ingliz]

I'm pretty sure you just made all that up

Correction.

The 'Cider Riot' riot...

Joey Gibson, the leader of the West Coast Proud Boys’ companion group, Patriot Prayer, was charged with a felony for inciting a riot in which a woman patron of a Portland cidery sustained a fractured vertebrae.

The 'Manhattan Republican Club' riot...

McInnes’ talk kicked off an evening marred by violence. After his remarks ended, Proud Boys streamed onto the street and, just blocks from the original venue, violently beat three protesters. One bragged that he had kicked his victim “right in the fucking head.” “He was a fucking foreigner,” he said. Then he and another Proud Boy congratulated each other with a brotherly embrace.

[Sivad]

1960 assassination of Inejiro Asanuma

I guess it's bad or whatever that he was assassinated but when you go around menacing society with maoism threatening to gulag everybody don't act all surprised when someone takes your threats seriously and runs you through with a samurai sword.

[Sivad]

Correction.

The 'Cider Riot' riot...

Joey Gibson, the leader of the West Coast Proud Boys’ companion group, Patriot Prayer, was charged with a felony for inciting a riot in which a woman patron of a Portland cidery sustained a fractured vertebrae.

So not the Proud Boys at all then? It was the Patriot Prayer group that's being accused of starting a riot and we don't even know how the woman was injured? So then you're just confused and wrong about everything here, aren't ya?

The 'Manhattan Republican Club' riot...

McInnes’ talk kicked off an evening marred by violence. After his remarks ended, Proud Boys streamed onto the street and, just blocks from the original venue, violently beat three protesters. One bragged that he had kicked his victim “right in the fucking head.” “He was a fucking foreigner,” he said. Then he and another Proud Boy congratulated each other with a brotherly embrace.

Well that's not even close to what happened according to the video, the cops, and the three articles I read but carry on with your retarded pofoing, I'm sure that in your genius mind you're really owning the fascists in this thread.

[ingliz]

So not the Proud Boys at all then? It was the Patriot Prayer group

Don't be silly.

It's all very incestuous with these arseholes so it's a churn - It's the same people doing the same shit and flitting back and forth within groups.

Note: "the West Coast Proud Boys’ companion group, Patriot Prayer"

[blackjack21]

“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you.”

— Gavin McInnes, Gavin McInnes Show June 2016

He's better at yanking your chain than Donald Trump, apparently.

No offense, Nazis, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but I don't like you. I like Jews.

[ingliz]

I like Jews.

Strange then he published a now-deleted video in 2017. An anti-Semitic rant, in which he defended Holocaust deniers and perpetuated racist stereotypes, called "10 things I hate about the Jews." In the video an apparently drunk McInnes, wearing an undershirt, stumbles down a Tel Aviv street ranting about Israel. In addition to comments about such issues as Hebrew “spit-talk,” which is “like Gaza — you're launching little tiny missiles from your mouth onto your shirt,” he complains about the Jews’ “whiny paranoid fear of Nazis.” Number nine on his list is that Israelis don’t support US President Donald Trump, saying that they are “scared of Christians and Trump who are their biggest allies.”

McInnes also appears upset by Jews’ ostensible lack of gratitude to Americans after the Holocaust.

“Sorry we didn’t do it in time, but we still saved you,” he says. “It’s like a black guy going, ‘Yeah, white people did slavery’… well they didn’t start it but they did end it… so maybe be a little more positive about it?”

In a follow-up video recorded in the airport upon returning to Canada, McInness says that he was shocked to find that his views had been retweeted by the likes of Duke and Spencer.

“I landed, and I’ve got tons of Nazi friends. David Duke and all the Nazis totally think I rock,” he says to the camera.

[Tainari88]

Poverty is a similarity, but it doesn't lead to a universal political outlook.


Read Shoshana Zuboff's "Surveillance Capitalism." It doesn't matter if the Mexican government has their shit together. The telcos do, and they provide your info to governments among many others. Why do you think smart TVs are so cheap? Your TV is watching you.

What are they going to do with that information? That is the truth. What do they plan to do with it? Alienate more people? Drive them to suicide because the only measure of success is consumerism and material accumulation? They better help find a way of making life meaningful for the vast majority of humans BJ. Because replacing them with robots and computer automation without giving them educations, freedom, human camaraderie, and great relationships with other humans built on mutual respect, trust and friendship and fellowship is going to create a depressed, disconnected, boring, and alienated society where selfish shit is the center of it all. And that is a society that is going to fail and have to be changed.


I just hired a gal from India this week. I'm used to people who are not of my skin color or gender. Get beyond assuming that everyone who doesn't agree with your political outlook somehow hates everyone based on race, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Your political adversaries find it tiresome.

I go by what you write BJ. You write things that are all the negatives. Because you are a nationalist. You said you don't care. Did you change your mind now? You care about my island and Black people and so on? You somehow reversed your stance? Answer the question? Because if you cared? You would write differently. I go by what you write here. That is all I can do to judge you on. Writing. What is tiresome for me is your lack of empathy or caring for people who are not from your background. That is not only tiresome it is bad for society. Anti-social.

Hence, political diversity, not a single political-economic system that is supposed to come into existence and span the entire globe to solve the world's problems.

How can that be when capitalists and capitalism and its supporters keep using violence, coercion and force and threats and interference on all the societies trying to pursue other models in peace? They are the ones wanting to force their hegemonic shit on the world. If they weren't feeling so threatened they would not be invading half the world, imposing their shit and using death and mayhem and destruction to do it either BJ. But they do. Because they can't allow the other people to try something different.


They have the same problem as socialists--they think there is only one solution.

What is international capitalism and globalism if it is not sameness and got to be for profit and about profit or we will destroy you? It is this system. And people like you don't want to understand that you nation is not the top priority for them. It never will be. It is making money and they need international exploitation to do so. You fail to deal with that effectively because you only care about your nation. Fuck the rest of the world. Got to dump that mentality BJ. It won't work to deal with the neoliberals and the power they control internationally. But why even get you to think about it? You believe in that shit. I never did


"You people", ergo more than just you. The media is working on behalf of the Democratic party on a political smear which failed them in 2016, which they somehow think they can regurgitate to positive political effect. Trump already denounced white supremacists and neo-Nazis multiple times. The Proud Boys are not white supremacists or neo-Nazis. They are Western chauvinists, and not that well known.

Trump is a walking smear campaign. He sucks and so do his supporters.

A taste of their bullshit thoughts:

I would not be associated with these awful people and that awful piece of shit president.

[blackjack21]

Strange then he published a now-deleted video in 2017. An anti-Semitic rant, in which he defended Holocaust deniers and perpetuated racist stereotypes, called "10 things I hate about the Jews." In the video an apparently drunk McInnes, wearing an undershirt, stumbles down a Tel Aviv street ranting about Israel.

I understand you are obsessed with McInnes and the Proud Boys. You seem to have an almost encyclopedic knowledge of all the things McInnes has said. Why do you think the rest of us should be as obsessed as you are? So McInnes gets drunk and says outlandish things. So what? We have elected members of Congress like Ilhan Omar that engage in anti-Semitic tropes. We have elected members of Congress like Maxine Waters that encourage violence. It's when people engage in criminal behavior that it becomes an issue. That's why people are more concerned about Antifa. You probably don't have freedom of thought in Malta, but we do here. In America, you are free to be a communist, Nazi, white supremacist, black supremacist, sexist, racist or whatever. You are just not allowed to violate someone else's rights to that end. I don't know much about McInnes or the Proud Boys either other than what I can Google in response to you. They seem like a bunch of jackwagons, but for all practical purposes are far and away less harmful than Antifa. What's good about them is that they get into fights with Antifa.

And that is a society that is going to fail and have to be changed.

Well, I"m pretty sure Google, Facebook, Twitter and the like are really only pushing for more commerce and globalists political views. They aren't too interested in Erich Fromm socialist ideas.

Because you are a nationalist. You said you don't care. Did you change your mind now?

I'm not motivated by antipathy to people who are unlike me. However, I'm not motivated to get a pat on the head from the globalists either for adopting their paranoid anti-white diversity and inclusion rhetoric.

You care about my island and Black people and so on?

I think Puerto Rico should be independent, not a state of the United States.

You somehow reversed your stance?

I was instrumental in getting a black woman hired a few months back, as part of diversity and inclusion. Was I ever about oppressing someone on the basis of race? No. It's that I do not accept either political correctness or socialism that makes you assume something entirely to the contrary.

What is tiresome for me is your lack of empathy or caring for people who are not from your background.

I don't even care for most people who are from my background. Humans can only know about 4000 people. We have limited capacity. I'm just honest about it. I don't think virtue signaling is virtuous. How do you feel about the guy who lives two doors down from me? You don't even know he exists. How can you honestly say you care about him when you can't even honestly say if he exists or not?

How can that be when capitalists and capitalism and its supporters keep using violence, coercion and force and threats and interference on all the societies trying to pursue other models in peace? They are the ones wanting to force their hegemonic shit on the world.

As if the Cold War didn't happen? As if Islam, the Roman Empire, the French and British Empires, the Ottoman Empire, etc. never existed? Humans are territorial animals, and they compete.

I would not be associated with these awful people and that awful piece of shit president.

You're associated with a political movement known for mass murder and theft, which you side step with endless semantics. Everyone can play at that game.

[Sivad]

Note: "the West Coast Proud Boys’ companion group, Patriot Prayer"

No, I saw your retarded attempt at linking the two groups. But just typing that retarded bullshit into a combox and clicking submit doesn't make it factual, it's still just some retarded bullshit that you made up on pofo.

[Tainari88]

If people don't have a set of ethics they live by and sound humane value systems this is the future of this society. I have an interest in making sure that this type of society doesn't destroy what is meaningful about the Human Experience BJ.

It is not about 'knowing' half the world. It is about realizing how connected we all are by virtue of being part of a natural order and respecting that natural order enough to treat each other with the three essentials to life as a human that is developed completely. Love, Respect and Being a GIVER, not someone taking and taking and not giving a damn. That is what is the force of destruction. It is easy to destroy something. Trying to heal it or protect it is the hard part. Got to make a choice about that @blackjack21 . Otherwise what the Netflix series is talking about is true. This is what all that lying and manipulation in order to control and sell and profit will lead to:

[Igor Antunov]

Too late their popularity and membership numbers spiked after that debate.

Proud boys are proud of Trump boy.

[blackjack21]

If people don't have a set of ethics they live by and sound humane value systems this is the future of this society.

If people have an ethical system that differs in some way from yours, it doesn't imply they have no ethics.

It is about realizing how connected we all are by virtue of being part of a natural order and respecting that natural order enough to treat each other with the three essentials to life as a human that is developed completely. Love, Respect and Being a GIVER, not someone taking and taking and not giving a damn.

The very concept of a natural order that virtually everyone belonged to didn't even arise until global empires arose. The irony of your position is that it is a product of imperialism, or perhaps a byproduct of imperialism. Anthropology as a study was promoted by the imperial system, because they wanted to know as much about the world they intended to rule over. That's principally what diversity and inclusion is all about--it's about diversity and inclusion of different peoples, but very definitely NOT diversity and inclusion of different ideological positions.

[KurtFF8]

So? If you haven't noticed, we have had six straight months of left wing riots, looting, vandalism, arson, sedition, subversion, etc.

This is false.

The Proud Boys have a right to self defense, just like everyone else. With Democrat politicians refusing to uphold the law, all that can really be asked of people is not to initiate violence.

If you go to a demonstration to fight people, you can't claim self defense.

At least try harder with your troll comments.

[Black Consequense]

This is false.

You're right it was 5.

If you go to a demonstration to fight people, you can't claim self defense.

I mean if BLM go harass people eating dinner or destroying Black businesses, neither can they claim victimization.

[Igor Antunov]

If you go to a demonstration to fight people, you can't claim self defense.

They go to demonstrations to guard businesses and their owners. So the defensive angle is there from the outset. Their existence is based on defending. They don't start fights they end them. That's their whole shtick.

[ingliz]

it's still just some retarded bullshit that you made up on pofo.

"There is a lot of member overlap with Proud Boys. There are a lot of people who used to be with Joey Gibson who are now with Proud Boys, and I think vice versa."

— Vegas Tenold, an investigative researcher for the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism