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maz wrote:He seemed to have been going there looking for trouble or at best, to be able to get photos in order to make the Patriot Muster look bad so they could write their white supremacist conspiracy theory news stories.

Oh, it is undoubtedly coordinated, just as the FBI was already on scene in Charlottesville. The whole white supremacist thing is as bizarre as their Russia collusion theory.

maz wrote:At best, you could say that they, as a pro-Antifa, far left sympathizing media outlet, went to the rally with the intention to make right wing patriot types look bad and to be able to create sensational, Charlottesville-styled news content.

I think this is precisely what happened.

maz wrote:This looks so bad that I am surprised that the FBI has gone down there to cover things up.

It doesn't surprise me at all. They've managed to keep Sonofnewo from making any videos since Charlottesville. Wray isn't any better than Comey. Trump needs to stop listening to his son in law and get some people in there who are really outsiders.

maz wrote:Michelle Malkin is collecting a lot of video and photographic evidence on Twitter and is bringing a lot of information that other news outlets are intentionally omitting.

Yes, this is among the reasons that independent journalists have become more reliable and credible than large news organizations.

I think the Democrats are terrified of losing the black vote, and they are using every bit of institutional power that they have to try to keep blacks scared of conservatives by continuing with this ridiculous white supremacy narrative.
#15127927
@blackjack21

@maz

"a canister of Mace and two guns had been recovered at the scene."

TDS has turned your brains to mush. If you turn up to a volatile, potentially violent, protest armed or not expect to be a casualty. A very unlucky casualty, weighing up the odds, but you are playing with your life.

And, on weighing up the odds, why bother carrying in the first place? Carrying only shortens the price on you ending up in a bad place. When you're wearing a silly MAGA hat or a BLM t-shirt, a pistol in your waistband doesn't make you invulnerable. It only makes you stupid. Aggressors/mutual combatants get no privileged immunity. If you have to use the weapon, it will be nigh on impossible to claim you were acting in self-defense and have it stand up in court. Even if you are not dead or seriously injured you will be looking at a hefty prison sentence.

As to the incident...

I see no innocents when both the living and the dead were carrying in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Reason for edits: Playing with the punctuation, adding a 'not', changing the 'odds, and dispensing with an 'it'. It's a slow day
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#15127984
This is a great forum now that our resident rightwing retards just openly talk about getting their news from the absolute shittiest, most made up sources and obvious rightwing grifters. The right is fucking pathetic.

Just lmfao SJW FBI agents in a vast coordinated conspiracy to make rightwingers look bad. The people who live in an a bubble of imagined persecution and violent fantasies filled with grifters ready to sell them tacticlol gear and shitty, overpriced food buckets. These people have been primed for violence for years and you don't need to look further than Alex Jones, who basically set the business model most grifters follow today. Instill fear, sell overpriced shit.

Calling it now: Blackjack will be full QAnon in 6 months. This is what happen when Boomers discover YouTube and start getting rightwing videos in their suggestions. Goodbye Blackjack, you were a racist piece of shit. Have fun isolating yourself from your family and friends. Don't try to keep your conspiracy life separate from your work life, be very loud and open about it at work. Be sure to tell everyone.

Oh and of course Mazi the nazi reads Michelle Malkin. Why wouldn't he, now that she's doing events with out and out white nationalist Nick Fuentes?
#15127993
SpecialOlympian wrote:Calling it now: Blackjack will be full QAnon in 6 months.

Why focus on thousands of people when we can focus on what might very well be underage pornography on Hunter Biden's hard drive?

SpecialOlympian wrote:This is what happen when Boomers discover YouTube and start getting rightwing videos in their suggestions

They've completely eliminated suggesting any rightwing content at YouTube. You have to identify the content yourself. That's why all content creators ask people to share the content, because YouTube broke the algorithm deliberately and now promotes the mainstream media--and getting away from the MSM was the entire point of YouTube.

SpecialOlympian wrote:Goodbye Blackjack, you were a racist piece of shit.

Where are you going?

SpecialOlympian wrote:Have fun isolating yourself from your family and friends.

Conservatives are a lot less afraid of covid than liberals. So our social lives aren't completely destroyed.

SpecialOlympian wrote:Why wouldn't he, now that she's doing events with out and out white nationalist Nick Fuentes?

He's afro latino. That's like calling Candace Owens a white supremacist. It's just absurd.
#15128015
Ah, the old, "But this non-white person I'm using as a prop agrees with me, so I can't be racist." Good one, guy who posts black murder porn, I definitely don't think you're a conspiracy addled loon arguing in bad faith.



Yes, this person who just whitewashed Hitler is definitely someone who is adopted by racists for her raw intellectual power. Now, let me tell you about the vast conspiracy to make rightwingers look like insane, violent racists. But first, here are a dozen videos where a guy speaks directly to the camera for three hours so that I can feel like I have a friend.
#15128027
Ingliz wrote:If you turn up to a volatile, potentially violent, protest armed expect to be a casualty.

Apparently, these "Patriot Muster" people weren't there to confront anyone. It was left wing groups that came with the media in tow to confront them. That wreaks of generating content and getting people killed just to get some ratings and push a narrative.

ckaihatsu wrote:The coronavirus can't survive tiki torches.

It can't survive Trump either. Biden sure seems scared of it.

SpecialOlympian wrote:Ah, the old, "But this non-white person I'm using as a prop agrees with me, so I can't be racist."

Well it seems there is suddenly a whole lot of non-white white supremacists. That's kind of an interesting phenomenon. Michelle Malkin isn't exactly white either.



SpecialOlympian wrote:Good one, guy who posts black murder porn,

I simply find it amusing that you cannot see that police officers sometimes have to defend themselves with deadly force when they are being attacked.

Here's a white guy who doesn't get killed after he stabs an officer in the neck, so it doesn't upset your sensibilities.



Can you see why police officers sometimes have to use deadly force?

SpecialOlympian wrote:I definitely don't think you're a conspiracy addled loon arguing in bad faith.

You are attributing to me beliefs I don't hold, and forecasting what you think I will believe in the future. That's an exemplary embodiment of your own bad faith. The first time I heard of QAnon, I heard it from you. It says to me that you are much more attuned to these so-called white supremacy groups or whatever they are than I am. Sure, they're weird, but there are lots of weird people in the world. You're pretty weird for example.

SpecialOlympian wrote:Yes, this person who just whitewashed Hitler is definitely someone who is adopted by racists for her raw intellectual power.

Nationalism isn't personified by Adolf Hitler. She's simply pushing back on the media narrative that nationalism = nazism, which is absurd.



Biden's losing a lot of black voters. He's going to lose. You're going to sob uncontrollably.
#15128057
ingliz wrote:Are you sure?

muster

verb

1. assemble (troops) in preparation for battle


:lol:


Oh my God, did you fake that definition? That's so fucking crazy. :lol:

The google definition is:

assemble (troops), especially for inspection or in preparation for battle.

You edited out "especially for inspection or" :lol:

Muster just means to assemble

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muster
#15128064
SpecialOlympian wrote:Those guys just want other men to judge how they're dressed for their make believe army LARP

I'm not so sure looking at all those exclamation marks...

It’s time to Roll! NO MORE SILENT MAJORITY. It’s time we let these communist socialists know we have had enough! Fight back, push back. Time to take OUR country back!

— John “Tig” Tiegen, an El Paso County resident and supporter of President Donald Trump, organiser of the “Patriot Muster" in Denver


:lol:
#15128081
ckaihatsu wrote:
The coronavirus can't survive tiki torches.



blackjack21 wrote:
It can't survive Trump either. Biden sure seems scared of it.



Let me break that down for you:

'Tiki torches' refers to *fascists*, as at Charlottesville, which you conservatives tend to *defend* with your news-reporting.

If the right-wing is less mask-wearing it's because they (symbolically) always have more tiki torches around them, meaning that they're closer to the fascists.


SpecialOlympian wrote:
Ah, the old, "But this non-white person I'm using as a prop agrees with me, so I can't be racist."



blackjack21 wrote:
Well it seems there is suddenly a whole lot of non-white white supremacists. That's kind of an interesting phenomenon. Michelle Malkin isn't exactly white either.



Ever heard of 'false consciousness'?

The *mechanics* of it is that people of generally-oppressed social minority groups, as by race or ethnicity, or gender, may buy into the whole bullshit natural-social-hierarchy bullshit that the right-wing dishes out, and then they parrot the right-wing line and subjugate themselves to the right-wing social hierarchy. See, not magic at all.
#15128094
ingliz wrote:Are you sure?

Yes.

Merriam Webster wrote:muster noun
mus·​ter | \ ˈmə-stər \
Definition of muster (Entry 1 of 2)
1: a representative specimen (see SPECIMEN sense 1) : SAMPLE
musters of goods for sale
2a: an act of assembling
specifically : formal military inspection
Call out the troops to stand muster.
b: critical examination
slipshod work that would never pass muster
c: an assembled group : COLLECTION
a muster of biographical facts
— Time
d: INVENTORY
were sent … to take the musters of this expedition
— G. R. Elton
muster verb
mustered; mustering\ ˈmə-​st(ə-​)riŋ \
Definition of muster (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb

1a: to cause to gather : CONVENE
b: to enroll formally —usually used with in or into
was mustered into the army
c: to call the roll of
2a: to bring together : COLLECT
b: to call forth : ROUSE
3: to amount to : COMPRISE
intransitive verb

: to come together : CONGREGATE



ckaihatsu wrote:'Tiki torches' refers to *fascists*, as at Charlottesville, which you conservatives tend to *defend* with your news-reporting.

Fascists have the right to peaceably assemble in the United States, just as the communists do. Antifa thinks that they have the right to violently attack fascists. If you read a detailed history of the NSDAP SA, they became a force specifically to defend against attacks by anti-fascist groups; more specifically, communists who were attacking Nazi rallies. I am not a fan of Nazis, but they aren't coming after me. It seems they are coming after you. I'm not inclined to fight your battles for you.

ckaihatsu wrote:If the right-wing is less mask-wearing it's because they (symbolically) always have more tiki torches around them, meaning that they're closer to the fascists.

Wow! How artful. You should consider becoming a poet.

ckaihatsu wrote:Ever heard of 'false consciousness'?

The *mechanics* of it is that people of generally-oppressed social minority groups, as by race or ethnicity, or gender, may buy into the whole bullshit natural-social-hierarchy bullshit that the right-wing dishes out, and then they parrot the right-wing line and subjugate themselves to the right-wing social hierarchy. See, not magic at all.

Uh huh. And if they are oppressed by a right wing group called The Democrat Party, and so many blacks will sign up to having their jobs outsourced to China and relegated to the welfare roles and political subservience, and those with jobs having their wages stagnate from illegal immigration, but then some of them get "woke" to what's going on and start criticizing what they believe to be their oppressor, the Democrat party, what do you call that?

It's always a semantic game with commies.
#15128100
ckaihatsu wrote:
'Tiki torches' refers to *fascists*, as at Charlottesville, which you conservatives tend to *defend* with your news-reporting.



blackjack21 wrote:
Fascists have the right to peaceably assemble in the United States, just as the communists do. Antifa thinks that they have the right to violently attack fascists. If you read a detailed history of the NSDAP SA, they became a force specifically to defend against attacks by anti-fascist groups; more specifically, communists who were attacking Nazi rallies. I am not a fan of Nazis, but they aren't coming after me. It seems they are coming after you. I'm not inclined to fight your battles for you.



Why are you just making bullshit up?

You *suck* at fearmongering -- try mongering something else.

And, like all status-quo defenders, you equate far-left and far-right, when there's *nothing* comparable about those opposing positions. By ignoring the respective *politics* / political content, you're ignoring that fascists are *pro*-capitalist while far-leftists are *anti*-capitalist.


Ideologies & Operations -- Left Centrifugalism

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ckaihatsu wrote:
If the right-wing is less mask-wearing it's because they (symbolically) always have more tiki torches around them, meaning that they're closer to the fascists.



blackjack21 wrote:
Wow! How artful. You should consider becoming a poet.



You should consider fighting the Nazis because they all want to violently attack and victimize social minorities, and have done it historically. Remember the Holocaust?


FBI Director Christopher Wray Says A Majority of Domestic Terrorism Cases are Motivated by White Supremacist Violence

https://www.newsweek.com/domestic-terro ... or-1450748


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ckaihatsu wrote:
Ever heard of 'false consciousness'?

The *mechanics* of it is that people of generally-oppressed social minority groups, as by race or ethnicity, or gender, may buy into the whole bullshit natural-social-hierarchy bullshit that the right-wing dishes out, and then they parrot the right-wing line and subjugate themselves to the right-wing social hierarchy. See, not magic at all.



blackjack21 wrote:
Uh huh. And if they are oppressed by a right wing group called The Democrat Party, and so many blacks will sign up to having their jobs outsourced to China and relegated to the welfare roles and political subservience, and those with jobs having their wages stagnate from illegal immigration, but then some of them get "woke" to what's going on and start criticizing what they believe to be their oppressor, the Democrat party, what do you call that?



I call that the capitalist market for labor.



From the end of the Civil War in 1865, American capitalism's rise to power had been based on its industrial prowess. American methods of production had proven to be the most efficient and the most profitable in the world.

That was no longer the case. Thus the essence of the Volcker measures was to put in place a new regime of accumulation based on the expansion of finance capital.

The road to this new mode of accumulation was by no means smooth. The recession of 1981-82 was followed by a slow recovery, and while the stock market started to rise from 1982 onwards, it crashed in October 1987. The decade finished with a crisis of the savings and loans banks, requiring a bailout of between $150 and $200 billion, and the onset of another recession.

The liquidation of the Soviet Union in 1991-92 and the decision by the Chinese Stalinist regime to open the way for the integration of the Chinese economy, and above all the multi-millioned Chinese working class, into the circuit of global capital, marked a major turning point. It was these events that made possible a mode of accumulation based on finance capital.

The opening up of China, with labour costs one thirtieth of those in the US and other major capitalist countries, provided the basis for an expansion in the mass of surplus value extracted by capital from the working class. In a recent speech hailing the virtues of globalisation, European Commissioner Peter Mandelson noted that a Chinese manufacturing firm producing an iPod receives only $4 for a device that retails for $290 in the US.

Mandelson was pointing to a process in which surplus value extracted in China is then distributed to other sections of capital in the form of license fees, rents on shopping centres, and interest to banks and financial institutions.

This relationship with China formed a kind of virtuous economic circle. Cheap manufactured goods kept down the rate of inflation, allowing the Fed to lower interest rates in the US without worrying about inflation.

Cheaper credit fueled various asset bubbles—the share market bubble, the dot.com bubble and the housing bubble—that financed the debt, while helping to sustain US consumption levels in the absence of real wage increases. At the same time, Chinese authorities invested their trade surpluses in US financial assets, in order to keep down the value of the yuan against the dollar and ensure the maintenance of export markets. This also helped keep US interest rates low and sustain the supply of cheap credit, which, in turn, sustained the asset bubbles.

In 1982 the profits of finance companies amounted to 5 percent of total corporate profits after tax. By 2007 their share had risen to 41 percent. This transformation—the financialisation of the American economy—has had vast implications for the process of capital accumulation and the growth of debt in the US economy.

In previous periods, debt was incurred by industry in order to finance its expansion. But with the growing importance of the finance sector, debt has been increasingly incurred to finance further financial activity.

The buying and selling of securities based on assets became the new road to wealth accumulation. In 1995 the dollar value of asset-backed securities stood at $108 billion. By the year 2000, at the height of the share market bubble, it was $1.07 trillion. It reached $1.1 trillion in 2005 and $1.23 trillion in 2006. In other words, in the space of a decade, the value of these securities had increased ten-fold.

In other words, the financialisation of the economy, that is, the appropriation of surplus value rather than its extraction in the production process, became the other key factor in the explosive growth of derivatives.



https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/12/nbe4-d23.html



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blackjack21 wrote:
It's always a semantic game with commies.



No, we're not slicing at dictionaries here -- politics describes *real world* socio-political dynamics.
#15128111
blackjack21 wrote:these "Patriot Muster" people weren't there to confront anyone

The day before the rally, the organiser John "Tig" Tiegen was interviewed on The Steffan Tubbs Show on 710 KNUS, a Denver radio station. When asked if he was afraid the 'muster' would likely turn violent, he said, "I’m going to be prepared to do violence."

What do you think "I'm going to be prepared to do violence" means?


:lol:
#15128137
SpecialOlympian wrote:Oh and of course Mazi the nazi reads Michelle Malkin. Why wouldn't he, now that she's doing events with out and out white nationalist Nick Fuentes?


Michelle Malkin is collecting the best information on her Twitter account. What source would you suggest if I wanted to get the best information on the 9News Denver execution of a Trump supporter?

I don't really care for her articles because I don't think she's that good of a writer. She has become more of a truth-teller though since she's been excommunicated from the mainstream for hanging out with the likes of Nick Fuentes.

NEW denvershooting THREAD

So @KDVR posted unredacted version of affidavit/application for arrest warrant that names "Black Guns Matter" agitator who menaced Patriot Muster attendees Saturday & provoked confrontation w/ #LeeKeltner that led to his murder==> Jeremiah Elliott./1/Zack Newman
#15128139
maz wrote:Michelle Malkin is collecting the best information on her Twitter account. What source would you suggest if I wanted to get the best information on the 9News Denver execution of a Trump supporter?


Nothing. I would tell you to shut the fuck up and stop being a nazi trying to spread 4chan nazi propaganda. Collecting the best turds to add to the turd pile doesn't change the fact that your goal is to build a giant pile of turds.

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